Jumping Cruiser Posted August 18, 2023 #276 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, twangster said: For two years we have been warned of the imploding economy in the US except it didn't happen. Not yet at least. Perhaps the cruise market won't implode in China just as it hasn't (yet) in the US. MSC definitely seems to think Asia is performing well. They have recently announced that they’re adding a 2nd ship in the region from 2024. They’ve got Belissima in Baoshan Wusongkou Cruise Terminal, Shanghai and Splendida in Shenzen/Taiwan depending on season. Edited August 18, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 18, 2023 #277 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) Le Havre, France - Port Bookings (Correct as of 18/08/23) An additional call added for Independence OTS in late September. 10th May 2025 - Independence OTS 14th July 2025 - Independence OTS 23rd September 2025 - Independence OTS. *NEW* 10th October 2025 - Independence OTS Edited August 18, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 18, 2023 #278 Share Posted August 18, 2023 St Maarten, Caribbean - Port Schedule (Correct as of 18/08/23) Several additional bookings made throughout the season for Icon. See updated list below: May 2025: 1st May - Vision OTS 1st May - Wonder OTS 5th May - Symphony OTS 5th May - Liberty OTS 6th May - Icon OTS 7th May - Oasis OTS 14th May - Wonder OTS 20th May - Icon OTS. *NEW* 27th May - Rhapsody OTS 28th May - Wonder OTS June 2025: 2nd June - Liberty OTS 3rd June - Icon OTS 4th June - Oasis OTS 11th June - Rhapsody OTS 12th June - Wonder OTS 18th June - Rhapsody OTS 25th June - Rhapsody OTS 26th June - Wonder OTS 30th June - Liberty OTS July 2025: 1st July - Icon OTS. *NEW* 3rd July - Oasis OTS 9th July - Rhapsody OTS 15th July - Icon OTS 16th July - Rhapsody OTS 23rd July - Rhapsody OTS 28th July - Liberty OTS 30th July - Oasis OTS August 2025: 5th August - Icon OTS. *NEW* 6th August - Rhapsody OTS 7th August - Harmony OTS 13th August - Rhapsody OTS 20th August - Rhapsody OTS 25th August - Liberty OTS 26th August - Icon OTS 27th August - Oasis OTS 28th August - Harmony OTS September 2025: 3rd September - Rhapsody OTS 6th September - Jewel OTS 10th September - Rhapsody OTS 16th September - Icon OTS. *NEW* 17th September - Rhapsody OTS 18th September - Harmony OTS 24th September - Oasis OTS October 2025: 1st October - Rhapsody OTS 7th October - Icon OTS 8th October - Rhapsody OTS 9th October - Harmony OTS 15th October - Rhapsody OTS 22nd October - Oasis OTS 28th October - Icon OTS. *NEW* 29th October - Rhapsody OTS 30th October - Harmony OTS November 2025: 9th November - Odyssey OTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mac_tlc Posted August 18, 2023 #279 Share Posted August 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jumping Cruiser said: St Maarten, Caribbean - Port Schedule (Correct as of 18/08/23) Several additional bookings made throughout the season for Icon. See updated list below: May 2025: 1st May - Vision OTS 1st May - Wonder OTS 5th May - Symphony OTS 5th May - Liberty OTS 6th May - Icon OTS 7th May - Oasis OTS 14th May - Wonder OTS 20th May - Icon OTS. *NEW* 27th May - Rhapsody OTS 28th May - Wonder OTS June 2025: 2nd June - Liberty OTS 3rd June - Icon OTS 4th June - Oasis OTS 11th June - Rhapsody OTS 12th June - Wonder OTS 18th June - Rhapsody OTS 25th June - Rhapsody OTS 26th June - Wonder OTS 30th June - Liberty OTS July 2025: 1st July - Icon OTS. *NEW* 3rd July - Oasis OTS 9th July - Rhapsody OTS 15th July - Icon OTS 16th July - Rhapsody OTS 23rd July - Rhapsody OTS 28th July - Liberty OTS 30th July - Oasis OTS August 2025: 5th August - Icon OTS. *NEW* 6th August - Rhapsody OTS 7th August - Harmony OTS 13th August - Rhapsody OTS 20th August - Rhapsody OTS 25th August - Liberty OTS 26th August - Icon OTS 27th August - Oasis OTS 28th August - Harmony OTS September 2025: 3rd September - Rhapsody OTS 6th September - Jewel OTS 10th September - Rhapsody OTS 16th September - Icon OTS. *NEW* 17th September - Rhapsody OTS 18th September - Harmony OTS 24th September - Oasis OTS October 2025: 1st October - Rhapsody OTS 7th October - Icon OTS 8th October - Rhapsody OTS 9th October - Harmony OTS 15th October - Rhapsody OTS 22nd October - Oasis OTS 28th October - Icon OTS. *NEW* 29th October - Rhapsody OTS 30th October - Harmony OTS November 2025: 9th November - Odyssey OTS Thanks again for your hard work. I’m trying to figure out what O-class ship may be coming to Bayonne in summer 2025. Assuming that Allure heads to Europe for its check-up, and assuming that the above schedule is actual ships and not placeholders, the only possibility would be Symphony —— heading north around May 8th or so. Unless they would consider doing longer summer itineraries on Oasis , but I really doubt that. I love trying to put the puzzle pieces together. mac_tlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springaussie Posted August 18, 2023 #280 Share Posted August 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Chiliburn said: So I presume Spectrum would be going back to Singapore in that scenario. I personally don’t think Royal will be successful in Shanghai,the economy is imploding. Chilli my view is Singapore is the “As Required Port” for Spectrum for the middle of 2024. I am certain the Deployment Team has a list of cruises somewhere in the Miami Office as a plan B for Spectrum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza55 Posted August 18, 2023 #281 Share Posted August 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Jumping Cruiser said: Le Havre, France - Port Bookings (Correct as of 18/08/23) An additional call added for Independence OTS in late September. 10th May 2025 - Independence OTS 14th July 2025 - Independence OTS 23rd September 2025 - Independence OTS. *NEW* 10th October 2025 - Independence OTS So this looks like it could be based in Southampton? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted August 18, 2023 #282 Share Posted August 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, springaussie said: Chilli my view is Singapore is the “As Required Port” for Spectrum for the middle of 2024. I am certain the Deployment Team has a list of cruises somewhere in the Miami Office as a plan B for Spectrum. It would be interesting to know how Spectrum is selling in Shanghai. If it does do well ,it’s strange they would replace it with an older westernised ship like Quantum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polition67 Posted August 18, 2023 #283 Share Posted August 18, 2023 46 minutes ago, Jumping Cruiser said: St Maarten, Caribbean - Port Schedule (Correct as of 18/08/23) Several additional bookings made throughout the season for Icon. See updated list below: May 2025: 1st May - Vision OTS 1st May - Wonder OTS 5th May - Symphony OTS 5th May - Liberty OTS 6th May - Icon OTS 7th May - Oasis OTS 14th May - Wonder OTS 20th May - Icon OTS. *NEW* 27th May - Rhapsody OTS 28th May - Wonder OTS June 2025: 2nd June - Liberty OTS 3rd June - Icon OTS 4th June - Oasis OTS 11th June - Rhapsody OTS 12th June - Wonder OTS 18th June - Rhapsody OTS 25th June - Rhapsody OTS 26th June - Wonder OTS 30th June - Liberty OTS July 2025: 1st July - Icon OTS. *NEW* 3rd July - Oasis OTS 9th July - Rhapsody OTS 15th July - Icon OTS 16th July - Rhapsody OTS 23rd July - Rhapsody OTS 28th July - Liberty OTS 30th July - Oasis OTS August 2025: 5th August - Icon OTS. *NEW* 6th August - Rhapsody OTS 7th August - Harmony OTS 13th August - Rhapsody OTS 20th August - Rhapsody OTS 25th August - Liberty OTS 26th August - Icon OTS 27th August - Oasis OTS 28th August - Harmony OTS September 2025: 3rd September - Rhapsody OTS 6th September - Jewel OTS 10th September - Rhapsody OTS 16th September - Icon OTS. *NEW* 17th September - Rhapsody OTS 18th September - Harmony OTS 24th September - Oasis OTS October 2025: 1st October - Rhapsody OTS 7th October - Icon OTS 8th October - Rhapsody OTS 9th October - Harmony OTS 15th October - Rhapsody OTS 22nd October - Oasis OTS 28th October - Icon OTS. *NEW* 29th October - Rhapsody OTS 30th October - Harmony OTS November 2025: 9th November - Odyssey OTS Wonder seems to fall off in June, where do we things she’s heading 🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted August 18, 2023 #284 Share Posted August 18, 2023 52 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: It would be interesting to know how Spectrum is selling in Shanghai. If it does do well ,it’s strange they would replace it with an older westernised ship like Quantum. Quantum used to be in China. The cashiers box in the high rollers casino, a.k.a DL is still there. Signage still bilingual. Even the pool deck restaurant was not fully westernized, just a different offering. That's easy enough to change. If any ship can be repurposed for China, Quantum can be done over a weekend if not quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted August 18, 2023 #285 Share Posted August 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, twangster said: Quantum used to be in China. The cashiers box in the high rollers casino, a.k.a DL is still there. Signage still bilingual. Even the pool deck restaurant was not fully westernized, just a different offering. That's easy enough to change. If any ship can be repurposed for China, Quantum can be done over a weekend if not quicker. I thought wonder or Utopia would up the ante IF china does take off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntnewt Posted August 19, 2023 #286 Share Posted August 19, 2023 6 hours ago, mac_tlc said: Thanks again for your hard work. I’m trying to figure out what O-class ship may be coming to Bayonne in summer 2025. Assuming that Allure heads to Europe for its check-up, and assuming that the above schedule is actual ships and not placeholders, the only possibility would be Symphony —— heading north around May 8th or so. Unless they would consider doing longer summer itineraries on Oasis , but I really doubt that. I love trying to put the puzzle pieces together. mac_tlc With that, the question then becomes, what O class will be based in Galveston? I do not imagine an O class (will be Harmony in April 2025) doing cruises to St. Maarten from Galveston. This makes me wonder if Galveston will get Wonder, Utopia, or maybe Icon 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted August 19, 2023 #287 Share Posted August 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Jumping Cruiser said: MSC definitely seems to think Asia is performing well. They have recently announced that they’re adding a 2nd ship in the region from 2024. They’ve got Belissima in Baoshan Wusongkou Cruise Terminal, Shanghai and Splendida in Shenzen/Taiwan depending on season. MSC (and others) also thought and think Northern Europe is performing great but Royal decided differently… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cublet Posted August 19, 2023 #288 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Saab4444 said: MSC (and others) also thought and think Northern Europe is performing great but Royal decided differently… Hello, Looking at 2025 prices, I think that MSC thinks (hopes) Northern Europe is performing something greater than 'great'. Regards, Cublet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted August 19, 2023 #289 Share Posted August 19, 2023 10 hours ago, Dazza55 said: So this looks like it could be based in Southampton? Unfortunately yes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #290 Share Posted August 19, 2023 12 hours ago, mac_tlc said: Thanks again for your hard work. I’m trying to figure out what O-class ship may be coming to Bayonne in summer 2025. Assuming that Allure heads to Europe for its check-up, and assuming that the above schedule is actual ships and not placeholders, the only possibility would be Symphony —— heading north around May 8th or so. Unless they would consider doing longer summer itineraries on Oasis , but I really doubt that. There are 2 possibilities, either Symphony or Utopia, providing that the above aren’t just placeholders. The first thing to consider is does Utopia have retractable funnels? Then, with the amount of marketing that Royal have put into Utopia being the ‘Worlds Biggest Weekend’, I would doubt that she would do this for just one year, especially as profit margins will be higher for short sailings. My gut call is that it will be Symphony again for the 2025 Summer season in NJ. 5 hours ago, huntnewt said: With that, the question then becomes, what O class will be based in Galveston? I do not imagine an O class (will be Harmony in April 2025) doing cruises to St. Maarten from Galveston. This makes me wonder if Galveston will get Wonder, Utopia, or maybe Icon 2? I also doubt that Harmony would travel this far from Galveston, especially as Oasis Class from Galveston has some of the lowest pp prices in the fleet, it just doesn’t seem viable to me. I think it’s important to remember that Harmony was the original placeholder for Icon, could this be the case for Icon 2, especially since bookings don’t appear until August 2025? But would they really have Icon and Icon 2 sailing to the same Caribbean ports? As you can see, there are many many questions but hopefully the picture will become clearer as more ports release their bookings for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #291 Share Posted August 19, 2023 11 hours ago, twangster said: Quantum used to be in China. The cashiers box in the high rollers casino, a.k.a DL is still there. Signage still bilingual. Even the pool deck restaurant was not fully westernized, just a different offering. That's easy enough to change. If any ship can be repurposed for China, Quantum can be done over a weekend if not quicker. This was my thinking too! Quantum was the ship home-ported in Asia before Spectrum came on the scene and as a result is already adapted for this market in many different ways. It would make sense for her to do a direct swap with Anthem, when she takes over Australia and Alaska in 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cublet Posted August 19, 2023 #292 Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 hours ago, little britain said: Unfortunately yes Hello, They could still surprise us all by basing it in Harwich. Regards, Cublet PS: But I'm not holding my breath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #293 Share Posted August 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Polition67 said: Wonder seems to fall off in June, where do we things she’s heading 🧐 Potentially just have not completed bookings yet, similar to Icon which has just added some more dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #294 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, cublet said: Hello, They could still surprise us all by basing it in Harwich. Regards, Cublet PS: But I'm not holding my breath. As far as I know, no major cruise lines sail from Harwich anymore, Dover would probably be more likely if anything. But I would probably say there was more chance of them giving everyone on this forum a free cruise on Icon from Southampton, as stupid as that sounds. 😂 I think myself and @little britain would collapse if that actually happened, they would have to carry me on in a stretcher! 😂 Edited August 19, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza55 Posted August 19, 2023 #295 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, cublet said: Hello, They could still surprise us all by basing it in Harwich. Regards, Cublet PS: But I'm not holding my breath. Would be nice if Royal did surprise the uk and brought a ship in that know one expected. But it certainly doesn’t look like it so far😂. Not sure if Indy on her own would be enough to keep everyone happy? Indy and one other ship maybe??That might work??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseboy89130 Posted August 19, 2023 #296 Share Posted August 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, Dazza55 said: Indy and one other ship maybe?? No way! Royal is abandoning the British market - they don't want to compete there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza55 Posted August 19, 2023 #297 Share Posted August 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, cruiseboy89130 said: No way! Royal is abandoning the British market - they don't want to compete there anymore. You might be right?? Would be incredibly disappointing.😞. But would not be surprised. I think once 2025 deployment is released that will give us our answer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #298 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dazza55 said: Indy and one other ship maybe? Only evidence of Independence at the minute, no sign of a second ship for Southampton. 😢 Edited August 19, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cublet Posted August 19, 2023 #299 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Hello, I can't remember how long ago but we had the Independence and a Voyager class ship out of Southampton for a season or two. Regards, Cublet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted August 19, 2023 #300 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, cublet said: I can't remember how long ago but we had the Independence and a Voyager class ship out of Southampton for a season or two. This is the deployment from Southampton since 2010. Every year that Independence was homeported in UK after 2012 she was accompanied by another ship, usually Voyager Class. 2010 - Independence 2011 - Independence 2012 - Independence 2013 - Independence & Adventure 2014 - Independence & Adventure 2015 - Anthem & Explorer 2016 - Independence & Navigator 2017 - Independence & Navigator 2018 - Independence & Navigator 2019 - Independence & Explorer 2020 - Anthem (Covid - No Sailings) 2021 - Anthem 2022 - Anthem 2023 - Anthem 2024 - Anthem Edited August 19, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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