LEAVE YOUR CBD HOME ....

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, d9704011 said:

I believe the power strip with surge suppression was brought up as an example of something 'not bring with you' that the cruise line has clearly told passengers.

Guess I missed that left turn….thanks

Edited November 30, 2023 by jimbo5544

[aborgman]

On 11/27/2023 at 12:24 PM, sanger727 said:

 

Carnival can't let you on with any illegal substances because they are then facilitating you importing drugs into a foreign country.

 

Yet Carnival will let you bring camouflage clothing (illegal to bring into a number of countries), and your vape pen (illegal to bring into Mexico)...

 

Carnival allowing you to have a vape pen when you pull into a Mexican port IS the exact same sort of facilitation as allowing THC on the boat going into ports where it is illegal.

 

 

 

 

[aborgman]

On 11/27/2023 at 8:09 PM, alex_gregor said:

The only post in this thread with the word "rehab" in it is the quoted post of yours.

The only posts in this thread with the word "intoxicating" are 3 posts of yours.

 

 

On 11/22/2023 at 6:27 AM, LouChamp said:

Aloha. I am very tolerant and respectful of everyone and their opinions and my opinion is that this issue is no different than alcoholism and if you need to take it on a cruise and can’t do without it you should seek professional help.

 

Using CBD is like alcoholism (is alcohol intoxicating?) and people who try to take it on a cruise should seek professional help (rehab?).

 

 

 

[BlerkOne]

31 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

Yet Carnival will let you bring camouflage clothing (illegal to bring into a number of countries), and your vape pen (illegal to bring into Mexico)...

 

Carnival allowing you to have a vape pen when you pull into a Mexican port IS the exact same sort of facilitation as allowing THC on the boat going into ports where it is illegal.

 

 

 

 

So? Carnival's cruise line; Carnival's rules.

 

But...

 

It is not illegal to bring camouflage clothing into many countries, but you might have a problem if you wear it. It is not Carnival's job to stay current on all laws and customs in foreign ports.

 

If the dog hits on the vape pen, guess what?

[BlerkOne]

29 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

 

Using CBD is like alcoholism (is alcohol intoxicating?) and people who try to take it on a cruise should seek professional help (rehab?).

 

 

 

Alcohol is still off topic.

[aborgman]

51 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

So? Carnival's cruise line; Carnival's rules.

 

But...

 

It is not illegal to bring camouflage clothing into many countries, but you might have a problem if you wear it. It is not Carnival's job to stay current on all laws and customs in foreign ports.

 

If the dog hits on the vape pen, guess what?

 

A constant talking point about the CBD has been "Carnival can't allow it because you're in a foreign country when in port, and it is illegal in that foreign country ". If that is true, the same thing applies to a vape pen.

 

If the dog hits on the vape pen, guess what? Nothing. Carnival will let you bring your tobacco vape (illegal in Mexico) onboard, on your cruise to a Mexican port.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, aborgman said:

 

A constant talking point about the CBD has been "Carnival can't allow it because you're in a foreign country when in port, and it is illegal in that foreign country ". If that is true, the same thing applies to a vape pen.

 

Not by me and no, it doesn't. Are Vape Pens on the Not Allowed list? No.

 

If the dog hits on the vape pen, guess what? Nothing. Carnival will let you bring your tobacco vape (illegal in Mexico) onboard, on your cruise to a Mexican port.

 

Vape pens - not just for tobacco. Why would a dog hit on tobacco? But guess what? Unlike CPD, Vape pens are not banned by Carnival.

 

[aborgman]

20 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Not by me and no, it doesn't. Are Vape Pens on the Not Allowed list? No.

 

 

Sure... Just lots of other people, including Carnival.

 

 

On 11/16/2023 at 6:30 PM, Incognito1 said:

Not legal in the countries they travel to, and there are plenty of warnings.

 

On 11/16/2023 at 10:48 PM, ProgRockCruiser said:

 

CBD is not allowed because (Carnival says) it is banned in one or more potential ports of call, 

 

On 11/27/2023 at 12:24 PM, sanger727 said:

 

The problem is that they don't even need to take it off. when they pull into port, they are in that country. Drugs on the ship have now been brought into the country. 

 

Carnival can't let you on with any illegal substances because they are then facilitating you importing drugs into a foreign country. 

 

On 11/27/2023 at 4:16 PM, Buffettfan 225 said:

From Carnival “Any illegal narcotics/drugs including synthetic, designer drugs, Cannabidiol (CBD) and medical marijuana. While certain CBD products used for medicinal purposes may be legal in the US, they are not legal in all the ports we visit and therefore are also considered prohibited items.”

 

 

[jimbo5544]

Their ships, their rules, end of discussion, easy peasy. The rest ia all just fodder.  Do not like it, go sail elsewhere.

[BlerkOne]

17 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Their ships, their rules, end of discussion, easy peasy. The rest ia all just fodder.  Do not like it, go sail elsewhere.

A lot of people don't sail on Carnival but still post here. How bizarre.

[alex_gregor]

3 hours ago, aborgman said:

 

 

Using CBD is like alcoholism (is alcohol intoxicating?) and people who try to take it on a cruise should seek professional help (rehab?).

 

 

 

The analogy with alcoholism appears to be referencing the potential for addiction. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. It's quite disrespectful.

 

Seeking professional help is not the same as going to rehab. People addicted to nicotine sometimes seek professional help to quit. If you would stop conflating ideas that are similar but not the same, you might have more productive conversations.

 

Look, I think we all understand your position. You're a pothead who is BigMad that you are not allowed to partake on a cruise ship. Bummer, dude.

Edited December 1, 2023 by alex_gregor

[aborgman]

11 hours ago, alex_gregor said:

The analogy with alcoholism appears to be referencing the potential for addiction. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. It's quite disrespectful.

 

Seeking professional help is not the same as going to rehab. People addicted to nicotine sometimes seek professional help to quit. If you would stop conflating ideas that are similar but not the same, you might have more productive conversations.

 

Look, I think we all understand your position. You're a pothead who is BigMad that you are not allowed to partake on a cruise ship. Bummer, dude.

 

1) CBD has no potential for addiction.

 

2) When smokers get professional help to quit smoking, that IS rehab.

 

3) I'm not a pothead. Don't use it, never have. I'm not a CBD user. Don't use it, never have. Don't care at all if Carnival bans it. Don't care if Carnival bans tobacco smoking (my preference would be a tobacco ban also).

 

 

...what I hate are illogical arguments full of logical fallacies and inconsistenties.

 

If you're banning it just because you can, then just say that. If it's because of IMLOS, just say that. Don't make up BS justifications. It's easy.

 

 

 

[sanger727]

15 hours ago, aborgman said:

 

Yet Carnival will let you bring camouflage clothing (illegal to bring into a number of countries), and your vape pen (illegal to bring into Mexico)...

 

Carnival allowing you to have a vape pen when you pull into a Mexican port IS the exact same sort of facilitation as allowing THC on the boat going into ports where it is illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

It's not illegal to bring vape pens into Mexico.

 

2023 Mexico Vape Travel: Rules, Regulations, Tips & More! - Mexico Travel Concierge

[aborgman]

4 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

 

It's not illegal to bring vape pens into Mexico.

 

2023 Mexico Vape Travel: Rules, Regulations, Tips & More! - Mexico Travel Concierge

 

Sorry - but that site is just completely wrong.

 

" Cigarettes have specific limits on how many you can safely bring with you without incurring a hefty fee, however electronic cigarettes and vapes are banned entirely."

https://caballerosvacations.com/travel-tips-tricks/mexico/a-detailed-guide-to-mexicos-smoking-vape-laws-in-2023/

"The Canadian government updated its Mexico advisory on Jan. 20...The advisory also notes that electronic or vaping devices and solutions are illegal in Mexico. People who are caught with these items may have them confiscated and may also be fined or detained."

https://www.stalbertgazette.com/beyond-local/mexico-advisory-smoking-ban-travel-2023-6442128

 

 

.... and how about the US State Department?

 

"Electronic Cigarettes (Vaping Devices): It is illegal for travelers to bring electronic cigarettes (vaping devices) and all vaping solutions to Mexico. Customs will confiscate vaping devices and solutions and travelers could be fined or arrested. Avoid delays and possible sanctions by not taking these items to Mexico."

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Mexico.html

 

[sanger727]

3 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

Sorry - but that site is just completely wrong.

 

" Cigarettes have specific limits on how many you can safely bring with you without incurring a hefty fee, however electronic cigarettes and vapes are banned entirely."

https://caballerosvacations.com/travel-tips-tricks/mexico/a-detailed-guide-to-mexicos-smoking-vape-laws-in-2023/

"The Canadian government updated its Mexico advisory on Jan. 20...The advisory also notes that electronic or vaping devices and solutions are illegal in Mexico. People who are caught with these items may have them confiscated and may also be fined or detained."

https://www.stalbertgazette.com/beyond-local/mexico-advisory-smoking-ban-travel-2023-6442128

 

 

.... and how about the US State Department?

 

"Electronic Cigarettes (Vaping Devices): It is illegal for travelers to bring electronic cigarettes (vaping devices) and all vaping solutions to Mexico. Customs will confiscate vaping devices and solutions and travelers could be fined or arrested. Avoid delays and possible sanctions by not taking these items to Mexico."

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Mexico.html

 

 

Then perhaps, they should ban bringing vapes onboard. That wouldn't bother me one bit. 

[aborgman]

5 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

 

Then perhaps, they should ban bringing vapes onboard. That wouldn't bother me one bit. 

 

I'd be fine with a complete ban on all smoking/vaping - but Carnival would never do it because money.

[mz-s]

6 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

I'd be fine with a complete ban on all smoking/vaping - but Carnival would never do it because money.

 

Right there with you but there's no use shouting into the void because as you said it'll never happen. I imagine a time 25 years from now - nobody smokes anywhere on the globe except in Carnival's casinos. They will be the last holdout on the planet.

[sparks1093]

1 hour ago, aborgman said:

 

1) CBD has no potential for addiction.

 

2) When smokers get professional help to quit smoking, that IS rehab.

 

3) I'm not a pothead. Don't use it, never have. I'm not a CBD user. Don't use it, never have. Don't care at all if Carnival bans it. Don't care if Carnival bans tobacco smoking (my preference would be a tobacco ban also).

 

 

...what I hate are illogical arguments full of logical fallacies and inconsistenties.

 

If you're banning it just because you can, then just say that. If it's because of IMLOS, just say that. Don't make up BS justifications. It's easy.

 

 

 

They don't need to say anything, really. As for people making illogical arguments as a possible reason, so what? It's irrelevant. The main reason for the ban out of a US port, as I understand it, is that the substance is banned by the US government. That other governments may or may not ban it is immaterial. 

[aborgman]

9 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

They don't need to say anything, really. As for people making illogical arguments as a possible reason, so what? It's irrelevant. The main reason for the ban out of a US port, as I understand it, is that the substance is banned by the US government. That other governments may or may not ban it is immaterial. 

 

"They don't need to say anything, really."

 

Correct - but when you do say something, you are responsible for the truth of your claims.

 

"As for people making illogical arguments as a possible reason, so what?"

It's an example of the exact same thing that makes people think Carnival's rules don't apply to them, and try to sneak things on, then argue about it. They have the same root cause - overall societal lack of logic.

Just like lottery/gambling are what they are because of a huge lack of understanding of probability and statistics in the general population.

 

" The main reason for the ban out of a US port, as I understand it, is that the substance is banned by the US government. "

CBD is 100% legal according to the US government. It is not banned.

[sparks1093]

1 minute ago, aborgman said:

 

"They don't need to say anything, really."

 

Correct - but when you do say something, you are responsible for the truth of your claims.

 

"As for people making illogical arguments as a possible reason, so what?"

It's an example of the exact same thing that makes people think Carnival's rules don't apply to them, and try to sneak things on, then argue about it. They have the same root cause - overall societal lack of logic.

Just like lottery/gambling are what they are because of a huge lack of understanding of probability and statistics in the general population.

 

" The main reason for the ban out of a US port, as I understand it, is that the substance is banned by the US government. "

CBD is 100% legal according to the US government. It is not banned.

Has Carnival said anything? I guess that's the key (I haven't been following the thread that closely nor do I care that much about the issue to do much research into it). If someone wants to think that Carnival's rules don't apply to them that is on them and they will be the ones to face any consequences. Hemp based CBD with less than a certain amount of THC is legal. Carnival may be imposing a ban on all of it to prevent any that isn't compliant from being brought aboard.

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, sparks1093 said:

Has Carnival said anything? I guess that's the key (I haven't been following the thread that closely nor do I care that much about the issue to do much research into it). If someone wants to think that Carnival's rules don't apply to them that is on them and they will be the ones to face any consequences. Hemp based CBD with less than a certain amount of THC is legal. Carnival may be imposing a ban on all of it to prevent any that isn't compliant from being brought aboard.

 

Yes - Carnival has specifically said they ban it because it is illegal in some ports.

[jimbo5544]

What is that song from the Disney movie Frozen……cannot remember.

[john91498]

Sneaking on gummies is no worse then sneaking on alcohol. It's a fun little game...

 

For decades, I did rum runners and was caught once. Carnival laughed at me and took the booze away, but let me cruise. Since we get DOU, I no longer need to sneak on booze.

 

Now, for about 6 or 7 years, I've been taking gummies and so far not been caught. Might rethink as it seems carnival is cracking down.

[ProgRockCruiser]

16 minutes ago, john91498 said:

Sneaking on gummies is no worse then sneaking on alcohol.

Except, for the umpteenth time, alcohol isn't illegal in the ports, but CBD is illegal in some ports.  It doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what the USG says about the legality of zero/low THC gummies.  What matters is the ports.

 

They don't want you bringing on alcohol because that impacts their revenue.

 

CBD impacts your ability to return to the ship after being arrested in a port, and may impact Carnival's ability to return to that port if deemed not enforcing enough.

[john91498]

I never drink or do gummies when I'm in port. Most ports are dangerous places if you're not careful.