Ohio couple Claims to Have Been "Held Hostage" on RCL Cruise

LOL , I live on the other side of Columbus . Just because they list their address as Hilliard they could have a Million dollar house in some places of that area. You just assume because its the west side the are poor scum of the earth ??? You list your address as Columbus I could assume you are from some the worst parts of C-Bus .

Chances are slim. I've dealt with many shootings, stabbings, and break ins in Hilliard. There's more bad than good going on over there. And even if they live in a million dollar home, they still don't have enough sense not to take a magazine on vacation.

What I don't understand is why RCI let them on the boat in the first place since it sounds like the comment was right after they finished explaining themselves to the Port Authority (I've read the linked material but I haven't watched or listened to anything so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

And am I the only one who thinks that RCI's (presumably the Captain's?) action was (in addition to whatever else we may be missing re the interaction between the parties) due to the combination of the gun magazine issue + the overboard comment + the ship cruising out of Port Liberty (which is what, less than 12 miles away and just across the harbor from what was the World Trade Center complex)? I'm not saying that the concern was that she (or he or they) would try to take anyone with them but we all know there are lots of crazy people out there who are all about trying to create that 15-minutes of fame and sometimes it's all about location, location, location.

The way they are furiously using social media to boost the profile of this makes me think their reaction at the time was less than easy going.

 

Being from the UK, the idea of someone boarding a cruise with a gun cartridge scares the hell out of me.

 

 

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Is it true that in the Uk you are not even allowed to have a Swiss Army knife?

What I don't understand is why RCI let them on the boat in the first place since it sounds like the comment was right after they finished explaining themselves to the Port Authority (I've read the linked material but I haven't watched or listened to anything so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

 

And am I the only one who thinks that RCI's (presumably the Captain's?) action was (in addition to whatever else we may be missing re the interaction between the parties) due to the combination of the gun magazine issue + the overboard comment + the ship cruising out of Port Liberty (which is what, less than 12 miles away and just across the harbor from what was the World Trade Center complex)? I'm not saying that the concern was that she (or he or they) would try to take anyone with them but we all know there are lots of crazy people out there who are all about trying to create that 15-minutes of fame and sometimes it's all about location, location, location.

That's very possible! And yes people will do anything for that 15 minutes of "fame" nowadays.

Is it true that in the Uk you are not even allowed to have a Swiss Army knife?

In parts of Australia you COULD be in trouble.

No need to INSULT the good people of OHIO! There's just as much ( or more ) STUPID in Texas!

Really? Can we please grow up.

There is something off in their story. If this all happened at the port, they should have been denied boarding. What did they do, escort them directly to an inside cabin?

And as for stupid, you know what mama says:

Boy their twitter feed really proves that there's more to the story. Any good attorney would tell them to shut their traps if they had a legitimate case. Another case of someone not reading their cruise contract.

True story and I will tell it on myself. We were on a cruise that was selling replica Jackie Kennedy jewelry. My wife came up to me and said that she found a piece she would love.

As an aside, she is worth it- a pearl beyond price.

But being a smart ass, I put my hands over my heart and started gasping. Unfortunately, right behind me was a doctor, and he thought I was having an asthma attack!

That cured me of doing that kind of stuff!

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My bil went through customs after a cruisev with my elderly mother at jfk....there were dogs...he had contraband in his shirt pocket....oopppss....forgot it was there...they figured he was dumb as rocks and just confiscated it....who forgets to not smoke what's left before you get to customs??......

Stupid is all i can say :S

:o :o

 

Double blush because

a) I thought it was an ink and paper type magazine (didn't even think of the other kind) and thought security was being a bit weird about people's reading material

 

My first thought as well.:o

On my cruise in April, I had an ongoing joke with a crew member about hopping off to go "dolphin-skiing" (strapping each foot onto a dolphin and water skiing in the ship's wake - and no, neither of us were really proposing harming dolphins or skiing behind the ship). It went on from there to joking about whether dolphins had better wifi reception than sharks (don't ask).

 

At no point was I threatened with being put on suicide watch, so I suspect we're missing part of the couple's story.

You didn't say "maybe I'll go overboard". You skipped straight to the dolphins and didn't say anything indicating you would jump off the ship. She DID.

Better yet, how about to a TSA agent. DW had stuffed her carry on so full for the trip home, she almost had to sit on it to zip. Well, TSA spotted something in X-ray that spurred their curiosity and pulled it for further inspection. Just as the agent was about to open it, DW without thinking says, "Careful it might explode." As soon as the words left her lips, she panicked and started trying to explain what she meant. The agent was mature gentlemen and spent more time trying to calm her down than actually searching the bag. He seemed to be having a good chuckle as he released the bag to her. I wish I had it on video.

 

 

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oh your poor wife.

Two words to remove from your vocabulary while traveling. "BOMB" will get you questioned and detained almost anywhere, but particularly on a plane or in an airport. "OVERBOARD" will most certainly cause you problems on any ship. The ship has a moral and legal responsibility to protect you from yourself.

 

Follow the old saying "First engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear."

Very true.

In '95 I went to Ireland with my then best friend. We met up at JFK and we were in line for boarding Aer Lingus when she opened her mouth and made a joke about having a bomb. Aughhhhh. Forget security, our fellow passengers nearly killed her! No one needs that thought in their heads while traveling. Security didn't hear her and the passengers refrained from hurting her, so she did get on the flight, but I still haven't forgiven her for that stupid stupid joke. (and obviously this was before 9/11)

There is something off in their story. If this all happened at the port, they should have been denied boarding. What did they do, escort them directly to an inside cabin?

That was my question from the beginning. He was already reprimanded and had the possibility of not being allowed on the ship, followed by her jump off the ship comment, making her a suicide concern. I wonder if they only got to board the ship is RC didn't know what to do with them immediately (which seems unlikely), or there was a time separation between the two incidents.:confused:

No matter what, they didn't start with the best foot forward. I did read their roll call, and under in their signature it says "Future cruises: None! Never! We're done!". Not a surprise.

That was my question from the beginning. He was already reprimanded and had the possibility of not being allowed on the ship, followed by her jump off the ship comment, making her a suicide concern. I wonder if they only got to board the ship is RC didn't know what to do with them immediately (which seems unlikely), or there was a time separation between the two incidents.:confused:

 

No matter what, they didn't start with the best foot forward. I did read their roll call, and under in their signature it says "Future cruises: None! Never! We're done!". Not a surprise.

No, not if that is the case.:D

That was my question from the beginning. He was already reprimanded and had the possibility of not being allowed on the ship, followed by her jump off the ship comment, making her a suicide concern. I wonder if they only got to board the ship is RC didn't know what to do with them immediately (which seems unlikely), or there was a time separation between the two incidents.:confused:

 

No matter what, they didn't start with the best foot forward. I did read their roll call, and under in their signature it says "Future cruises: None! Never! We're done!". Not a surprise.

Based on the article from 'truthvoice' (never heard of them before seeing the post on the roll call) there was a time separation. One incident happened with Port Authority. The second (the comment) was overheard on board.

From 'truthvoice':

After being detained during the luggage search, Tim Baker was interrogated and asked questions such as, “Why do you need to own a gun?” and “Are you in law enforcement?”

When the interrogation was over, NJ Port Authority from Cape Liberty told them, “Today is your lucky day, you should be in jail” and the couple boarded the ship.

Naturally, Tim’s wife Michele has become very anxious and almost panicked during this stressful situation. When their luggage was still being delayed, she uttered to her husband a comment stating “this is going overboard” which was overheard by a security guard and led Royal Caribbean to virtually imprison the couple in a small room with an armed guard outside their door.

You have their story, RCI's story and the real truth probably in the middle.

I personally would not have contacted 'truthvoice' w/ my internet access. National news. NY/NJ news. Something with a bit more clout.

Based on the article from 'truthvoice' (never heard of them before seeing the post on the roll call) there was a time separation. One incident happened with Port Authority. The second (the comment) was overheard on board.

 

From 'truthvoice':

After being detained during the luggage search, Tim Baker was interrogated and asked questions such as, “Why do you need to own a gun?” and “Are you in law enforcement?”

 

When the interrogation was over, NJ Port Authority from Cape Liberty told them, “Today is your lucky day, you should be in jail” and the couple boarded the ship.

 

Naturally, Tim’s wife Michele has become very anxious and almost panicked during this stressful situation. When their luggage was still being delayed, she uttered to her husband a comment stating “this is going overboard” which was overheard by a security guard and led Royal Caribbean to virtually imprison the couple in a small room with an armed guard outside their door.

 

You have their story, RCI's story and the real truth probably in the middle.

 

I personally would not have contacted 'truthvoice' w/ my internet access. National news. NY/NJ news. Something with a bit more clout.

You have their story, RCI's story and the real truth probably in the middle.

What is RCI's version? I know the cruiser has said what he THINKS RCI's version is, but I haven't read any kind of official comment on why they were detained.

What is RCI's version? I know the cruiser has said what he THINKS RCI's version is, but I haven't read any kind of official comment on why they were detained.

Didn't say I knew, just that it exists. And if you want to argue that rci does not have a version, there is a new cruise port in OK.

Didn't say I knew, just that it exists. And if you want to argue that rci does not have a version, there is a new cruise port in OK.

I misread. I thought you were saying RCI's version is out there for the public (like the family's is) and the truth was somewhere in the middle.

Oh, I definitely agree what the family THINKS (or at least claims) the reason for the confinement is, is different than why RCI actually confined them.

No need to INSULT the good people of OHIO! There's just as much ( or more ) STUPID in Texas!

As a Texan I guess you are correct. However, your grammar should read "There's just as many stupid people in Texas."

Just sayin...

Have a great day!

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I misread. I thought you were saying RCI's version is out there for the public (like the family's is) and the truth was somewhere in the middle.

 

Oh, I definitely agree what the family THINKS (or at least claims) the reason for the confinement is, is different than why RCI actually confined them.

I WISH RCI's version and port authority's versions/reports would be made public. So many differences between the two news articles I read, and those are both based on the couple's account!

It's like a tootsie pop...the world may never know!

My father once had a gun magazine in a sock that he obviously packed by mistake. He told them he had never seen it before and to toss it away. Mistakes happen in life.

I can't even remember where this came up, but one thing that isn't mentioned everywhere is the gun cartridge contained hollow point bullets. That was the biggest part of the deal, since those are illegal in NJ.

From a security standpoint, part of the concern becomes "We found the bullets. So is the guy stupid, or did we just not find a gun yet?".

After they were allowed on board, that might have been the end of it. His wife didn't mention the "O" word until they got onboard and later went down to the naughty room, because security had found other stuff in their bags (a power strip and what they thought was an iron).

It sounds like the wife was calling the additional luggage review situation as the cruise line "going overboard", not that she was going to "go overboard". That said, I guess it could have been lost in translation or more likely, their behavior was aggressive which caused the detainment. That's my theory/pure guess. I would expect they have only provided the details that fit their version of events and make them look wronged.