zahav1 Posted May 2, 2012 #576 Share Posted May 2, 2012 http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/04/articles/crime/panama-opens-criminal-investigation-into-princess-cruises-captain-perrin-to-face-homicide-failure-to-rescue-inquiries/ Sort of knew this would go further in Panama: ", Panama has decided to proceed with a criminal investigation into the conduct of the Master of the Princess Cruises cruise ship Star Princess, for failing to assist three young Panamanian men who were adrift 100 miles out to sea aboard the Panamanian fishing boat Fifty Cents. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickEk Posted May 2, 2012 #577 Share Posted May 2, 2012 http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/04/articles/crime/panama-opens-criminal-investigation-into-princess-cruises-captain-perrin-to-face-homicide-failure-to-rescue-inquiries/ Sort of knew this would go further in Panama: ", Panama has decided to proceed with a criminal investigation into the conduct of the Master of the Princess Cruises cruise ship Star Princess, for failing to assist three young Panamanian men who were adrift 100 miles out to sea aboard the Panamanian fishing boat Fifty Cents. " Interesting... especially the prediction of the author (who has been described elsewhere as a cruise ship ambulance chaser): My prediction? Bermuda will do a favor for its cruise line customer, Princess Cruises, and exonerate Captain Perrin. Panama will issue an arrest warrant for the captain and a writ of attachment to seize the next Princess cruise ship sailing through the Panama Canal . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitecap Posted May 2, 2012 #578 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Interesting... especially the prediction of the author (who has been described elsewhere as a cruise ship ambulance chaser): My prediction? Bermuda will do a favor for its cruise line customer, Princess Cruises, and exonerate Captain Perrin. Panama will issue an arrest warrant for the captain and a writ of attachment to seize the next Princess cruise ship sailing through the Panama Canal . . . When individuals begin publishing articles about a situation in which they make statements of reported "facts" I first look at the credibility issue of the author. That being said, I'll wait and see if Panama does in fact begin an investigation. As for them issuing and executing a criminal warrant against the Captain, they would have to be able to prove that: the vessel "Fifty Cent" was in FACT the vessel seen; that the Captain was personally made aware of the "vessel in distress" and intentionally ignored the vessel. Would they go to the extreme of seizing a vessel, I'm not sure on a criminal complaint they would have the right to seize "any" Princess Cruise Line vessel and it might be a long stretch to even seize the Star. But I am not an expert in Panamanian law so like with the Bermuda investigation, I'll sit back and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highheel girl Posted May 2, 2012 #579 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I wish everyone would leave this alone now. We have no proof of what happened. I am beginning to think it is not real at all so must wait for an official judgement. I agree, too many MM quarterbacks. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard1s Posted May 2, 2012 #580 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Would they go to the extreme of seizing a vessel, I'm not sure on a criminal complaint they would have the right to seize "any" Princess Cruise Line vessel and it might be a long stretch to even seize the Star. If US Marshals can temporairly seize a Carnival ship in Galveston as a result of a law suit filed by a German Concordia passenger, I would imagine that the government of Panama can do whatever it wants in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitecap Posted May 2, 2012 #581 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Would they go to the extreme of seizing a vessel, I'm not sure on a criminal complaint they would have the right to seize "any" Princess Cruise Line vessel and it might be a long stretch to even seize the Star. If US Marshals can temporairly seize a Carnival ship in Galveston as a result of a law suit filed by a German Concordia passenger, I would imagine that the government of Panama can do whatever it wants in this situation. The difference: Texas situation was a Civil suit, not criminal; the suit was filed in the United States, not a foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted May 2, 2012 #582 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The difference: Texas situation was a Civil suit, not criminal; the suit was filed in the United States, not a foreign country.It was also filed by a lawyer looking strictly for publicity and OKd by a judge who obviously didn't know the law or the difference between Carnival Corporation and Carnival Cruise Lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted May 2, 2012 #583 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Actually the ruling held up under law, it was a bad application of it. I.E. the judgement was legally valid but was the equivalent of the death penalty for littering. It was also filed by a lawyer looking strictly for publicity and OKd by a judge who obviously didn't know the law or the difference between Carnival Corporation and Carnival Cruise Lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMG318 Posted May 3, 2012 #584 Share Posted May 3, 2012 http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/04/articles/crime/panama-opens-criminal-investigation-into-princess-cruises-captain-perrin-to-face-homicide-failure-to-rescue-inquiries/ Sort of knew this would go further in Panama: ", Panama has decided to proceed with a criminal investigation into the conduct of the Master of the Princess Cruises cruise ship Star Princess, for failing to assist three young Panamanian men who were adrift 100 miles out to sea aboard the Panamanian fishing boat Fifty Cents. " I wonder if they (Panama) will ever "investigate" what actions they pursued to search for the missing fishing boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMG318 Posted May 3, 2012 #585 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Would they go to the extreme of seizing a vessel, I'm not sure on a criminal complaint they would have the right to seize "any" Princess Cruise Line vessel and it might be a long stretch to even seize the Star. If US Marshals can temporairly seize a Carnival ship in Galveston as a result of a law suit filed by a German Concordia passenger, I would imagine that the government of Panama can do whatever it wants in this situation. Seizing a vessel would probably not go over very well with the Panamanian people who depend on income from princess cruise excusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel5 Posted May 3, 2012 #586 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Seizing a vessel would probably not go over very well with the Panamanian people who depend on income from princess cruise excusions. Not only the tourist spending, but Princess has to pay more than 250K in advance, for each ship using the canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted May 3, 2012 #587 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Actually the ruling held up under law, it was a bad application of it. I.E. the judgement was legally valid but was the equivalent of the death penalty for littering.Gotcha. The whole thing was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted May 3, 2012 #588 Share Posted May 3, 2012 The short version is that given that Carnival Corp was named in the suit AND the ship is financed in such a way that CCL has a legal interest, a judge was allowed to hold the asset against the suit. That said, given all the issues about venue, ownership, etc there is no way that a judge should have issued that seizure order until they were resolved. Think of it as a case where the defendant by all rights should have gotten bail but didn't. Gotcha. The whole thing was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyageur9 Posted May 12, 2012 #589 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Just to keep those interested up-to-date, there is now a lawsuit in Florida, filed on behalf of the sole survivor of 50 Cent against Princess, a unit of Carnival with respect to the allegations of 'sail by' despite the Star's crew being alerted to apparent distress signals from a small boat far from shore. Thus, in addition to a formal maritime inquiry being conducted by Bermuda, the nation where Princess opts to flag its ships to avoid US/British manning, labour requirements and a criminal investigation launched in Panama, the nation of citizenship and residency of the two men who perished on board 50 Cents after its purported encounter with Star Princess, there is a civil action. http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/05/articles/rescue-1/survivor-of-infamous-star-princess-sail-by-sues-princess-cruises/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrill Posted May 14, 2012 #590 Share Posted May 14, 2012 well, it looks like princess is assuming guilt. http://www.princess.com/news/article.jsp?newsArticleId=na1230 :( This link has been removed from the Princess website and news archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PescadoAmarillo Posted May 14, 2012 #591 Share Posted May 14, 2012 This link has been removed from the Princess website and news archives. I'm not surprised. Princess is circling their wagons. What DID surprise me was the wording and release of the news announcement in the first place. I thought it was awfully premature. This will be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrill Posted May 14, 2012 #592 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm not surprised. Princess is circling their wagons. What DID surprise me was the wording and release of the news announcement in the first place. I thought it was awfully premature. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgvic Posted May 14, 2012 #593 Share Posted May 14, 2012 It seems to have been withdrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattony Posted May 14, 2012 #594 Share Posted May 14, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18055087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billco Posted May 14, 2012 #595 Share Posted May 14, 2012 It seems to have been withdrawn http://www.princess.com/news/article.jsp?newsArticleId=na1237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Flyer Posted May 14, 2012 #596 Share Posted May 14, 2012 http://www.princess.com/news/article.jsp?newsArticleId=na1237 Thanks for the link to today's news release but it won't convince the conspiracy theorists. Captain Perrin would have never ignored anyone in peril on the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted May 14, 2012 #597 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Thanks for the link to today's news release but it won't convince the conspiracy theorists. Captain Perrin would have never ignored anyone in peril on the sea. I agree. Also the ambulance chasers and cruise bashers won't go along with the second sentence. They will keep up their defamation in the media.They are not after not truth or justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdjam Posted May 14, 2012 #598 Share Posted May 14, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18055087 Color me surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Gail & Marty sailing away Posted May 14, 2012 #599 Share Posted May 14, 2012 That is said ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted May 15, 2012 #600 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Just saw the survivor interviewed on CNN. He said the ship that ignored him was big and white and had the ship's name in red. Kudos to the first person who can post a picture of the Star Princess showing the name in red and in a size large enough to be read by someone two miles away without binoculars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.