Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[fuddrules]

http://gcaptain.com/the-dangers-of-co2-use-in-firefighting-videos/

 

Thanks

 

Is this just an FYI?

[broberts]

The best I know of is the prior CC news articles.

 

According to this one, the Vigorous arrived on the scene early Monday morning at 12:45am.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5191

 

Thanks, I had misread the USCG press release, http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1701703/UPDATE-Coast-Guard-escorts-disabled-cruise-ship-under-tow-to-Alabama

[iambumbo]

One idea for extra compensation that I haven't seen floated is really a non-monetary concept-- automatically upgrading every passenger on Triumph to platinum status for life. For those that decide to give Carnival another chance, at least they'll know that they will have a number of perks waiting for them to improve their future cruise experiences and hopefully bury this one in the past. Wouldn't cost the company much of anything and be another olive branch.

 

Carnival is already offering a future cruise voucher so it would certainly be consistent with the goal of making the passenger feel better about returning to the sea.

[WetToes]

Shocking, just shocking. Carnival should do something about that.

 

 

:eek:!!! Did I see ROBES on the public DECKS!!!???

[jsaadat]

Thank you to all the passengers that have shared your comments with all of us. What a difficult situation to have to deal with. I suppose, looking at the big picture........ the fire was contained and no one died. Looking at the little picture.............. it was a horrible vacation.

Weather overseas on vacation, on a cruise ship or at an all-inclusive resort in Mexico.............. all is fine until something goes wrong. That is when you realize the difference between Vacationing in Orlando or on a ship or foreign land. The rules, decisions, responsibilities are all different once you are in the hands of a foreign flagged ship or country. These are the chances we take to enjoy the fruits of a different vacation or land.

It is an isolated incident, it was handled I suppose the best that it could be given the situation of no power. I bet there are as many good stories as bad.

Upsetting at the time............ but it will pass. Many in the world have never even seen fresh running water or a toilet that flushes.

Be thankful we even get the opportunity to have a vacation.

Best of luck to all.

[dockmaster]

Thanks

 

Is this just an FYI?

Sure...short little video. Nothing implied!!

 

billd

[broberts]

I think the main thing that could have been better is regular onboard announcements, even if all that could be said is that there is no new information.

 

This is what was done on the Splendor, and the passengers there appreciated it.

 

A number, perhaps most of the passengers interviewed indicated that they felt left out.

 

I've often wondered if ship disaster response plans include the designation of someone as a "passenger communications" person. That is, someone with the dedicated or mostly dedicated job of collecting information and briefing the passengers at regular (maybe even scheduled) intervals.

[scottamemnon]

One idea for extra compensation that I haven't seen floated is really a non-monetary concept-- automatically upgrading every passenger on Triumph to platinum status for life. For those that decide to give Carnival another chance, at least they'll know that they will have a number of perks waiting for them to improve their future cruise experiences and hopefully bury this one in the past. Wouldn't cost the company much of anything and be another olive branch.

 

Carnival is already offering a future cruise voucher so it would certainly be consistent with the goal of making the passenger feel better about returning to the sea.

 

I think that is a really great idea.

 

Just think of the calls, "we think so highly of you as a customer that whenever you choose to sail with us again, even if its many years in the future, we want to treat you like a VIP and will make you Platinum members for free."

 

That's an intangible that would really help them in the long run with the avid cruisers on this cruise who might look elsewhere. Wont help them with the people who will never cruise again.

[jonbgd]

Let me see if I can clear up the firefighting procedures. They should be real pretty close to what we used on a CG or Navy ship.

Fire spotted....fire reported to the bridge with TYPE of fire A: fire that leaves and ash B: combustibal liquid or oil; C: electrical D: burning metal (magisium etc)....can have a combination of all four but D is rare, B and C are most common... Call away the fire team In this case was probably Alpha team from reports passed.

at scene of fire in E/R: (these are your guys on watch in probably coveralls etc) initial action with what ever fire ext to engineroom mounted fire extinguishing agents with foam etc.. all machinery being. IF its too hot/smoky, the initial team backs out secures the entry door, Ventalition and compartnment secured.(make compt air tight). At this point the fire is turned over to Alpha team, the E/R is clear of personell and everything should be shut down.

Alpha team mans up..makes entry...original team possibly the back up hose team now.as there dressed out. Remember the fire has been burning for some time.

Alpha team make re-entry into the e/r with two hose teams. Reports on condition fire, either puts out fire: Good, back out and back up team is the reflash watch. OR

 

Fire Out of Control...... Too big to handle by a hose teams. Time to energize CO2 fire suppression system ...

Compt emptied of all personnel and totally air tight. Reported to the Captain that compt is CLEAR of all personnel, Order from Probably the Captain to Dump the system.

System engerized, all oxygen displaced in the compt. Fire needs oxygen to continue. At this point the fire is either out and is monitored from out side. At this point I'm not sure of how long thjey wait to go back in, probably at least an hour. Now a days they have cameras, thermal imagining equip so they can see the fire is out. Then they assess the damange.

 

During this other teams should have ALREADY set fire boundary's, above forward and aft of the engine compt. If nothing else is burning, the fire is limited to one compartment, with maybe some small heat damage or small fires immediately around the E/R. Sounds like they did a good job of containing it to only the aft engine room where it started. lucky them!!

 

Compts are ventilated of smoke, etc.

 

This procedure can take hours, after the CO2 is dumped,. So since everything was secured, its still all secured

I heard someone say the fire was 1250 deg, probably correct, probably hotter too in spots.

 

This is a quicky, not a whole ships firefighting doctrine, which they should have and sounds like they practiced.

 

Billd

WOW not bad for a Coastie:pJK

We had Halon on the Tarawa

[RRLLAL]

I keep seeing the going to Progresso thing come up.

 

Lets see if I can explain the reason why Mobile made more sense.

 

If I remember correctly when it began they were 140mi from Progresso and 450mi from Mobile(may be off a bit).

 

The oceans in the area were moving the ship at 3-4kt, we will average it at approx 4mph towards the north.

 

After 20 hours the ship was still in these currents and now 220mi from Progresso and only 370 from Mobile.

 

The tug boats would have to work against the current and would have had a max speed of approx 2mph to Progresso.

 

Working with the current they were able to get 5-6mph towards Mobile.

 

220 Miles / 2 Miles Per Hour = 110 Hours to Progresso

370 Miles / 5 Miles Per Hour = 74 Hours to Mobile

 

Since it took roughly 3 days to get to Mobile from that point I would say my estimates are pretty close.

 

Unless that current had changed, they would still be fighting to get into Progresso now.

 

Its all simple math. This is not cheerleading.

 

Much like driving in the city, sometimes the shortest route is not the fastest.

 

And getting back to their homes is a LOT easier and quicker from Mobile than Progresso.

 

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[dockmaster]

WOW not bad for a Coastie:pJK

We had Halon on the Tarawa

 

Good deal, not sure what civilians are using.

If you ever pulled into NAS Pensacola from 1998-2010 I tied you up:):):)

 

Billd

[RRLLAL]

Some truths now coming out.

 

A few passengers had some "fun" and went around slashing some red bags open that people had left in pails outside their doors as instructed.

 

Some passengers not using the red bags as instructed and using facilities that were not working.

 

Some of you he media pics/video of soaked/squishy carpets were not from urine but from water and in some cases water sprinklers that had gone off

 

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I should clarify my post. When I say truth, I don't mean passengers were untruthful. I am pointing at our exaggerating and sensationalizing media. And I'd course a few Carnival haters.

 

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[RRLLAL]

One idea for extra compensation that I haven't seen floated is really a non-monetary concept-- automatically upgrading every passenger on Triumph to platinum status for life. For those that decide to give Carnival another chance, at least they'll know that they will have a number of perks waiting for them to improve their future cruise experiences and hopefully bury this one in the past. Wouldn't cost the company much of anything and be another olive branch.

 

Carnival is already offering a future cruise voucher so it would certainly be consistent with the goal of making the passenger feel better about returning to the sea.

 

Not a bad idea.

 

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[RRLLAL]

I think the main thing that could have been better is regular onboard announcements, even if all that could be said is that there is no new information.

 

This is what was done on the Splendor, and the passengers there appreciated it.

 

2 passengers interviewed yesterday when they were still at sea heading in, specifically complimented the communications. Also, during the course of the day, at least 4 times, when CNN interviewed a passenger, you could hear announcements being made in the background while CNN usually yammered on.

 

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[EZ4]

And getting back to their homes is a LOT easier and quicker from Mobile than Progresso.

 

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Not to mention that the ship was already moved into drydock this morning.

[RRLLAL]

Cruise lines spend millions on publicity...to entice the public with fun commercials that show sumptious food, gorgeous ships, people having the time of their lives. They spend that money because it drives business: in short, PR works.

 

For those of you whothink this story will be just a blip, something the general public could care less about...you are right to a degree. But you are wrong in the way that counts MOST to the cruise line. This is millions and millions of dollars of air time, print time, prime time interviews, the morning shows...a budget no cruise line could possibly afford...and ALL of this PR will be negative.

 

It is a PR disaster,not because Carnival is an inferior cruise line, but because their handling of this terrible situation seems to indicate the bottom line trumps concern for these customers. The "busing to NOLA" might make BUSINESS SENSE but it does not make PEOPLE SENSE. It reeks of a lack of compassion and a sparcity of common sense. Anyone who puts themselves in these peoples places, tries to imagine their discomfort and what tney have been through, would think that there should be rooms ready in BOTH places...so whatever any individual needed...Carnival would be sensitive enough to provide.

 

Are they to ride the buses in stinking clothes, perhaps stained with feces, urine, vomit? How many people might already be sick....are they to be herded like cattle?

 

This is milions of dollars of horrific publicity...not just with questions about maitenance of the ships,but Carnival's LOYALTY to those who choose them, who cruise their ships. If their choices were limited as to how to handle the fiasco onboard,they are only limited by MONEY as to how to handle on land. At this point, a free cruise on Carnival probably has little appeal to some onboard. If you suffered several days in the hospital from food poisoning, not everyone is thrilled to rush back for a "free" dinner in the same hideous place. Not everyone who is on a plane that has to crash land, is jumping for joy at a chance to board another flight. Yes, the jealous ones who are spitting mad because someone got something, they DID NOT... see this differently.

 

BUT take care of these poor people AS SOON AS THEY return..in whatever way,THEY WANT.

 

All the millions on commericals going forward is chump change to the VALUE of the negative vile image of the Carnival "publicity"we are about to see.

 

 

Seeing as how you've been wrong on almost 100% of your complaints, I'm sure this one will be too. Carnival will still cruise full and will remain the #1 cruiseline in the world.

 

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[SociallyAwkward]

So for those of you that think Carnival did not do enough, should they give the people on the bus that broke an additional $100, or should the bus company do it?

 

No, I think a bus breaking down isn't abnormal. It wasn't days. And there is a difference between thinking they didn't do enough and feeling like the cash part was low. And it isn't because I think people deserve it either, it is because I think it is the right thing to do.

 

 

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[caribill]

For those who parked at Galveston

 

The Port of Galveston said it will issue parking vouchers to passengers aboard Carnival’s Triumph to be used for a full parking refund.

[jsaadat]

BRIEF-Carnival sued by passenger on stricken Carnival Triumph ship

 

2:11pm EST

Feb 15 (Reuters) - Carnival Corp : * Sued by passenger who was on stricken Carnival triumph ship -- court records * Lawsuit by Texas woman alleges breach of contract, negligence, fraud --

lawsuit filed in Miami federal court * Plaintiff alleges was forced to endure "deplorable, unsafe and unsanitary

conditions" on ship * Plaintiff says seeks damages for physical and emotional injuries

[Mikey7989]

:eek:!!! Did I see ROBES on the public DECKS!!!???

 

That usually happens around Day 3 at the Breakfast Buffet on Carnival on a normal cruise ...

[broberts]

Good deal, not sure what civilians are using.

If you ever pulled into NAS Pensacola from 1998-2010 I tied you up:):):)

 

Billd

 

Halon is a CFC (greenhouse gas). While it is arguably the most cost effective fire suppression agent its use is generally not allowed in many non-US jurisdictions today except for grandfathered installations and in aircraft and military craft. (I remember the consternation when we had to stop installing Halon systems in local computer rooms.) In 1994 the Clean Air Act stopped production of Halon in the US. See http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm for more details. I have no idea what agent Triumph uses but I'm sure it will be noted in the investigative report.

[jonbgd]

Good deal, not sure what civilians are using.

If you ever pulled into NAS Pensacola from 1998-2010 I tied you up:):):)

 

Billd

Nope never made it to FL while active

[AcaCandy]

What a victim. Loss of enjoyment of life? Get out of here. I hope the judge laughs in this slobs face with this lawsuit.

 

Agreed!

[waldocruiser1]

One idea for extra compensation that I haven't seen floated is really a non-monetary concept-- automatically upgrading every passenger on Triumph to platinum status for life. For those that decide to give Carnival another chance, at least they'll know that they will have a number of perks waiting for them to improve their future cruise experiences and hopefully bury this one in the past. Wouldn't cost the company much of anything and be another olive branch.

 

Carnival is already offering a future cruise voucher so it would certainly be consistent with the goal of making the passenger feel better about returning to the sea.

 

So do the passengers get credit for all the days of the cruise? or just the original 5, or none because they did not pay for the cruise?

[waldocruiser1]

For those who parked at Galveston

 

The Port of Galveston said it will issue parking vouchers to passengers aboard Carnival’s Triumph to be used for a full parking refund.

 

What about those that parked in other cities, they should get theirs adjusted also.

 

really they should just collect all the receipts, make copies and send them in to Carnival and I bet they will get it all back, including if they sent in the pay problem, it would get taken care of also.