Smoking Policy (More...)

[alwaysfrantic]

Why not allow ecigarettes only on verandahs. Then everyone is satisfied. It eliminates smoke for the smoke haters. It lets smokers get their nicotine so they are happy. There is no flame so the safety worriers who have fears of fire are alleviated and they are happy. No one has to move to a different line, so stockholders are happy. And they could sell the ecigs in the gift shops at the 40000% markup just like the wine so the store is happy too. See...we can all get along.

Edited November 23, 2013 by alwaysfrantic

[sapper1]

Canada seems to be ahead of the US in terms of "ex-smokers". I have heard the taxes are very high up there and I'm guessing the tobacco education is better. I see signs in stores advertising a "special" on cigarettes at $7.50 per pack. I'm amazed anyone still smokes for that price- in my former smoking days I smoked 2 or 3 packs a day. I'd need to re-fi the house to smoke now :)

 

Our cigarette packages are required by law to have extremely graphic pictures on them, along with explicit warnings.

Google " Canadian cigarette package pictures".

Edited November 23, 2013 by sapper1

[Hlitner]

Canada seems to be ahead of the US in terms of "ex-smokers". I have heard the taxes are very high up there and I'm guessing the tobacco education is better. I see signs in stores advertising a "special" on cigarettes at $7.50 per pack. I'm amazed anyone still smokes for that price- in my former smoking days I smoked 2 or 3 packs a day. I'd need to re-fi the house to smoke now :)

 

Not sure why you think this but we did a quick look on the internet. Based on the latest info about 20% of Canadians smoke and about 18% of USA folks smoke. Given how much we trust government statistic I will put my own spin on the topic and say its about equal :)

 

Hank

[Fouremco]

.......enuff....enuff....enuff...enuff

 

we have heard all of you, that complains about smokers....

 

How about learning a few things from the bible............

 

"he, who is without sin...cast the first stone"

 

.............................please the subect is boring..................

 

Um, if "the subect (sic) is boring", perhaps you should stop reading this thread. Just saying...

[KirkNC]

.......enuff....enuff....enuff...enuff

 

we have heard all of you, that complains about smokers....

 

How about learning a few things from the bible............

 

"he, who is without sin...cast the first stone"

 

.............................please the subect is boring..................

 

You could just skip the thread :rolleyes:

[sail7seas]

Canada seems to be ahead of the US in terms of "ex-smokers". I have heard the taxes are very high up there and I'm guessing the tobacco education is better. I see signs in stores advertising a "special" on cigarettes at $7.50 per pack. I'm amazed anyone still smokes for that price- in my former smoking days I smoked 2 or 3 packs a day. I'd need to re-fi the house to smoke now :)

 

 

The last time I inquired how much a pack of cigarettes costs in Massachusetts, I think I was told $8.25 or something like that. :eek: Wow.... that's a big chunk out of someone's net pay check each week.

 

[cruz chic]

.......enuff....enuff....enuff...enuff

 

we have heard all of you, that complains about smokers....

 

How about learning a few things from the bible............

 

"he, who is without sin...cast the first stone"

 

.............................please the subect is boring..................

 

Like I said on the other thread please pass it by. Surely you can find something better to do. I can't understand why you are so angry.

[kazu]

Add to the smoking list NCL and Seabourn's Suites.

Again I will say, I'm not a smoker and have never had a problem on my balcony.

It really all boils down to dollars. I'm confident HAL has tracked the spending patterns of those that request an ash tray for their balcony and found the same patterns as Nevada. Smokers tend to drink and gamble heavier- non smoking casinos have tried and failed. If revenue would increase by eliminating smoking every casino would be non smoking tomorrow- the savings in maintenance and insurance premiums would be huge.

I worked in the Executive Offices of a major casino in Nevada in the mid 80's and saw study after study about smoking vs non smoking. We had people on the floor discreetly tracking spending at the smoking and non smoking sections. We would have loved to have made the entire complex smoke free but the dismal earnings from the non smoking areas made it clear it couldn't happen. Receipts plummeted in a restaurants that changed to non smoking.

I live in Washington State and several years ago the smoke free laws passed. Sadly, many privately owned casinos failed as the Tribal Casinos allowed smoking and business skyrocketed for them. We have a small Tribal Casino in our area that was basically just a small bingo "tent". Since the law passed they have become a major destination resort with huge casino, restaurants, hotel and convention center.

The Health Department kept saying "business will get better" but for the small non tribal casinos and many small restaurants and bars it never did and they closed.

I remember when smoking was allowed pretty much anywhere on the ship then most relegated it to the port side of public rooms. I saw one suggestion that smoking be allowed on balconies on only one side of the ship- makes sense to me. HAL caters to a heavy international clientele and many countries still have high numbers of smokers.

 

 

 

Actually I was told by the Casino Manager that the Casino will never be smoke free while Carnival is running things. Apparently they have done their studies and they know who spends where and who smokes. Apparently the smokers spend more money overall and without them there would not be as much money made.

 

I don't know how true all of that is but it is what I was told when I was last on.

[mightycruisequeen]

Actually I was told by the Casino Manager that the Casino will never be smoke free while Carnival is running things. Apparently they have done their studies and they know who spends where and who smokes. Apparently the smokers spend more money overall and without them there would not be as much money made.

 

I don't know how true all of that is but it is what I was told when I was last on.

 

Why is it typically a smoker who is sharing this kind of stuff? :rolleyes:

[RollieUK]

The last time I inquired how much a pack of cigarettes costs in Massachusetts, I think I was told $8.25 or something like that. :eek: Wow.... that's a big chunk out of someone's net pay check each week.

 

 

In the UK the price of 20 Marlboro is about £8.20 ($13). Even the cheap cigarettes are about £6.80 ($11).

 

Glad that we both quit smoking a few years ago. We couldn't afford it now. I don't know how people (especially the young) find the money

[Aussiepair]

The last time I inquired how much a pack of cigarettes costs in Massachusetts, I think I was told $8.25 or something like that. :eek: Wow.... that's a big chunk out of someone's net pay check each week.

 

 

In Australia a packet will cost you $20. The cost will never stop the true addicts, the drug is just too powerful.

 

If HAL change their smoking policy to ban smoking on balconies it will increase their business, not reduce it. I know of many cruisers, myself included, that prefer to stay in a balcony cabin but won't take the chance with HAL after being caught out before.

[YubaSutter]

In Australia a packet will cost you $20. The cost will never stop the true addicts, the drug is just too powerful.

 

If HAL change their smoking policy to ban smoking on balconies it will increase their business, not reduce it. I know of many cruisers, myself included, that prefer to stay in a balcony cabin but won't take the chance with HAL after being caught out before.

 

I don't believe HAL would increase their business if they disallowed smoking on the balconies. It would probably decrease the profit.

 

HAL sails full on every cruise with a combination of smokers and non smokers in balcony cabins. If you take the smokers out and replace them with non smokers, cabin recenue stays the same because it still sails full.

 

Smokers generally drink more and gamble more than non smokers. Less smokers on the ship reduces bar and casino revenue. Cruise ships make their profit from bar sales and casino play.

[GeriatricNurse]

I don't believe HAL would increase their business if they disallowed smoking on the balconies. It would probably decrease the profit.

 

HAL sails full on every cruise with a combination of smokers and non smokers in balcony cabins. If you take the smokers out and replace them with non smokers, cabin recenue stays the same because it still sails full.

 

Smokers generally drink more and gamble more than non smokers. Less smokers on the ship reduces bar and casino revenue. Cruise ships make their profit from bar sales and casino play.

 

Please quote accurate/reliable sources to verify your statements! :)

[tip]

If HAL change their smoking policy to ban smoking on balconies it will increase their business, not reduce it. I know of many cruisers, myself included, that prefer to stay in a balcony cabin but won't take the chance with HAL after being caught out before.

 

And count me in as another who will not sail HAL until they decide to join the 21st Century. And I have sailed HAL six times in the past.

 

And "considerate smoker" is an oxymoron.;)

[mightycruisequeen]

Why not allow ecigarettes only on verandahs. Then everyone is satisfied. It eliminates smoke for the smoke haters. It lets smokers get their nicotine so they are happy. There is no flame so the safety worriers who have fears of fire are alleviated and they are happy. No one has to move to a different line, so stockholders are happy. And they could sell the ecigs in the gift shops at the 40000% markup just like the wine so the store is happy too. See...we can all get along.

 

I think that would be a brilliant solution. HAL already allows ecigarettes inside the cabins; why not on the balconies too?

[chrispb]

And if there were, there would be many non-smokers who would complain that their favorite cabin is on the designated smoking side.

 

You are right - some non-smokers just love to complain:cool:

[chrispb]

And "considerate smoker" is an oxymoron.;)

 

As is a "considerate" non-smoker:p

[taxmantoo]

 

And "considerate smoker" is an oxymoron.;)

 

As is a "considerate" non-smoker:p

 

WOW ! I guess logic would then dictate that there is no such thing as a "considerate" cruiser :rolleyes: I sincerely hope one of you is wrong !

Edited November 24, 2013 by taxmantoo

[YubaSutter]

Please quote accurate/reliable sources to verify your statements! :)

 

Information given to me by the county health director.

[sun~]

 

Smokers generally drink more and gamble more than non smokers. Less smokers on the ship reduces bar and casino revenue. Cruise ships make their profit from bar sales and casino play.

 

I think that is a pile of nonsense. The casino close to me is completely non smoking and on any given night there are thousands of people there. No smoking, and folks are gambling and paying for drinks ( drinks are not comped here). It is a very profitable casino. "They" also said that restaurants would lose business and close because those precious high spending smokers would stay away. Well that was a load of crap. More people than ever went out because they didn't have to put up with noxious fumes.

 

From what I see most smokers that I see seem to be broke and/or have health issues. Hardly a marketer's dream.

Edited November 24, 2013 by sun~

[sprinkles]

OK - Now I'm jumping in. Although, I think I'll stay away from the comment that "most smokers seem to be broke" - THAT'S JUST TOO HYSTERICAL FOR WORDS.

 

I'm only jumping in because I do believe that the cruise lines read these boards and I get tired of mostly the non or anti-smokers speaking their peace.

 

I LOVE cruising - period! My cruise experience has changed drastically because of these smoking issues, but I am trying to deal with the changes. I love Hal and Princess, although up until these smoking changes, I loved Princess more (Elite). I still cruise both lines. HAL - a balcony only and yes, find that I spend much more time in my cabin on HAL. Princess, I choose my inside cabin somewhere close to a smoking area.

 

My biggest irritation with this thread is the whole argument of all smokers being inconsiderate and the idea that no one ever complains of inconsiderate non-smokers. Well, OK let me voice my complaints on the inconsiderate non-smokers that I have encountered.

 

I have seen it go from the simple coughing and waving thing that has gone on for years. To the women who proudly wrote on this board - how she would "hold her breath and run through the casino to get to the showroom". Until one evening when it was too crowded and she was running out of breath - so she started running faster and "knocked a women over sending the lady's drink into the air and the women to the floor". She claimed she kept running and never looked back. To me that is beyond rude and in "my world" I consider that assault. When all the women simply had to do, was go up one flight of stairs or use the elevator to go to the showroom without going through the casino.

 

Rude non-smoker? Last year I was gambling in the casino (and yes smoking) when a hysterical women came up to me screaming hysterically and pointing (inches from my face) at me saying "you are a horrible person and should be ashamed of yourself" over and over again. She was banned from the casino for the rest of the cruise (a 28 day one to be exact).

 

I have story after story that I "could" tell about rude and inconsiderate non-smokers. That same 28 day cruise on a large ship, I watched day after day, non-smokers filling the smoking side of the aft pool tables, when the non-smoking side was completely empty.

 

To me it has always simply been an issue of politeness and common sense. I have seen time and time again, non-smokers walk by a smoking area and loudly make rude and obnoxious statements to those of us in the area. That's not inconsiderate? I would never consider walking through the gym making comments about "addicted gym people". Or make rude comments to an overweight person because I see them eating an ice cream.

 

OK, getting off my soap box now, I have too go through my couch looking for coins to buy my next pack of cigarettes. WOW, it's going to take a lot of panhandling to pay for that 15 night cruise next month since "us smokers are all broke".

[Salty Dawg]

Sprinkles---Very well said and very true. We've been Princess cruisers for years and have over 30 cruises with them. We are trying HAL (cruised them a couple of times before) and if we like it, we'll be switching because we can smoke on the balconies with HAL.

 

We have encountered similar rude non-smokers and hope we do not encounter them on HAL. We generally ignore them, but the "in your face" stuff deserves sarcastic comments in return.

 

We just want to be able to smoke on our balcony, enjoy a coffee or other drink in peace and we hope that we can find that with HAL.

[scdreamer]

 

We just want to be able to smoke on our balcony, enjoy a coffee or other drink in peace and we hope that we can find that with HAL.

 

As a non smoker - I have to agree with you. As long as smokers follow the rules wherever they are, that should be enough.

 

As non smokers, we choose not to cruise HAL with a balcony. We understand that smoking is permitted on balconies on HAL, and if there is someone smoking near our balcony, it would negatively impact our comfort.

 

So - if we are going to cruise on HAL, we will not have a balcony. If we want a balcony, we will cruise on another line. Seems simple enough.

[Cashew14]

OK - Now I'm jumping in. Although, I think I'll stay away from the comment that "most smokers seem to be broke" - THAT'S JUST TOO HYSTERICAL FOR WORDS.

 

I'm only jumping in because I do believe that the cruise lines read these boards and I get tired of mostly the non or anti-smokers speaking their peace.

 

I LOVE cruising - period! My cruise experience has changed drastically because of these smoking issues, but I am trying to deal with the changes. I love Hal and Princess, although up until these smoking changes, I loved Princess more (Elite). I still cruise both lines. HAL - a balcony only and yes, find that I spend much more time in my cabin on HAL. Princess, I choose my inside cabin somewhere close to a smoking area.

 

My biggest irritation with this thread is the whole argument of all smokers being inconsiderate and the idea that no one ever complains of inconsiderate non-smokers. Well, OK let me voice my complaints on the inconsiderate non-smokers that I have encountered.

 

I have seen it go from the simple coughing and waving thing that has gone on for years. To the women who proudly wrote on this board - how she would "hold her breath and run through the casino to get to the showroom". Until one evening when it was too crowded and she was running out of breath - so she started running faster and "knocked a women over sending the lady's drink into the air and the women to the floor". She claimed she kept running and never looked back. To me that is beyond rude and in "my world" I consider that assault. When all the women simply had to do, was go up one flight of stairs or use the elevator to go to the showroom without going through the casino.

 

Rude non-smoker? Last year I was gambling in the casino (and yes smoking) when a hysterical women came up to me screaming hysterically and pointing (inches from my face) at me saying "you are a horrible person and should be ashamed of yourself" over and over again. She was banned from the casino for the rest of the cruise (a 28 day one to be exact).

 

I have story after story that I "could" tell about rude and inconsiderate non-smokers. That same 28 day cruise on a large ship, I watched day after day, non-smokers filling the smoking side of the aft pool tables, when the non-smoking side was completely empty.

 

To me it has always simply been an issue of politeness and common sense. I have seen time and time again, non-smokers walk by a smoking area and loudly make rude and obnoxious statements to those of us in the area. That's not inconsiderate? I would never consider walking through the gym making comments about "addicted gym people". Or make rude comments to an overweight person because I see them eating an ice cream.

 

OK, getting off my soap box now, I have too go through my couch looking for coins to buy my next pack of cigarettes. WOW, it's going to take a lot of panhandling to pay for that 15 night cruise next month since "us smokers are all broke".

 

Great post Sprinkles, could not agree more. :)

[startwin]

OK - Now I'm jumping in. Although, I think I'll stay away from the comment that "most smokers seem to be broke" - THAT'S JUST TOO HYSTERICAL FOR WORDS.

 

I'm only jumping in because I do believe that the cruise lines read these boards and I get tired of mostly the non or anti-smokers speaking their peace.

 

I LOVE cruising - period! My cruise experience has changed drastically because of these smoking issues, but I am trying to deal with the changes. I love Hal and Princess, although up until these smoking changes, I loved Princess more (Elite). I still cruise both lines. HAL - a balcony only and yes, find that I spend much more time in my cabin on HAL. Princess, I choose my inside cabin somewhere close to a smoking area.

 

My biggest irritation with this thread is the whole argument of all smokers being inconsiderate and the idea that no one ever complains of inconsiderate non-smokers. Well, OK let me voice my complaints on the inconsiderate non-smokers that I have encountered.

 

I have seen it go from the simple coughing and waving thing that has gone on for years. To the women who proudly wrote on this board - how she would "hold her breath and run through the casino to get to the showroom". Until one evening when it was too crowded and she was running out of breath - so she started running faster and "knocked a women over sending the lady's drink into the air and the women to the floor". She claimed she kept running and never looked back. To me that is beyond rude and in "my world" I consider that assault. When all the women simply had to do, was go up one flight of stairs or use the elevator to go to the showroom without going through the casino.

 

Rude non-smoker? Last year I was gambling in the casino (and yes smoking) when a hysterical women came up to me screaming hysterically and pointing (inches from my face) at me saying "you are a horrible person and should be ashamed of yourself" over and over again. She was banned from the casino for the rest of the cruise (a 28 day one to be exact).

 

I have story after story that I "could" tell about rude and inconsiderate non-smokers. That same 28 day cruise on a large ship, I watched day after day, non-smokers filling the smoking side of the aft pool tables, when the non-smoking side was completely empty.

 

To me it has always simply been an issue of politeness and common sense. I have seen time and time again, non-smokers walk by a smoking area and loudly make rude and obnoxious statements to those of us in the area. That's not inconsiderate? I would never consider walking through the gym making comments about "addicted gym people". Or make rude comments to an overweight person because I see them eating an ice cream.

 

OK, getting off my soap box now, I have too go through my couch looking for coins to buy my next pack of cigarettes. WOW, it's going to take a lot of panhandling to pay for that 15 night cruise next month since "us smokers are all broke".

 

 

Good lord, you cannot accuse all non-smokers of being rude or inconsiderate no more than we can say smokers are all the same. But you do seem to be lumping all of us who do not smoke together. I too, have held my breath while walking very swiftly through the casino (not by choice, but just to get to the other side). We too could tell story after story about obnoxious and inconsiderate smokers. But that doesn't mean they are all the same.