Smoking Policy (More...)

[chrispb]

What I actually said was, Imo people who choose to smoke on private balconies (knowing their smoke may bother their neoghbors) are inconsiderate.

 

Smokers have paid to use their balconies too:) It works both ways. Smokers have been hounded from many parts of the ship, remember.

[chrispb]

1) I've already gone tnrough a process of elimination. The Statendam is tne only boat that meets our criteria

 

2) I'm not implying. I'm statting that, imo, a considerate smoker would not smoke on a balcony. A truly considerate smoker would smoke only in a location that could be easily avoided. One's own private balcony can't be easily avoided.

 

Perhaps you need to weigh up which is more important to you - the itinerary or the smoking. You can't complain after if you make the wrong choice.

[chrispb]

While I’m really loath to post on a “smoking” thread my irritation with the verbiage being used has reached its limit. The definition of considerate is ”thinking about the rights and feelings of other people”. As you will note, I have bolded the word “rights”. Under HAL’s current policy it is the right of anyone who books a balcony to smoke on it PERIOD. As a non-smoker it is not your right to attempt to deny or disregard the rights someone else or to belittle them for exercising their rights. That makes you the inconsiderate person. HAL is upfront about their policy and when a smoker books a balcony stateroom they are afforded the right by HAL to smoke on it. If a non-smoker books a balcony they are giving up their rights to possibly have a smoke free environment. If someone does not agree with the HAL’s policy then they shouldn’t spend their money on a balcony. But, by all means please, please, please stop calling those who paid for the right to smoke on their balconies and then do so inconsiderate.

 

Quite so:)

[zone8grandma]

Originally Posted by larsen

While I’m really loath to post on a “smoking” thread my irritation with the verbiage being used has reached its limit. The definition of considerate is ”thinking about the rights and feelings of other people”. As you will note, I have bolded the word “rights”. Under HAL’s current policy it is the right of anyone who books a balcony to smoke on it PERIOD. As a non-smoker it is not your right to attempt to deny or disregard the rights someone else or to belittle them for exercising their rights. That makes you the inconsiderate person. HAL is upfront about their policy and when a smoker books a balcony stateroom they are afforded the right by HAL to smoke on it. If a non-smoker books a balcony they are giving up their rights to possibly have a smoke free environment. If someone does not agree with the HAL’s policy then they shouldn’t spend their money on a balcony. But, by all means please, please, please stop calling those who paid for the right to smoke on their balconies and then do so inconsiderate.

 

1. The comparison of a smoker to Mother Nature is beyond silly.

2. I have made no attempt to deny the "rights" of smokers by stating my opinion that a considerate smoker would limit their smoking to areas that are easily avoided.

3. It's only a matter of time before HAL yields to the inevitable and prohibits smoking on balconies.

 

To the poster who noted that no smoking at all is allowed in glacier Bay - thank you. That is great to know.

[zone8grandma]

Perhaps you need to weigh up which is more important to you - the itinerary or the smoking. You can't complain after if you make the wrong choice.

 

We have decided to chance it. We chose (and paid extra) for a cabin as far forward as we could get - in order to hedge our bet....

It may or may not be an issue. it is an issue, then it will be our first and last HaL cruise.

Edited November 16, 2013 by zone8grandma

[OVgirl]

While I’m really loath to post on a “smoking” thread my irritation with the verbiage being used has reached its limit. The definition of considerate is ”thinking about the rights and feelings of other people”. As you will note, I have bolded the word “rights”. Under HAL’s current policy it is the right of anyone who books a balcony to smoke on it PERIOD. As a non-smoker it is not your right to attempt to deny or disregard the rights someone else or to belittle them for exercising their rights. That makes you the inconsiderate person. HAL is upfront about their policy and when a smoker books a balcony stateroom they are afforded the right by HAL to smoke on it. If a non-smoker books a balcony they are giving up their rights to possibly have a smoke free environment. If someone does not agree with the HAL’s policy then they shouldn’t spend their money on a balcony. But, by all means please, please, please stop calling those who paid for the right to smoke on their balconies and then do so inconsiderate.

 

Well said, thank you.

[CRUZBUDS]

As you will note, I have bolded the word “rights”.

 

Thanks noting it -- I hadn't noticed ;)

[midwest 852]

HATE HATE HATE the smell of smoke! When I smell it I move away it's my problem! I deal with it unstead of complaining about it!

 

HATE HATE HATE the smell of alcohol! When I smell it I move away it's my problem!

 

HATE HATE HATE people with B.O. They should be tossed overboard :)

[CRUZBUDS]

HATE HATE HATE the smell of smoke! When I smell it I move away it's my problem! I deal with it unstead of complaining about it!

 

How far away can you get on your balcony?

 

Yes, the smokers have every right in the world to smoke on their balcony on HAL. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise, just don't try to sell it as "considerate"

 

Smoking is fast becoming an anti-social behaviour, like any other drug addiction. That trend seems to make some smokers very angry. :)

[iancal]

This is a HAL problem, not a smokers problem. HAL makes the rules.

 

So if someone has a problem with it, don't accuse smokers of being inconsiderate. Take the issue up with HAL. Or just book on a different cruise line.

[midwest 852]

How far away can you get on your balcony?

 

Yes, the smokers have every right in the world to smoke on their balcony on HAL. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise, just don't try to sell it as "considerate"

 

Smoking is fast becoming an anti-social behaviour, like any other drug addiction. That trend seems to make some smokers very angry. :)

 

I can move a long way only book the PH vista ships! I would never sell you anything. :)

[mightycruisequeen]

How far away can you get on your balcony?

 

Yes, the smokers have every right in the world to smoke on their balcony on HAL. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise, just don't try to sell it as "considerate"

 

Smoking is fast becoming an anti-social behaviour, like any other drug addiction. That trend seems to make some smokers very angry. :)

 

My sentiments exactly. :)

[Fouremco]

If all the non-smokers played loud [pick your least favourite] music on their balconies from early in the morning until late at night, would they be considered "courteous" by the smokers, just because they aren't contravening policy? Should all those that don't like continuous loud music on the balconies simply be told to go to another cruise line?

 

Just curious.

 

[iancal]

No, but they could call the front desk and have someone deal with it.

 

Hardly a fair comparison.

 

My only point is that if you book a verandah on HAL in the expectation that your neighbours will not be smoking on their balcony, then there is something terribly wrong with your logic.

 

And if your neighbours smoking 'ruins' your vacation, then it is entirely your fault. Not HAL's, not your neighbours. YOU made the choice in the full knowledge that smoking is permitted. YOU had the option of selecting and inside/outside cabin, or a balcony on a different cruise line.

 

When all things are equal for us between cruise/ship options, HAL goes to the bottom of our list because of their smoking policy. As non smokers, we could hardly select HAL and then complain that smokers were smoking is designated smoking areas.

Edited November 16, 2013 by iancal

[peaches from georgia]

We have decided to chance it. We chose (and paid extra) for a cabin as far forward as we could get - in order to hedge our bet....

It may or may not be an issue. it is an issue, then it will be our first and last HaL cruise.

I noticed on another post you made that you say you are prone to seasickness and that you have not been on a cruise ship before though you have done some previous sailing. Far forward cabins are the ones that will feel the motion of the ocean the most and are usually avoided by experienced cruisers who have to deal with seasickness. Midship is the most stable area on a ship followed by aft with forward cabins being the most rocky. We were forward on our first cruise and I had a terrible time with the rolling motion. From then on we have been midship and I take Bonine beginning the night before the cruise and religiously every night thereafter no matter the condition of the sea.

[Fouremco]

No, but they could call the front desk and have someone deal with it.

On what basis? There is no more a prohibition against noise pollution on the balconies than there is against air pollution.

 

[iancal]

HAL has lots of rules. I sure that they could find one that fits the bill.

 

One of their rules is that smokers can only smoke in designated smoking areas. A cabin veranda happens to be one of those designated smoking areas.

I don't like it, but that is the policy that HAL has established.

 

When we cruise on a HAL ship, we do not go to the casino because of the smoke. Would it make sense for us to complain about the casino environment when we know ahead of time that it is a designated smoking area? No, we simply avoid it. Or we select a different cruise line if going to the casino means that much to us.

[kazu]

On what basis? There is no more a prohibition against noise pollution on the balconies than there is against air pollution.

 

 

Actually, there is something somewhere about being considerate to your neighbours. So, yes, whether you are very loud in your stateroom or on your balcony, a complaint can be made and the request would be made that you 'tone it down'.

[zone8grandma]

I noticed on another post you made that you say you are prone to seasickness and that you have not been on a cruise ship before though you have done some previous sailing. Far forward cabins are the ones that will feel the motion of the ocean the most and are usually avoided by experienced cruisers who have to deal with seasickness. Midship is the most stable area on a ship followed by aft with forward cabins being the most rocky. We were forward on our first cruise and I had a terrible time with the rolling motion. From then on we have been midship and I take Bonine beginning the night before the cruise and religiously every night thereafter no matter the condition of the sea.

 

Yes, I'm aware that the mid cabins are better as far as seasickness. But smoke makes me violently ill so it was a judgement call. Since I've been using the electronic arm band it has made an enormous difference.

[peaches from georgia]

Yes, I'm aware that the mid cabins are better as far as seasickness. But smoke makes me violently ill so it was a judgement call. Since I've been using the electronic arm band it has made an enormous difference.

VIOLENTLY ILL??? Geez, if it was just that you didn't like the smell of smoke I could understand taking a chance there might be a smoker on a neighboring balcony, but becoming "violently ill" from smoke nearby would make a non-smoking balcony my #1 priority when booking a cruise, not just something I would take a chance on. Actually balcony smoking came after quite a few other priorities on your list so "smoke makes me violently ill" sounds like it might be a little bit of an exaggeration? :confused:

[Fouremco]

Actually, there is something somewhere about being considerate to your neighbours. So, yes, whether you are very loud in your stateroom or on your balcony, a complaint can be made and the request would be made that you 'tone it down'.

Considerate for music volume, not for second-hand smoke. Sigh...

 

Edited November 16, 2013 by Fouremco

[Cashew14]

I am still waiting to hear how the funnels are making the radical non-smokers violently ill, have asthma attacks, can't breathe etc.

 

But of course, I forgot, they are avoiding the "smoking areas" :rolleyes:

[cruisin'girl]

I am still waiting to hear how the funnels are making the radical non-smokers violently ill, have asthma attacks, can't breathe etc.

 

But of course, I forgot, they are avoiding the "smoking areas" :rolleyes:

Notice how the goalposts keep moving? Originally the reasons for non-smoking areas was the fear of 2nd hand smoke causing cancer and all the complaints were based on medical concerns. Now it has moved to any hint of even a 'smell' of smoke must be eliminated and '3rd hand smoke' which of course is no more than the odor of smoke on a person after they have been smoking. I seriously doubt a smell is a carcinogen, but give them time. Nothing other than a total ban will satisfy; no compromise will ever be enough.

[Cashew14]

Notice how the goalposts keep moving? Originally the reasons for non-smoking areas was the fear of 2nd hand smoke causing cancer and all the complaints were based on medical concerns. Now it has moved to any hint of even a 'smell' of smoke must be eliminated and '3rd hand smoke' which of course is no more than the odor of smoke on a person after they have been smoking. I seriously doubt a smell is a carcinogen' date=' but give them time. Nothing other than a total ban will satisfy; no compromise will ever be enough.[/quote']

 

Totally agree...but it's easier to concentrate on others than on issues which are apparent hence my comment about the funnels....anyone concerned about their health should not cruise....full stop

[mamaofami]

So far, I haven't been bothered by smokers on the veranda next to me. My last two cruises were in lanais and lots of people had issues with paint smells as they painted the entire Lower Promenade deck and the smell came into the cabins. Hopefully, we will be OK on our upcoming cruise. I will be most unhappy, and not able to use the veranda if someone is smoking.