RCCL change in smoking policy

[sammee]

Apparently a couple people don't care to read this "old thread", situation has been resolved with OP, so why the snide remarks about it?

[LoveyHowell]

This was supposed to decimate business in NY. When we go out to dinner / show in NYC and hit bars afterwards they are crazy packed with business. Go figure. Smokers are getting less and less public space to smoke in. I don't even know how smokers afford it, but that's a whole different topic altogether. I say just smoke in the designated areas and enjoy and as a non-smoker I will stay out of your area and not bother you. :)

[Peachy59]

I was recently on Jewel and saw a person using an e-cig in the Schooner bar. I asked one of the bartenders about this and he said he would check to see if it was permissible. He returned a few minutes later and told it was all right to smoke there. I knew he was wrong but decided to leave the area instead. The next cruise I go on I will have a copy of RC policy on smoking with me and will show it to whoever makes another statement like that to me…………..

 

Wow! You left because someone was smoking an e-cig? Were you really that offended? Now, you will print out the policy and take it with you?! I'll bet you're a riot to cruise with.:eek::rolleyes:

[caribbean sailor]

I suspect there are a lot of reasons RCI and others banned smoking from balconies. I'm sure that cleaning is one issue. It's likely that those who have said "I'll continue to smoke on the balcony until they tell me to stop," are the same ones who said "I'll continue to smoke in the room until someone catches me and tells me to stop." Smokers just don't understand the impact they have on those around them. We have had more than one cruise where my wife (highly allergic to smoke) has been unable to even walk out on the balcony that I also paid a premium for, because of someone smoking 2 cabins away. On one cruise many years ago our friend's room was so saturated with stale smoke that it could not be eliminated. It was in the curtains, bed covers, etc. The cruise line tried but was unable to get rid of it. The ship was full so no chance to change rooms. If it had been our cabin we would not have been able to make the sailing.

Anyway, one point.... a number of years ago Princess had a fire on a ship that was caused by a cigarette thrown from a balcony that blew onto another balcony and landed in some towels (I think) that were on the chair. The towels ignited and the fire destroyed the cabin and damaged other cabins around it. One person died of a heart attack due during the emergency station muster. I suspect this incident was also one of the reasons the cruise lines are now enforcing this policy.

 

 

I am a non smoker been on twelve Royal Cruises.And not one time have i had a problem with someone smoking on their balcony.Also never seen smoke pouring into my balcony as some people have complained about.:rolleyes:

[tomatosauce]

Wow! You left because someone was smoking an e-cig? Were you really that offended? Now, you will print out the policy and take it with you?! I'll bet you're a riot to cruise with.:eek::rolleyes:

 

Technically (because of a lack of standards, law and inconsistent quality control in both the base unit and the consumables) e-cigarettes can actually be more toxic than traditional cigarettes.

[cello56]

I am a non smoker been on twelve Royal Cruises.And not one time have i had a problem with someone smoking on their balcony.Also never seen smoke pouring into my balcony as some people have complained about.:rolleyes:

 

Then trust me, you were very lucky.

[Adayatatime]

I'm a non smoker. But I like people who smoke in exactly the same way as people who don't. :D

[gerif]

This was supposed to decimate business in NY. When we go out to dinner / show in NYC and hit bars afterwards they are crazy packed with business. Go figure. Smokers are getting less and less public space to smoke in. I don't even know how smokers afford it, but that's a whole different topic altogether. I say just smoke in the designated areas and enjoy and as a non-smoker I will stay out of your area and not bother you. :)

 

Same here in NJ. A friend had just built a lovely sports bar adjacent to his restaurant with big screen TVs all over the place figuring the smoking crowd could use that and he would keep the restaurant smoke-free. The ban hit just before it was completed and he was envisioning bankruptcy. Guess what? The place is packed constantly as are other local establishments.

 

And the PP is correct - the potential harm from the chemicals used in ecigs has yet to be determined, so I'd just as soon avoid that "vapor" as well.

[Adayatatime]

Technically (because of a lack of standards, law and inconsistent quality control in both the base unit and the consumables) e-cigarettes can actually be more toxic than traditional cigarettes.

 

But why did that bother them? I've made a choice to sit a long way from lots of people - loud people, drunk people, people with hideous perfume on,mor worse, BO. You don't have to sit right next to someone with an e-cig.

[Adayatatime]

Same here in NJ. A friend had just built a lovely sports bar adjacent to his restaurant with big screen TVs all over the place figuring the smoking crowd could use that and he would keep the restaurant smoke-free. The ban hit just before it was completed and he was envisioning bankruptcy. Guess what? The place is packed constantly as are other local establishments.

 

And the PP is correct - the potential harm from the chemicals used in ecigs has yet to be determined, so I'd just as soon avoid that "vapor" as well.

 

What about other, none-determined vapours? Additives? Non-organic foods? Colourings?

[caribbean sailor]

I guess opening doors for ladies, saying please and thank you, and being courteous to those around you are also things of the past and people should adapt to that as well, eh? :rolleyes:

 

Think i will press the like button on this.:)

[DShock]

My father was a life long smoker before he passed. He did manage to quit a few years before he developed cancer...lung cancer. We paid for my mom and dad to cruise with us on Splendor of the Seas several years back. He was so excited he decided to use the cruise as a starting point to quit. He did indeed do that and was a non-smoker till the day he died...we were so proud of him. Lung cancer is a terrible thing to watch, a terrible way to die. Maybe your loved one could be motivated to use this as his awakening...that he should stop and use the spectacular nature of the cruise and the destination you are heading as his motivation. Its not a matter of whether smoking will kill you, its when and how.

[papaflamingo]

I am a non smoker been on twelve Royal Cruises.And not one time have i had a problem with someone smoking on their balcony.Also never seen smoke pouring into my balcony as some people have complained about.:rolleyes:

 

 

As some one said you have been lucky. But my wife is highly allergic to smoke. Trust me, I don't randomly make this up, and neither does anyone else. If smoking on a balcony near someone's cabin was undetectable, no one would know it was being done, nor care. But we have been on a few cruises where, due to a smoker in an adjacent balcony, my wife was unable to use our balcony. Believe me, don't believe me, I don't really care. But the attitude that someone should be able to do anything that negatively affects those around them is just rude and selfish. That goes for smoking, excessive drunkeness, loud noise, excessive swearing, etc. I never once asked someone not to smoke on a balcony since it was ok. Now that the rules have changed, the smokers just need to abide by them. That's just the way it goes.

 

 

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[njmomof2]

But why did that bother them? I've made a choice to sit a long way from lots of people - loud people, drunk people, people with hideous perfume on,mor worse, BO. You don't have to sit right next to someone with an e-cig.

 

Don't choose to sit near someone smoking or using an e-cig. But what about those who decide that the ban on indoor smoking doesn't apply to them and pull out one of these e-cigs in a restaurant or diner? And you're sitting in the next booth or table? Am I expected to get up and ask to be moved so that I don't have to sit next to someone using one of these things that have not been properly evaluated by appropriate medical authorities as to what possible harmful effects their "vapor" can have on those of us nearby?

 

E-cigs are banned in NJ just like cigarettes are...but some people who decide the vapor is harmless and doesn't smell and can't hurt you have decided that they shouldn't be restricted by the law and take them out. And this person using the e-cig in the diner where I had lunch recently...the fact that they kept it under the table and would lean down to take a puff, hiding it from those around them, indicated to me that they KNEW they shouldn't have been doing it, but did it anyway.

 

My dad was a smoker from the time he was a young man (under 18) until he was about 36 or so. Quit cold turkey when I was about 6. We believed all those reports that your risk for lung cancer drops dramatically when you quit. Well, the laugh was on us. He died 30 years later, at 66, from lung cancer. From the day we found out to the day he died, it was one month. Trust me, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Big_G]

I'm a non smoker. But I like people who smoke in exactly the same way as people who don't. :D

 

Hmmm...I dislike smokers as much as non-smokers but depending on how you look at it, we could be on the same page. :D

[gerif]

What about other, none-determined vapours? Additives? Non-organic foods? Colourings?

 

What about them? We're discussing something that is clearly not permitted and that no one should be subjected to. Let me know when laws are passed concerning these other items. Not saying that they are not potentially harmful, just saying I have no right to insist that no one is allowed to subject me to them.

[Sitzmark]

Does anyone else see these threads come back and marvel at the re-animation of old conversations? It's night of the living dead threads.

[Adayatatime]

What about them? We're discussing something that is clearly not permitted and that no one should be subjected to. Let me know when laws are passed concerning these other items. Not saying that they are not potentially harmful, just saying I have no right to insist that no one is allowed to subject me to them.

 

Ok fair enough. I just don't understand why others are so bothered about this one thing, and not the tons of other stuff we might all do to harm ourselves or others.

[Out to sea!]

As some one said you have been lucky. But my wife is highly allergic to smoke. Trust me, I don't randomly make this up, and neither does anyone else. If smoking on a balcony near someone's cabin was undetectable, no one would know it was being done, nor care. But we have been on a few cruises where, due to a smoker in an adjacent balcony, my wife was unable to use our balcony. Believe me, don't believe me, I don't really care. But the attitude that someone should be able to do anything that negatively affects those around them is just rude and selfish. That goes for smoking, excessive drunkeness, loud noise, excessive swearing, etc. I never once asked someone not to smoke on a balcony since it was ok. Now that the rules have changed, the smokers just need to abide by them. That's just the way it goes.

 

 

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So let me ask this question, if your wife is allergic to smoke, why dis she (you) put her in harm's way by booking a balcony on a cruise line that allowed smoking on it's balcony?? Why not book an OV or Inside? Or, if a balcony was a requirement, book a cruise line that didn't allow smoking on the balcony? People putting themselves in harm's way and then complaining about said harm just don't get any sympathy in my book. That would be like standing on train tracks in the middle of the night and complain a train almost ran you over. :rolleyes:

[Captain Jake]

Next they need to ban smoking in the casino

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[LMaxwell]

So let me ask this question, if your wife is allergic to smoke, why dis she (you) put her in harm's way by booking a balcony on a cruise line that allowed smoking on it's balcony?? Why not book an OV or Inside? Or, if a balcony was a requirement, book a cruise line that didn't allow smoking on the balcony? People putting themselves in harm's way and then complaining about said harm just don't get any sympathy in my book. That would be like standing on train tracks in the middle of the night and complain a train almost ran you over. :rolleyes:

 

In the past booking a balcony was not a guarantee of a smoker next to you or otherwise affecting your use / enjoyment of the balcony, but it WAS a gamble.

 

The person you replied to was relaying that on that particular occasion they lost on that gamble.

 

I don't necessarily view it as intentionally putting someone in harms way since there is no way to know until you show up if there would be a smoker present / nearby. Now RCI has removed the "gamble" part of it, or at least attempted to, by revising their policy.

[Woe is me]

Wow a smoking thread about something that is not smoke!:confused:

[Out to sea!]

In the past booking a balcony was not a guarantee of a smoker next to you or otherwise affecting your use / enjoyment of the balcony, but it WAS a gamble.

 

The person you replied to was relaying that on that particular occasion they lost on that gamble.

 

I don't necessarily view it as intentionally putting someone in harms way since there is no way to know until you show up if there would be a smoker present / nearby. Now RCI has removed the "gamble" part of it, or at least attempted to, by revising their policy.

 

Yes, it was a gamble and that's why I was asking. Since one knows it's a gamble and with a spouse who is allergic to something that could legally happen (at that point in time), why would someone take such a gamble? Maybe it's just me but I don't have a habit of gambling when my families health or safety is at stake.

[The Sunset Glow]

Yes, it was a gamble and that's why I was asking. Since one knows it's a gamble and with a spouse who is allergic to something that could legally happen (at that point in time), why would someone take such a gamble? Maybe it's just me but I don't have a habit of gambling when my families health or safety is at stake.

 

 

Let me spell it out for you. Obviously this is a past tense scenario since the smoking policy has changed.

 

When you like a certain cruise line you book with them even if there's that one thing you don't like - IMO you just won't find that 100% perfect cruise line. So you go with your preference and then have to choose a cabin.

 

Two choices:

1) choose cabin without balcony - this results in 0% chance of enjoying a balcony view.

2) choose a balcony cabin - this results in about an 80% chance of enjoying a balcony view (I based this on about 20% of adult population being smokers)

 

When you absolutely love having a balcony you'll probably take the gamble. 80% is pretty good odds don't you think? Sometimes the gamble didn't work and you can't use the balcony as much as you'd like so you stay inside. C'est la vie.

 

No one is risking their health on the gamble they're just risking the loss of the extra cost of the balcony if they can't use it.

 

Now if they'd just ban casino smoking:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited June 14, 2014 by The Sunset Glow

[boaterette]

Let me spell it out for you. Obviously this is a past tense scenario since the smoking policy has changed.

 

When you like a certain cruise line you book with them even if there's that one thing you don't like - IMO you just won't find that 100% perfect cruise line. So you go with your preference and then have to choose a cabin.

 

Two choices:

1) choose cabin without balcony - this results in 0% chance of enjoying a balcony view.

2) choose a balcony cabin - this results in about an 80% chance of enjoying a balcony view (I based this on about 20% of adult population being smokers)

 

When you absolutely love having a balcony you'll probably take the gamble. 80% is pretty good odds don't you think? Sometimes the gamble didn't work and you can't use the balcony as much as you'd like so you stay inside. C'est la vie.

 

No one is risking their health on the gamble they're just risking the loss of the extra cost of the balcony if they can't use it.

 

Now if they'd just ban casino smoking:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Since she was replying to someone who said his wife was highly allergic to smoke, they were in fact risking their health knowingly. did you read the post?