Possible missing passenger - Liberty

[Computer Nerd]

Excuse me? What on earth are you trying to say? I wasn't going to reply again on this thread but I can't help it with this comment.

 

everyone during the check in process must fill out a health form. so, if as some has suggested her that she had some type of mental health issue instead of a spur of the moment fight or being drunk, then she must have lied on her form by stating that she had no health problems. if she actually had depression issues or suicidal thoughts and had stated them on the form, she wouldn't have sailed and she would still be alive based on people's assumptions that she wasn't drunk but could have had mental problems.

[Computer Nerd]

LOL! I agree about the comment. No one answers those health forms truthfully, and who in their mentally ill mind would say that they're crazy and suicidal? It made me laugh!

 

well at least we'll know where the source of the next noro outbreak came from. :rolleyes:

[Loucat]

I do not expect understanding of my post. I have witnessed rescues at sea and through the efforts of the crew, those overboard were rescued.

This person went overboard for reasons unknown. Speculation of friends, alcohol, suicide etc are only that. I hope her friends and family have broad shoulders to read the many negative speculations posted, especially suicide.

For someone to post the person should have admitted to suicidal behavior before sailing, what is up with that?

Only Carnival and the FBI have facts.

I cannot imagine the four children of this mom expecting her return and then what? She is lost forever and they will never forget that.

There is no closure for them. No mom and no explanation of what happened to her. That is where information and support should focus.

Can you imagine what these kids will live with?

[joeyancho]

everyone during the check in process must fill out a health form. so, if as some has suggested her that she had some type of mental health issue instead of a spur of the moment fight or being drunk, then she must have lied on her form by stating that she had no health problems. if she actually had depression issues or suicidal thoughts and had stated them on the form, she wouldn't have sailed and she would still be alive based on people's assumptions that she wasn't drunk but could have had mental problems.

 

Not sure the health form is for mental health issues. If so the ship would be empty. Pretty sure it is for contagious disease.

[elliair]

well at least we'll know where the source of the next noro outbreak came from. :rolleyes:

 

It won't be coming from me. I've never had noro on any cruise ship, but I've been on cruise ships that had noro on board. Mostly on Princess. I see people licking their fingers then going back into the buffet serving themselves. On the Coral Princess I saw this woman in the buffet serving area working over a piece of pineapple. She had it in her mouth and the only thing you could see was the rind sticking out from her lips. She spots the whipped cream, walks over to it grabs the spoon and slathers the whipped cream all over the piece of pineapple that she plopped out of her mouth. Then she puts the spoon back into the whipped cream. I came unglued. I think I went temporarily insane and gave her a what for and how when. She high tailed it out of the buffet, she knew I was furious. People who are ignorant shouldn't be allowed on a cruise ship. Maybe a manners test should be given before anyone can board. LOL!:D

[WLHyatt]

everyone during the check in process must fill out a health form. so, if as some has suggested her that she had some type of mental health issue instead of a spur of the moment fight or being drunk, then she must have lied on her form by stating that she had no health problems. if she actually had depression issues or suicidal thoughts and had stated them on the form, she wouldn't have sailed and she would still be alive based on people's assumptions that she wasn't drunk but could have had mental problems.

 

That form is specific to ebola and doesn't refer to anything mental or otherwise health related. Just mentioning that form in regards to this suggests that the form isn't read in general.

 

I just read ours tonight because we sail this weekend!

[BallFour4]

Carnival has a problem, this is not the first person to go overboard sailing out of Galveston!

 

 

Would love hear how it's a Carnival problem. It's passenger behavior. Do you blame Chevrolet for drunk drivers?

 

 

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[Dave994]

everyone during the check in process must fill out a health form. so, if as some has suggested her that she had some type of mental health issue instead of a spur of the moment fight or being drunk, then she must have lied on her form by stating that she had no health problems. if she actually had depression issues or suicidal thoughts and had stated them on the form, she wouldn't have sailed and she would still be alive based on people's assumptions that she wasn't drunk but could have had mental problems.

 

 

There is nothing on that form from what I can recall about mental illness.

 

Nor should there be.

[Susieq0102]

Been following this thread since Friday, how sad. It's a shame she's lost her life, and left her husband and children to always kind of wonder what exactly happened and what was she thinking. I know it was reported that she sat on a railing and fell backwards. SO much speculation on here that maybe she drank to much. Why was she alone? In the end, none of it makes a difference. She did something stupid and unfortunately lost her life for it. We've all done stupid things, hindsight is 20/20. There is a lot of stupid stuff I've done, and looking back I think about how much of a different outcome there could've been. So regardless if she was drunk, suicidal, or just not thinking... a life was lost. Young kids now don't have their mother and a man is widowed. There seems to be a lot of arguing on this thread about this law and that law. Truth is, it just doesn't matter at the end of the day. She's gone and bickering and go back and forth about "woulda coulda shoulda's" won't bring her back. My thoughts and prayers are with her family, I hope they can find some sort of peace in all of this.

 

Very well said!!! :)

[Jackie81]

Very well said!!! :)

 

 

Thank you!

[triptolemus]

Been following this thread since Friday, how sad. It's a shame she's lost her life, and left her husband and children to always kind of wonder what exactly happened and what was she thinking. I know it was reported that she sat on a railing and fell backwards. SO much speculation on here that maybe she drank to much. Why was she alone? In the end, none of it makes a difference. She did something stupid and unfortunately lost her life for it. We've all done stupid things, hindsight is 20/20. There is a lot of stupid stuff I've done, and looking back I think about how much of a different outcome there could've been. So regardless if she was drunk, suicidal, or just not thinking... a life was lost. Young kids now don't have their mother and a man is widowed. There seems to be a lot of arguing on this thread about this law and that law. Truth is, it just doesn't matter at the end of the day. She's gone and bickering and go back and forth about "woulda coulda shoulda's" won't bring her back. My thoughts and prayers are with her family, I hope they can find some sort of peace in all of this.

 

Coulda, woulda, shouldas absolutely won't bring her back. But the real truth is that eventually, the discussion progresses beyond the "oh how sad, thoughts and prayers" stuff and into areas where viable solutions might be discovered. So, coulda-woulda-shouldas (aka, hypotheticals) are sort of important. In fact, hypotheticals -- being based squarely in scientific method -- are a key component to incident investigation, hazard identification, solution development, and implementation.

 

Discussion of true causal factors isn't always nice and lovely and very often comes across as callous, when the intent is ultimately opposite.

 

ETA: I'm not saying we're going to solve it here in this thread. I believe moving the discussion past "how sad..." can help folks understand why things are the way they are, or perhaps form a more insightful opinion on the matter.

Edited May 17, 2016 by triptolemus

[cruzelover55]

It won't be coming from me. I've never had noro on any cruise ship, but I've been on cruise ships that had noro on board. Mostly on Princess. I see people licking their fingers then going back into the buffet serving themselves. On the Coral Princess I saw this woman in the buffet serving area working over a piece of pineapple. She had it in her mouth and the only thing you could see was the rind sticking out from her lips. She spots the whipped cream, walks over to it grabs the spoon and slathers the whipped cream all over the piece of pineapple that she plopped out of her mouth. Then she puts the spoon back into the whipped cream. I came unglued. I think I went temporarily insane and gave her a what for and how when. She high tailed it out of the buffet, she knew I was furious. People who are ignorant shouldn't be allowed on a cruise ship. Maybe a manners test should be given before anyone can board. LOL!:D

 

My husband always reminds me when I get on a rant about things like you spoke of, it is not illegal to be stupid. (I sometimes think it should be!) I was at a very nice land based buffet, a lady was walking around with a fork and trying a bite here, a bite there. I, too, went NUTS! Though we are off the subject, a little icky humor might not be so bad to lighten up a horrible incident. Feel so bad for the family.

[#55worktoplay]

We're all paying for air scrubbers to be retrofitted in the smoking casinos when some of us will still avoid casinos where smoking is allowed. Haven't heard complaints about that.

 

I'm no expert but I believe the scrubbers are for the diesel generators to lesson the pollutants in the air that they cause and not for the casino smoke. I'm not looking for a debate just work in the IT field was responsible for procuring scrubbers for that reason.

 

I would also send prayers to the family and friends of the person who went overboard however it may have happened. I would be happy to see ships retrofitted to save even one life even if it costs me at the end of the day.

Edited May 17, 2016 by #55worktoplay

[Jackie81]

 

ETA: I'm not saying we're going to solve it here in this thread. I believe moving the discussion past "how sad..." can help folks understand why things are the way they are, or perhaps form a more insightful opinion on the matter.

 

 

Oh no, I definitely get what you are saying, and agree. When I posted this, there was A TON of back and forth name calling and the "I'm right and you're wrong" about this law or that law. Then it came down to "Woulda, coulda, shoulda's." and people being called out for how they felt and so on and so forth. It truly felt that the life lost made no difference at that point. Please note, that not to long after I posted my original post, the thread got shorter and some of those posts were deleted.

[triptolemus]

Oh no, I definitely get what you are saying, and agree. When I posted this, there was A TON of back and forth name calling and the "I'm right and you're wrong" about this law or that law. Then it came down to "Woulda, coulda, shoulda's." and people being called out for how they felt and so on and so forth. It truly felt that the life lost made no difference at that point. Please note, that not to long after I posted my original post, the thread got shorter and some of those posts were deleted.

 

Agreed, yeah... that did happen.

[maureencruiser]

Txchick, I made your picture a little bigger.

 

[cruzelover55]

Understood, my good person, and thanks for the clarification. :)

 

I'm a bit of a computer nerd myself!:D

 

loubetti, this is totally off the subject. Just wanted to let you know we lurked here for years, finally joined, finally started posting (though some have probably wished we hadn't) We have always enjoyed your posts, very well written and thought out. Whether we agreed with them or not, we appreciated your insight. Have always thought when I see your pic, my husband agrees, it looks like the guy on Criminal Minds. Can't think of his name. Original seasons. Manny P? Just saying....:)

[Raxter54]

loubetti, this is totally off the subject. Just wanted to let you know we lurked here for years, finally joined, finally started posting (though some have probably wished we hadn't) We have always enjoyed your posts, very well written and thought out. Whether we agreed with them or not, we appreciated your insight. Have always thought when I see your pic, my husband agrees, it looks like the guy on Criminal Minds. Can't think of his name. Original seasons. Manny P? Just saying....:)

 

Mandy Patinkin - also played Inigo Montoya in Princess Bride....

 

And in reality, Mandy looks like Lou :-)

Edited May 17, 2016 by Raxter54

[missholly24]

Coulda, woulda, shouldas absolutely won't bring her back. But the real truth is that eventually, the discussion progresses beyond the "oh how sad, thoughts and prayers" stuff and into areas where viable solutions might be discovered. So, coulda-woulda-shouldas (aka, hypotheticals) are sort of important. In fact, hypotheticals -- being based squarely in scientific method -- are a key component to incident investigation, hazard identification, solution development, and implementation.

 

Discussion of true causal factors isn't always nice and lovely and very often comes across as callous, when the intent is ultimately opposite.

 

ETA: I'm not saying we're going to solve it here in this thread. I believe moving the discussion past "how sad..." can help folks understand why things are the way they are, or perhaps form a more insightful opinion on the matter.

 

I love love love your response. This is exactly how I feel. I don't know this woman and of course feel bad her family is going through this. However, I am reading and learning what happened to make sure a crime wasn't committed here. I go on several cruises and would like to still believe they are very safe. 27 people went overboard last year out of about 20 million cruisers. Its no "accident" when it happens. It sounds cold to chalk it up to another suicide, drunk, or simply putting oneself in a very dangerous situation scenario, but that is the truth. I myself will NEVER be caught alone outside at 2 am on a cruiseship (or on dry land) so I can rest assure I won't end up overboard.

[mystic51]

How can people say it's "no accident".. there's no way of knowing what happened.. she may or may not have been intoxicated. She might have just wanted to go up on deck before going to her room to walk around when no one else was there, not the best decision, but we don't always make the wisest choices... might have tried taking a "selfie".. thought it would fun to send it to someone back home. We don't know... never will, but why are we so judgmental. She had a family, young children that will never see their mother again.. no closure. An incident that will effect the rest of their lives. We don't need to be assuming the worse.. she made a poor choice and paid the ultimate price.. God Bless her family...

[ScottsSweetie]

How can people say it's "no accident".. there's no way of knowing what happened.. she may or may not have been intoxicated. She might have just wanted to go up on deck before going to her room to walk around when no one else was there, not the best decision, but we don't always make the wisest choices... might have tried taking a "selfie".. thought it would fun to send it to someone back home. We don't know... never will, but why are we so judgmental. She had a family, young children that will never see their mother again.. no closure. An incident that will effect the rest of their lives. We don't need to be assuming the worse.. she made a poor choice and paid the ultimate price.. God Bless her family...

 

It was no "accident" that she was atop the railing - it was a deliberate action, even having to use some type of speaker to give her height to get there. She did technically "fall" from the railing, but she was not there by accident.

[fin]

Well, "she paid the price" and her family is paying the price, and some people here are absolutely willing to let future cruisers pay the price for upgrades to try to keep the 27 people out of 20 million from killing themselves.

[LMaxwell]

I'm no expert but I believe the scrubbers are for the diesel generators to lesson the pollutants in the air that they cause and not for the casino smoke. I'm not looking for a debate just work in the IT field was responsible for procuring scrubbers for that reason.

 

There are air scrubbers, smoke eaters, being installed in the casinos to clean internal air so it doesn't smell like smoke.

 

Totally separate from EPA mandated scrubbers on diesel exhaust.

[triptolemus]

How can people say it's "no accident"..

 

It's no accident.

 

A slip and fall on the pool deck is an accident.

 

You don't accidentally go over the rail. Either someone puts you over the rail, or you put yourself over the rail. No accident.

[LMaxwell]

It was no "accident" that she was atop the railing - it was a deliberate action, even having to use some type of speaker to give her height to get there. She did technically "fall" from the railing, but she was not there by accident.

 

I think you are missing the point.

 

It may not have been a deliberate jumping or any foul play; just the result of a poor decision = accidental as opposed to going over on purpose.

 

We might not ever learn what really happened that night but I bet Carnival disclaims all liability, and the family fights to make sure it is ruled accidental and not a suicide or foul play (if there is life insurance at play here).