Any News on ship Passengers being detained?

[mafig]

Without intention of getting 'into politics' or expressing an opinion..........

 

My memory is that is a quote fromformer president Barack Obama, spoken in his second term

 

Yep.

[LHT28]

On a National Canadian News report last night at 11 they said that in total this ban as in place currently affected 100,000 Canadians.

Is that figure for people heading to the USA or people living in Canada that could be affected by the new order if they want to go to the USA ?

 

Maybe not all of the 100,000 would even venture south of the border

Edited January 29, 2017 by LHT28

[calliopecruiser]

I'd be very surprised to learn there acrually are some people f rom Syria,, Iraq, Yemen etc flying to U.S. to board a cruise ship. :eek:

It's not just people FROM there, it's people who are citizens of there, even if they are also citizens of another country, or if they are legally living elsewhere. Maybe they already live in the US, with green cards and families and jobs. Or maybe they're taking a cruise ship to the US, with the intention of flying home. Maybe they're dual citizens of one of those countries and Britain or Brazil, who are joining family in the US for an Alaskan cruise.

 

There are so many possible scenarios where citizens of one of the listed countries could be cruising to or from the US.

[Karysa]

They're not citizens of US yet?

 

I'm not familiar AT ALL with US duel citizenship except when it comes to US-Canadian. Can someone be holding a US citizenship AND be a citizen from one of the currently banned countries? That information would help me understand some of the posts on here better.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Karysa

[SuiteTraveler]

As this is affecting a British Olympic champion (born in Somalia) and a member of the UK parliament (born in Iraq), I am guessing it may well affect people flying to the US to join a cruise.

 

Why would the two people you mention be affected? If they are dual citizens, then they can travel to the US on their UK passport and leave the other one at home. If they have a UK passport they don't even have to have a Visa to enter the US as long as they don't stay more than 90 days.

[Karysa]

Is that figure for people heading to the USA or people living in Canada that could be affected by the new order if they want to go to the USA ?

 

Maybe not all of the 100,000 would even venture south of the border

 

I heard on the news last night that 100,000 people living in Canada COULD be affected, NOT are currently affected. Hope that clarifies that for you.

[Karysa]

As this is affecting a British Olympic champion (born in Somalia) and a member of the UK parliament (born in Iraq), I am guessing it may well affect people flying to the US to join a cruise.

 

I agree and it also could affect the cruise industry now and in the future if world citizens not currently banned supported those from places that are and changed their upcoming US port cruises to other destinations. People flying to a cruise from Britain would normally add a few days or more onto their cruise vacation so hotels, airlines, restaurants ect could lose revenue as well as the cruise lines. This ban has the interest of many people around the world and that includes cruisers and potential future cruisers.

[calliopecruiser]

Why would the two people you mention be affected? If they are dual citizens, then they can travel to the US on their UK passport and leave the other one at home. If they have a UK passport they don't even have to have a Visa to enter the US as long as they don't stay more than 90 days.

Wrong. If they are citizens of one of the banned countries, it will affect them, even if they hold citizenship of another country as well.

 

Apparently late last night (or very early this morning), they excluded Canadian citizens who hold dual citizenship with one of the banned countries. That makes it worse, IMO.

[Karysa]

Wrong. If they are citizens of one of the banned countries, it will affect them, even if they hold citizenship of another country as well.

 

Apparently late last night (or very early this morning), they excluded Canadian citizens who hold dual citizenship with one of the banned countries. That makes it worse, IMO.

 

Thank you, they did not say that on the News last night. Why do you think it makes it worse? I really enjoy hearing people's thoughts on current events.

[calliopecruiser]

Thank you, they did not say that on the News last night. Why do you think it makes it worse? I really enjoy hearing people's thoughts on current events.

Because it shows even more how irrational it is. The Canadian dual citizens are no more or less a threat than dual citizens so many other countries.

 

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" (George Orwell)

[Extra Kim]

I'm amazed about how many americans that don't even know what their president are doing and what impacts it causes.

[Koalacash]

Immigrated to the US five years ago from Syria with his wife and two kids. He applied for his green card and became a permanent resident alien with the plan of becoming a citizen. Last week his mother in Syria died so he went back to Syria for the funeral. He would have been not allowed to board the plane yesterday morning in Syria or he would have been turned back at customs in the US. Now his family is alone and without an income if he is the breadwinner until he can return in 90 days.

 

Or your sons college roommate from Iraq went home for a visit.

 

Or your high tech co-worker originally from Yemen was sent to France on business.

 

Or your buddy at the moose lodge originally from Iraq is scheduled to go on a cruise next week.

 

There are a lot of scenarios.

[slidergirl]

They're not citizens of US yet?

 

No. They have their green cards. No requirement that anyone must become a citizen, remember...

[SuiteTraveler]

I'm not familiar AT ALL with US duel citizenship except when it comes to US-Canadian. Can someone be holding a US citizenship AND be a citizen from one of the currently banned countries? That information would help me understand some of the posts on here better.

 

 

Yes you can be a US citizen and have dual citizenship with any country. People with dual citizenship simply enter and leave the US using their US passport. What passport dual citizens use to enter and leave their destination country is up to them and not governed by the US. This explains it:

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

[therhodes]

You don't even have to be trying to get in or back to the US, if your flight home from wherever even has a connection in the US, you could be screwed!!

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38786119

[slidergirl]

Immigrated to the US five years ago from Syria with his wife and two kids. He applied for his green card and became a permanent resident alien with the plan of becoming a citizen. Last week his mother in Syria died so he went back to Syria for the funeral. He would have been not allowed to board the plane yesterday morning in Syria or he would have been turned back at customs in the US. Now his family is alone and without an income if he is the breadwinner until he can return in 90 days.

 

Or your sons college roommate from Iraq went home for a visit.

 

Or your high tech co-worker originally from Yemen was sent to France on business.

 

Or your buddy at the moose lodge originally from Iraq is scheduled to go on a cruise next week.

 

There are a lot of scenarios.

 

That is a big "IF." No guarantee that he will be able to return in 90 days. No knowing what will happen. They may say "well, we don't have the ban anymore, but each individual who has been banned and is waiting to return must first go through a series of extreme vetting procedures. These procedures may take up to 4 years." Just long enough to last through his possible first (and hopefully only) term as President (unless he is impeached and removed from office or is actually found mentally incompetent to serve).

[SuiteTraveler]

No. They have their green cards. No requirement that anyone must become a citizen, remember...

 

Which places them in a kind of nether world where they are NOT afforded all the protections of a US citizen and should they commit a felony, they can be deported to their home country and never again be legally allowed to return to the US.

[Karysa]

Yes you can be a US citizen and have dual citizenship with any country. People with dual citizenship simply enter and leave the US using their US passport. What passport dual citizens use to enter and leave their destination country is up to them and not governed by the US. This explains it:

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

 

Thank you for this information.

[SuiteTraveler]

Wrong. If they are citizens of one of the banned countries, it will affect them, even if they hold citizenship of another country as well.

 

WRONG. Apparently late last night (or very early this morning), they excluded Canadian citizens who hold dual citizenship with one of the banned countries. That makes it worse, IMO.

 

That was a rumor yesterday but was clarified that all Canadian citizens traveling on Canadian passports will be treated like Canadians.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-affected-trump-travel-ban-refugees-immigrants-1.3957059

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-holding-dual-citizenship-with-countries-targeted-by-immigration-ban-cant-enter-u-s

 

"The Trudeau government has received assurances that Canadian passport holders will not be caught up in an American travel ban that has barred citizens of seven countries from entering the United States.

 

An email from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office late Saturday said the U.S. has given assurances that Canadians with dual citizenship will not be turned away at the border.

 

“We have been assured that Canadian citizens travelling on Canadian passports will be dealt with in the usual process,” said the email from Kate Purchase, Trudeau’s director of communications."

Edited January 29, 2017 by SuiteTraveler

[42CruiseCrazy]

On a National Canadian News report last night at 11 they said that in total this ban as in place currently affected 100,000 Canadians.

 

 

 

Canadians born in the listed countries with a valid Canadian passport will not be detained. Landed immigrants from those countries (even in Canada legally) will not be admitted into the US to take their cruise, let alone getting back into the US after the cruise. Any passengers that need to cancel should contact the cruise line for a refund (that's what the airlines are doing). It's probably only a handful of cruise passengers and hopefully the cruise lines will be understanding.

 

 

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[Karysa]

That was a rumor yesterday but was clarified that all Canadian citizens traveling on Canadian passports will be treated like Canadians.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-affected-trump-travel-ban-refugees-immigrants-1.3957059

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-holding-dual-citizenship-with-countries-targeted-by-immigration-ban-cant-enter-u-s

 

"The Trudeau government has received assurances that Canadian passport holders will not be caught up in an American travel ban that has barred citizens of seven countries from entering the United States.

 

An email from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office late Saturday said the U.S. has given assurances that Canadians with dual citizenship will not be turned away at the border.

 

“We have been assured that Canadian citizens travelling on Canadian passports will be dealt with in the usual process,” said the email from Kate Purchase, Trudeau’s director of communications."

 

Apparently duel citizen Canadians and banned country citizens, were included in the ban originally. Conversations between the US and Canadian state departments ensued and then this was changed.

[42CruiseCrazy]

I'd be very surprised to learn there acrually are some people f rom Syria,, Iraq, Yemen etc flying to U.S. to board a cruise ship. :eek:

 

 

 

Probably not, but there are hundreds of thousands of people legally living, working, paying taxes in the US and Canada that are affected by this ridiculous ban.

 

 

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[Karysa]

Canadians born in the listed countries with a valid Canadian passport will not be detained. Landed immigrants from those countries (even in Canada legally) will not be admitted into the US to take their cruise, let alone getting back into the US after the cruise. Any passengers that need to cancel should contact the cruise line for a refund (that's what the airlines are doing). It's probably only a handful of cruise passengers and hopefully the cruise lines will be understanding.

 

 

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Yes the rules have changed since first made. Canadian passport holders even those from the banned countries are now presently permitted in the US.

[42CruiseCrazy]

Yes, Canadian & US passport holders need not worry. It's landed immigrant and green card holders who are still citizens of the banned countries, legally living in the US & Canada that are trapped in their countries where they reside, unable to travel into or out of the US.

 

 

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Edited January 29, 2017 by 42CruiseCrazy

[Debbers]

A Federal JJudge ruled those with valid visas will not be held.

 

People are nonetheless being denied entry, despite their legal status as residents. It's disgraceful.