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Sadly, it does not look too elegant, from the impression; especially looking at the forward lines.

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Don't get to excited! Look at the current P&O Arcadia, ordered in 2000 for Holland America, then it was going to be Cunard QV and ended up as P&O Arcadia! Anything can happen in 5 years, and the UK could be in a post Brexit depression around then.

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Looks a bit like the new Holland America design.

 

 

 

That's not a good sign. No real promenade deck on that ship.

 

 

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Looks a bit like the new Holland America design.
That was my first impression, but then I took a closer look at the Queen Victoria and was not sure I saw a significant difference between that and this new ship. Now that I look again, I see what you're talking about. It surely does look like a larger version of the Nieuw Statendam.

 

That's not a good sign. No real promenade deck on that ship.
Positive or negative is subjective, and as we've seen with Holland America's switch from R/S/V classes through to Signature/Pinnacle classes, there will be many people who liked the way things were and therefore will likely not like the changes while at the same time there will be many people who will sail the line for the first time either pleased with what's offered by the changes or perhaps even pleased because of the changes.

 

What seems undeniable now is that what a lot of us have been saying for many years about these "ship-as-destination" changes - that such changes are probably limited to the economy grade and mid-grade lines as a reflection of the proclivities of the mass market choosing those options - was incorrect. This seems to be a clear indication that those with their pulse on the market for luxury (albeit not necessarily super-luxury) cruises are seeing the same signs as those with their pulse on the economy and mid-grade: A very strong shift towards ship-as-destination, and therefore a moderate de-emphasizing of sea-as-destination and a moderate de-emphasizing of ports-of-call.

 

I don't think we'll see a Cunard ship with a water park on the top deck or an IMAX theater on board - but I was wrong about whether Cunard would ever turn toward ship-as-destination at all, as well, so who knows?

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Considering the rather conservative and unimaginative Carnival Corp PR Department views it'll be another Queen name, dependent on who is the head of state around 2020-21. Queen Catherine maybe yes (If Wills happen to be King by that time), Queen Camilla definite no. so it'll be probably be Queen Anne etc.

 

Personally I would like to see the name Mauretania or Aquitania return again. Mauretania might not be so marketable as younger generation might associate it more with a third world African country instead of previous famous Cunard liner. (Years ago a friend once told me: "We dine in a restaurant named after a country where there is hardly any proper food at all")

 

Looking at the design I wouldn't be surprised if they will use the MSC Yacht Club, NCL Haven Concept by putting the Grill Class on top with restaurants, lounges, private deck etc. However I also see some built up behind the funnel, so it might be there as well.

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Too many passengers for my liking.

 

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It's not so much the absolute number of passengers that concerns me (although I don't disagree with you) but the number of passengers compared to the size of the ship.

 

If the numbers we've seen so far stay unchanged then it will have 50% more passengers than QE or QV on a ship only 25% larger. Or, 15% more passengers than QM2 on a ship 25% smaller!:eek:

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It will be interesting to see how she turns out. I did like all the other ships.

 

 

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How are those numbers computed? I don't feel that gross tonnage tells the same story as public space square footage. What seems clear to me is that some newer ships are beginning to trade off volume space (read: large, open atriums) for more public space square footage crammed into a smaller ship. No question that that still makes the ship feel more cramped, but that cramped feeling comes from (so-to-speak) the top rather than from the sides, and I, for one, don't find that to be as objectionable. If I want open space above me, I'm happy to go topside, but I don't like being crammed shoulder to shoulder walking down the hallways and such.

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Not many "real" queens - ie those who were more than the wife of a king - to choose from, so Anne seems a good fit with the names already used.

 

Overall, tonnage and passenger capacity seems close to P&O's Ventura and Azura.

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Gross tonnage has been and remains a volume measurement, but you're correct that a volume devoted to staterooms accommodating 500 passengers is counted the same as the same volume devoted to grand atria.

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Wow that is good news! Perhaps Queen Anne (1702-1714).

 

Studying the graceful lines of the vessel I am thinking Queen Bertha (565-601) is more apt.

 

What is more interesting is how going to four ships will affect the dynamics of itineraries and in particular the transatlantic schedule.

 

Regards John

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Just saw this (not sure if I can post the link, but I assume its a copy and paste press release)

 

Fincantieri and Carnival Corporation said Monday that they have signed a memorandum of agreement (MoA) for the construction of one next-generation cruise ship for the iconic luxury brand Cunard.

The ship, which will be built at the Monfalcone yard and join the Cunard's fleet in 2022, will weigh 113,000 tonnes and carry 3,000 guests, a statement said. "With this agreement we once more link our company's name with Cunard's, a real icon of the cruise market, confirming us as a shipbuilder able to combine tradition and innovation like no one else in the world," said Fincantieri CEO Giuseppe Bono.

"It is a lasting journey that, besides the construction of the two authentic 'queens' like "Queen Victoria" and "Queen Elizabeth", stresses the importance of our partnership with Carnival. In fact, for this Group we have built 63 ships, representing today almost two-thirds of their fleet, with other nine to come in the coming years. A cooperation which can be defined as historical, based on relationships of mutual respect and trust".

 

 

Passenger Space Ratios:

 

 

QE + QV: 90900gt / 2092 = 43.45gt per passenger

Queen Mary 2: 149215gt / 2695 = 55.37gt per passenger

 

New Cunard Ship: 113000 / 3000 = 37.7gt per passenger

 

So roughly about 13%-14% less gross tonnage per passenger compared to QE/QV

 

Azura at 115,000 tonnes and with around 3100 in lower berths (I think) would be similar to the gross tonnage / passenger ratio of this new Cunard ship. Unless the 3000 passengers refers to the maximum capacity including upper berths.

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Happy that Cunard has enough business to justify expansion, but sorry the new ship has to be a Koningsdam knock off. We already know this design does not have a traditional promenade deck which is a Cunard attribute. The lifeboats sit on the deck with a narrow walkway behind them, and a few open patches. Unfortunate.

It makes sense though that the design is shared with another brand. The same is true of the two Cunard Vistas. Of course the interior will be tweaked to allign with the Cunard brand which is good. K-dam has very mixed reviews. That is for sure. Many HAL traditionalists are not happy with her.

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Unless the 3000 passengers refers to the maximum capacity including upper berths.
That would be my first assumption at this stage, particularly in a joint press release including the ship builder.

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If she doesn't have a walk around promenade deck this will be a big mistake. The walk a mile, or two is very popular as we try to burn off the calories. I for one, am not happy with the increased size and passenger numbers. 2,000 passengers is more than enough - 3,000 not for me. Unless the design is something very special I won't be sailing on her. I would imagine they'll go for another Queen name. The new Saga ship looks very, very interesting.

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Am I correct in assuming the new ship will have no obstructing balcony staterooms?
The staterooms on Deck 4 of Nieuw Statendam are classified by HAL as partially obscured but the CG images of the ship show the bottom of the balconies about even with the tops of the lifeboats. This is accomplished by snaking the "promenade" behind the lifeboats with little space available for deck loungers that one would expect on a Cunard ship.

 

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Happy that Cunard has enough business to justify expansion, but sorry the new ship has to be a Koningsdam knock off. We already know this design does not have a traditional promenade deck which is a Cunard attribute. The lifeboats sit on the deck with a narrow walkway behind them, and a few open patches. Unfortunate.

It makes sense though that the design is shared with another brand. The same is true of the two Cunard Vistas. Of course the interior will be tweaked to allign with the Cunard brand which is good. K-dam has very mixed reviews. That is for sure. Many HAL traditionalists are not happy with her.

 

On Facebook, the Cunard rep keeps commenting that it's just a possible look for the new ship and than actual plans will be released in time.

 

I really hope Cunard doesn't go with the tacky floating apartment block look. I love the liner style that even QE and QV sort of have at their bow.

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If she doesn't have a walk around promenade deck this will be a big mistake. The walk a mile, or two is very popular as we try to burn off the calories. I for one, am not happy with the increased size and passenger numbers. 2,000 passengers is more than enough - 3,000 not for me. Unless the design is something very special I won't be sailing on her. I would imagine they'll go for another Queen name. The new Saga ship looks very, very interesting.

 

 

 

It will have a walk around promenade deck, but not what you’re used to on the existing Cunard ships. The lifeboats pretty much sit directly on the deck in this design (not above it), so most of the walkway is a narrow deck behind the lifeboats with no view. There are a few open areas that have ocean views but most of it is blocked by boats.

 

New designs like the Royal Princess, Solstice Class, K-Dam with HAL, and MSC Fantasia Class all feature this design. It’s all about revenue. It enables the cruise lines to have another deck of balcony cabins without being obstructed by lifeboats. The trade off is no traditional promenade deck. A revenue enhancement wins out every time.

 

Also keep in mind this ship is a cheap way for Carnival Corp to add a ship to the Cunard fleet. Just repurpose an existing design.

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Looking at HAL's deckplan, one of the things that makes Nieuw Statendam (and the new Cunard concept) appear top heavy is that there's an additional deck above the midships Lido pool under the retractable roof. This deck has spa-level staterooms with direct access to the spa one deck down, and there's one more deck of forward verandah staterooms above that before topping out with the Crows Nest ("Commodore Club" in Cunard-speak) and open-air cabanas on Deck 11.

 

The layout of Nieuw Statendam's public decks on Deck 2 and 3 look similar to the corresponding decks on QV and QE so I imagine they could be adapted to be virtually the same, assuming they could lengthen the Queens Room and enlarge the size of HAL's atrium into something worthy of the name Grand Lobby.

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Just announced on board this morning. On the positive note it appears that there is value in the Cunard brand. Perhaps there are enough of us who still want some civilization when we sail.

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Just announced on board this morning. On the positive note it appears that there is value in the Cunard brand. Perhaps there are enough of us who still want some civilization when we sail.

 

 

 

Hopefully they don’t dumb down the dress code and introduce flexible dining with the new ship. Cunard is all about tradition, formality, and a certain degree of structure. If they want to go the direction of casual dress and open dining, then why even have Cunard? Every other cruise line already has this. No different than HAL, Princess, Celebrity, etc.

 

Sometimes I worry with a new ship will be “new” concepts.

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Hopefully they don’t dumb down the dress code and introduce flexible dining with the new ship. Cunard is all about tradition, formality, and a certain degree of structure. If they want to go the direction of casual dress and open dining, then why even have Cunard? Every other cruise line already has this. No different than HAL, Princess, Celebrity, etc.

 

Sometimes I worry with a new ship will be “new” concepts.

Agree about the dress code, but one big advantage (to me) of Cunard Grills is that it already provides flexible dining.

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Too many passengers for my liking.

 

DJ

 

 

She is too big and too streamlined to please me, but at least she looks like a ship. Wait and see.

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I can't help but feel that in hindsight naming Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth was perhaps not the best idea as it limits the naming of future ships. Neither Queen Anne nor the names of any other consorts have either any form of resonance with the general public in name alone, or convey any unique historical period or style. Given the marketing focus that was placed on the significance of QV and QE's names, I can't imagine Cunard's PR team having an easy task communicating the 'golden age of erm, ... the last monarch of the House of Stuart...?'!

 

Either Cunard are betting on Catherine being Queen consort by the time they are to announce the name, or will just gamble on a name like Anne. Alternatively, they could of course use a classic Cunard name like Caronia, but this would just stick out amongst the Queens. Cunard certainly couldn't rename QV and QE Mauretania or Aquitania (neither of which really have any resonance either outside of fan circles), although perhaps they could try and make some of their more awkward 'ia'-ending names fashionable - Cunard Ultonia or Abyssinia, anyone?

 

Perhaps name the ship Cunarder Queen Mary, and rename QM2 something entirely new in recognition of its unique build? Controversial I know!

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Agree about the dress code, but one big advantage (to me) of Cunard Grills is that it already provides flexible dining.

 

 

Flexible dining for the masses is a bit different. Also in the grills you are still assigned to a table. This would not be the case if flexible dining was introduced in the main dining rooms.

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What about Boadicea.The original braveheart.

Already used by Fred Olsen, albeit with a different spelling. Unlikely Cunard would want to risk confusion!

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Hi,can anyone post a screenshot or something,because that link just directs me to Cunard Italia homepage,cheers,Brian.

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