8420PR Posted February 18, 2020 #426 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I think there is a lot we have to learn about how coronavirus is transmitted - I suspect many on the Diamond Princess caught the virus after the quarantine started, and there seems to be a large number of trained doctors and nurses (in various countries) getting infected. Here is a study showing the emergence of new norovirus variants on cruise ships in Spring is a strong prediction of Norovirus epidemics the next winter: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600213/ For the worriers - there is still nothing I can see that would should stop anyone going on a Caribbean or European cruise. In Asia, I would avoid China, but in April am still planning to visit Singapore, Vietnam and Thailand (though not a cruise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDENBONNY Posted February 18, 2020 #427 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Next time someone complained here about worst cruise ever and terrible MSC customer services I will give them a link to this post and to post how "good" Princess handling emergency situation. Crew members never been tested and never been quarantined. How Princess planning to quarantine them after all passengers out of this death cruise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverzeb Posted February 18, 2020 #428 Share Posted February 18, 2020 22 hours ago, Southwick28 said: Do they check the passport as proof that you have not been in the affected areas ? No passport checks specifically for that but they do check them at check in. I had to hand the guy my declaration as he didn't seem to want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwick28 Posted February 18, 2020 #429 Share Posted February 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Liverzeb said: No passport checks specifically for that but they do check them at check in. I had to hand the guy my declaration as he didn't seem to want it Sounds a bit worrying, but thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprilF Posted February 18, 2020 #430 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Good news! It looks like David Abel might NOT have tested positive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare HappyInVan Posted February 18, 2020 #431 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, aprilF said: Good news! It looks like David Abel might NOT have tested positive! Please let us know when you have definite news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprilF Posted February 18, 2020 #432 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyInVan said: Please let us know when you have definite news. I was just checking in on his FB to see how they were holding up and saw that he seems strongly under the impression that it was a miscommunication, that they are being taken to a hostel, not hospital. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted February 18, 2020 #433 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I wish david and sally would do a broadcast, if even for a minute or two. None of this sits well with me. His last fb post is just odd. No more videos, but they have been on the ship? Doesn’t follow the pattern. More passengers from diamond princess testing positive once on USA soil. Passengers from westerdam being tracked globally. The video from the infectious diseases doctor about the quarantine. It reads like a bad novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ziggyuk Posted February 19, 2020 #434 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 hours ago, aprilF said: I was just checking in on his FB to see how they were holding up and saw that he seems strongly under the impression that it was a miscommunication, that they are being taken to a hostel, not hospital. 8 hours ago, BermudaBound2014 said: I wish david and sally would do a broadcast, if even for a minute or two. None of this sits well with me. His last fb post is just odd. No more videos, but they have been on the ship? Doesn’t follow the pattern. More passengers from diamond princess testing positive once on USA soil. Passengers from westerdam being tracked globally. The video from the infectious diseases doctor about the quarantine. It reads like a bad novel. They have left a new video and the latest is they do indeed have the virus, they say they are being taken to the hostel until a bed is available at the hospital and it was a bit of language confusion yesterday. His son has just been on the BBC and confirmed they have spoken to an english speaking doctor who has now confirmed everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprilF Posted February 19, 2020 #435 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, ziggyuk said: They have left a new video and the latest is they do indeed have the virus, they say they are being taken to the hostel until a bed is available at the hospital and it was a bit of language confusion yesterday. His son has just been on the BBC and confirmed they have spoken to an english speaking doctor who has now confirmed everything. I had hoped it was a misunderstanding and that they were negative. Hopefully it will be a light cases, as most are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskrat191 Posted February 19, 2020 #436 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Has there been any other instances of testing large groups of people that were likely exposed and are asymptomatic? How many of the people on the ship that tested positive actually have symptoms? It may be that this virus is mild in many/most people and these cases are usually not identified as the people are not tested. If this is true, the plus side would be that the mortality rate is much lower than the current numbers suggest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardface Posted February 19, 2020 #437 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, muskrat191 said: the plus side would be that the mortality rate is much lower than the current numbers suggest. This is probably true regardless. For a while they've only been testing those who were symptomatic or hospitalized. There's probably a decent chunk of the population who kept it all under control through medication, or just had a mild reaction to it and went untested because nobody saw a point to do so. Edited February 19, 2020 by Beardface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkgourmet Posted February 19, 2020 #438 Share Posted February 19, 2020 More information a put David Abel. His son's comments probably explain some (most?) Of the confusion. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51555299 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWolf Posted February 19, 2020 #439 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, muskrat191 said: It may be that this virus is mild in many/most people and these cases are usually not identified as the people are not tested. There is no such thing like a “mild” virus, if somebody is infected the virus is in his body. Some people have little or no symptoms because they are healthy and their immune system deals with the virus by producing antibodies. The immune system of some people is weak because of underline conditions, the virus can cause sometimes deadly complications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskrat191 Posted February 19, 2020 #440 Share Posted February 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, SirWolf said: There is no such thing like a “mild” virus, if somebody is infected the virus is in his body. Some people have little or no symptoms because they are healthy and their immune system deals with the virus by producing antibodies. The immune system of some people is weak because of underline conditions, the virus can cause sometimes deadly complications. Sorry I didn't word it perfectly -- I meant the symptoms from the virus are mild in many/most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted February 19, 2020 #441 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 hours ago, jkgourmet said: More information a put David Abel. His son's comments probably explain some (most?) Of the confusion. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51555299 that was gut wrenching 😞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted February 20, 2020 #442 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Two Japanese guests taken off the Diamond Princess last week have now died sadly ... 😔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDENBONNY Posted February 21, 2020 #443 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 6:32 AM, sidari said: Two Japanese guests taken off the Diamond Princess last week have now died sadly ... 😔 I wonder what they gonna do with this ship after everyone left? Crew members must be quarantined outside of hsip. how they gonna sanitize it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted February 21, 2020 #444 Share Posted February 21, 2020 GB ... The crew have to remain onboard for a further 14 days Quarantine, the ship will then be cleaned and then taken into drydock. The ship is due to sail again at the end of April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDENBONNY Posted February 21, 2020 #445 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, sidari said: GB ... The crew have to remain onboard for a further 14 days Quarantine, the ship will then be cleaned and then taken into drydock. The ship is due to sail again at the end of April. ship quarantine for crew? how? who is gonna operate the ship? who i gonna clean after? I wonder how many will dare to cruise in April on this ship? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebonybee Posted February 21, 2020 #446 Share Posted February 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, GOLDENBONNY said: ship quarantine for crew? how? who is gonna operate the ship? who i gonna clean after? I wonder how many will dare to cruise in April on this ship? I also wonder who the brave folks are that are willing to be the next set of passengers. It is not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted February 21, 2020 #447 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, GOLDENBONNY said: ship quarantine for crew? how? who is gonna operate the ship? who i gonna clean after? I wonder how many will dare to cruise in April on this ship? This post doesn't make sense unless I"m missing something, Princess has spelled it all out. February 19-March 4th: Existing crew does a 14 day quarantine (dates are approximate, it may be March 3 or March 5). At that time, the entire existing crew on the Diamond Princess will return home to receive 2 months paid vacation. March 4-April 29: For a full 8 weeks, the diamond princess will be "cleaned" during a soft drydock. April 29th is the next scheduled Diamond PRincess cruise, everything in between has been cancelled. I suspect some people will be hesitant to be the first to sail after the deep cleaning, but I also suspect there will be some AMAZING prices coming out for those who are willing to take a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebonybee Posted February 21, 2020 #448 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: . I suspect some people will be hesitant to be the first to sail after the deep cleaning, but I also suspect there will be some AMAZING prices coming out for those who are willing to take a chance. Thanks for the additional information but my anxiety level supersedes any price cut for the cruise. i chose MSC due to “value” and I’m already rethinking that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDENBONNY Posted February 21, 2020 #449 Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: February 19-March 4th: Existing crew does a 14 day quarantine (dates are approximate, it may be March 3 or March 5). At that time, the entire existing crew on the Diamond Princess will return home to receive 2 months paid vacation. how crew gonna be on quarantine? and who is gonna operate the ship for 14 days ? feed them, cleaning etc . As we know this ship is not a proper place to be on quarantine . They send them home? On regular flights? Great! what does not make sense for you exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDENBONNY Posted February 21, 2020 #450 Share Posted February 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, ebonybee said: I also wonder who the brave folks are that are willing to be the next set of passengers. It is not me. not me for sure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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