Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2026 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I’ve read Crystal aren’t doing it well either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farts Posted February 17, 2020 #2027 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, fragilek said: I know they are both under carnival that's why it is so baffling that they seem to have taken such different approaches to this, not just about the quarantine - but just about every decision has taken each company down differing paths. I have never been a fan of HAL. Food is great, but it's just not for me, as you can guess from my screen name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Aroha Posted February 17, 2020 #2028 Share Posted February 17, 2020 TVNZ New Zealand another 99 positive.. Australia and New Zealand sending flight to evacuate all with clear results. A very sad day 😞 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2029 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I’m starting to wonder what a positive actually means. Deaths seem to be confined to the original occupants of Hubei except for a couple of reports of deaths but in the elderly (+80) and those with significant other health issues. And many are positive and wouldn’t even know it or whose symptoms are very mild. And then others swing from positive to negative. Again with no symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wehwalt Posted February 17, 2020 #2030 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, ed01106 said: Before I declare it generous. I want to hear the details. If those who canceled early get the same compensation as those who waited I will praise them. If cruisers are offered a partial FCC not so much. I didn't say it was generous. I said it was more generous than the consequences of canceling the booking before Princess canceled the sailing, which is what was originally being discussed upthread. Edited February 17, 2020 by Wehwalt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2031 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Another 99 positives today. 85 passengers and 14 crew. That’s 454 people. I cannot see people being allowed to simply walk off. On another note there’s been nothing from David Abel since first thing this morning on FB or YouTube. 😞. They were tested two days ago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2032 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Pushka said: I’m starting to wonder what a positive actually means. Deaths seem to be confined to the original occupants of Hubei except for a couple of reports of deaths but in the elderly (+80) and those with significant other health issues. And many are positive and wouldn’t even know it or whose symptoms are very mild. And then others swing from positive to negative. Again with no symptoms. Yip it is baffling- That being said there are 18 seriously ill in hospital from the ship-No idea of age of those people tho. Also under investigation is the effect of the virus on different demographics, there are a few papers now on this, but still to be independently verified. I worked on a drug that was discovered because a certain race (a not even a race more of linked group of tribes) of people did not get certain illnesses. It was found they were genetically coded with an inhibitor of a certain protein. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Aroha Posted February 17, 2020 #2033 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Pushka said: Another 99 positives today. 85 passengers and 14 crew. That’s 454 people. I cannot see people being allowed to simply walk off. On another note there’s been nothing from David Abel since first thing this morning on FB or YouTube. 😞. They were tested two days ago. David Abel was just live he knows about 90+ positive but nothing for him and Sally so far for results. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2034 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Te Aroha said: David Abel was just live he knows about 90+ positive but nothing for him and Sally so far for results. Ah Thankyou. That’s good. Maybe they are going to be fine? Listening now. Oh my. So much stress for them. I did also read in a media report that if you were negative you weren’t told. Edited February 17, 2020 by Pushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog Posted February 17, 2020 #2035 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Any news regarding the UK sending a plane for their citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted February 17, 2020 #2036 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dog said: Any news regarding the UK sending a plane for their citizens? No. I believe the official line is they would be better off in a Japanese medical facility than going home. 😲 Edited February 17, 2020 by OzKiwiJJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2037 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: No. I believe the official line is they would be better off in a Japanese medical facility than going home. 😲 That’s awfully disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted February 17, 2020 #2038 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, dog said: Any news regarding the UK sending a plane for their citizens? Still nothing, but it will have to happen. Two opposing viewpoints I suppose - help our citizens or worry about the precedent and expect holidaymakers and their insurers to sort their own problems out. If the prediction that 50% of the world’s population will inevitably be infected proves correct, quarantine is going to be completely irrelevant anyway soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2039 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, dog said: Any news regarding the UK sending a plane for their citizens? It was mentioned on the BBC news on-line that UK were in communication with Japan and considering its options for those on board to best protect them and the rest of UK - It was only up for about an hour and then the report changed/ updated and that is no-longer mentioned in the updated one. Strangely you can usually link back to the previous version but on this occasion I cannot find it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2040 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Also UK is taking a different approach to this- no ban on china flights unless WHO requests no quarantine of passengers from a list of counties unless showing symptoms no closing of schools or venues even if someone is waiting for results - only if they are positive (confirmed by family who are teachers in secondary schools) I have seen mentioned (but cannot confirm) that after we have a certain number of +ve cases (100 being branded- but , if true, I think it will mean 100 un-traceable). Then testing is to stop and assumption to be made if any flu symptoms it's Coronavirus and ill people must self isolate for 14 days. Hospitals have had mini isolation units attached ( read shipping containers) I get the feeling our approach is we know it is coming- just brace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog Posted February 17, 2020 #2041 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, fragilek said: It was mentioned on the BBC news on-line that UK were in communication with Japan and considering its options for those on board to best protect them and the rest of UK - It was only up for about an hour and then the report changed/ updated and that is no-longer mentioned in the updated one. Strangely you can usually link back to the previous version but on this occasion I cannot find it now. I saw that too. Also somewhere said their government would not comment re: David Abel’s comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted February 17, 2020 #2042 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Grburkart said: PR nightmare? I hardly think so. This whole situation with only one ship of many in quarantine isn’t the fault of Princess. In this particular instance with the Diamond, it’s at the behest of the Japanese Government. In my opinion, the gurus at Princess should be proud of what they’re doing. Don’t forget, Princess is still fully operational around the world. Glenn Yes it is a PR nightmare. My friends see the ship every day (several times a day) on the news. They have not cruised but are in the demographic that are looking at them and Princess is the last line they will look at based on what they see on TV news. And they have warned that the stock is taking a hit because of it. If everything was great - they would not announced this stock hit. Even loyal Princess people have thought they handled the cancellations poorly. There has been some criticism by how staff acted during the quarantine (not using face masks around others, etc...). Not sure how accurate it is but it is out there. Edited February 17, 2020 by Coral 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted February 17, 2020 #2043 Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: Still nothing, but it will have to happen. Two opposing viewpoints I suppose - help our citizens or worry about the precedent and expect holidaymakers and their insurers to sort their own problems out. If the prediction that 50% of the world’s population will inevitably be infected proves correct, quarantine is going to be completely irrelevant anyway soon. That is a very biased, one sided, false description of the alternative. There are multiple reasons not to evacuate. 1. Protect the homeland. If the passengers remain in Japan they won’t spread it in England. Bring them to England and risk them spending it to others. 2. Am many has observed the airplane flight is an ideal environment for the disease to spread. I doubt the cost of the flight is the issue as Princess can pay for it, so no precedent would be set. The quarantine is not irrelevant. While I don’t doubt it will ultimately fail and the disease will go global. The longer that can be delayed the more time researchers have to develop treatments or even a vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2044 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, ed01106 said: That is a very biased, one sided, false description of the alternative. There are multiple reasons not to evacuate. 1. Protect the homeland. If the passengers remain in Japan they won’t spread it in England. Bring them to England and risk them spending it to others. 2. Am many has observed the airplane flight is an ideal environment for the disease to spread. I doubt the cost of the flight is the issue as Princess can pay for it, so no precedent would be set. The quarantine is not irrelevant. While I don’t doubt it will ultimately fail and the disease will go global. The longer that can be delayed the more time researchers have to develop treatments or even a vaccine. In fact, as I see it, I am sure princess would happily pay to get everyone off the ship and out of the news. I am not attaching any blame here to princess at all - as I said earlier they seem to have handled better than other lines. But people, not on these sort of forums, won't be looking into what other lines have done they just see the princess name and that's unfortunately what they will remember. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2045 Share Posted February 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, fragilek said: Also UK is taking a different approach to this- no ban on china flights unless WHO requests no quarantine of passengers from a list of counties unless showing symptoms no closing of schools or venues even if someone is waiting for results - only if they are positive (confirmed by family who are teachers in secondary schools) I have seen mentioned (but cannot confirm) that after we have a certain number of +ve cases (100 being branded- but , if true, I think it will mean 100 un-traceable). Then testing is to stop and assumption to be made if any flu symptoms it's Coronavirus and ill people must self isolate for 14 days. Hospitals have had mini isolation units attached ( read shipping containers) I get the feeling our approach is we know it is coming- just brace Honestly, I think that’s what will happen everywhere. It will just become part of the risks of well, breathing. Eventually there will be a vaccine, there will be some deaths sadly, just like there is with the flu and in 12 months time it will be forgotten. Potentially it may dilute as it spreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2046 Share Posted February 17, 2020 just posted on twitter announcement from captain Per captain, general disembarkation for passangers will begin on 19 February and is estimated to end 22 February. Passengers will be notified one day prior to their scheduled disembarkation with instructions. #COVID19 #DiamondPrincess #Quarantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paphoslady Posted February 17, 2020 #2047 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, fragilek said: Per captain, general disembarkation for passangers will begin on 19 February and is estimated to end 22 February. Passengers will be notified one day prior to their scheduled disembarkation with instructions. #COVID19 #DiamondPrincess #Quarantine Perhaps those that have tested negative will be allowed to disembark?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2048 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Pushka said: Honestly, I think that’s what will happen everywhere. It will just become part of the risks of well, breathing. Eventually there will be a vaccine, there will be some deaths sadly, just like there is with the flu and in 12 months time it will be forgotten. Potentially it may dilute as it spreads. Most viruses mutate to get worse a period of time after initial spread and then mutate again to become less lethal as it doesn't help their end game if they kill their hosts. (there are exceptions of course Ebola being one and FIP (cat coronavirus being another, that's a really odd one - virus mutates after infecting the host in about 10% of cases to become the lethal form FIP) The baffling thing about this virus is that from what I have seen in research papers it seems to not produce the same antibody reaction in hosts. That makes the general populations immunity and ability to fight this reliant on drug or vaccines. And also may mean a person can get this twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 17, 2020 #2049 Share Posted February 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, paphoslady said: According to the latest figures more crew members are now testing positive, have they being spreading the virus? A Japanese official says that 70% of those found to be positive have no symptoms at all?? Does this mean they won't ever get any symptoms, they will only be mild or the symptoms are yet to develop. Of the 9 confirmed cases in the UK 8 have now been released, do the majority of people only get a mild form of the virus?? These are all unanswered questions at the moment. Of the 15 from Wuhan who were positive and isolated in Australian hospitals 8 have left and the rest are stable. Nothing new for over 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fragilek Posted February 17, 2020 #2050 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) And the plan for the British passengers is back up on BBC news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51526875 Rescue plan 'considered' for Britons trapped on cruise The Foreign Office is "considering all options" for Britons trapped on a quarantined cruise liner in Japan struck by coronavirus - including flying them home. Downing Street said officials are in contact with the 74 UK passengers and crew to "establish interest" in a repatriation flight. Edited February 17, 2020 by fragilek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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