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[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, grapau27 said:

They had the testing capacity at Sunderland England.

Pauline rang at 8am and I got an appointment for 10am at the centre 800 metres as the crow flies from home.

I got the positive result by text and email 7.30am next morning 21 hours after leaving the test site.

Pauline had no symptoms so wasn't offered a test.

She had no symptoms and we were sleeping in the same bed and she looked after me while I spent 21 days in bed.

Test and trace contacted Pauline to isolate for 14 days.

Graham.

I don’t understand why she wasn’t offered a test?  If she had it and had no symptoms, should have been checked for antibodies???

 

M8

[grapau27]

4 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I don’t understand why she wasn’t offered a test?  If she had it and had no symptoms, should have been checked for antibodies???

 

M8

Pauline asked when she rang for me.She said we were together all the time and explained my symptoms of high temperature and upper body sweating.

They told Pauline that as she had no symptoms she couldn't have a test.

It was a swab test that I did myself.15 seconds around the back of my throat and with the same swab I had to put it up my nose until it hit bone then I had to swab here for 15 seconds.

I put the swab in a bag and sealed it then drove to the exit where they took the bag and scanned the bar code on the bag and my invitation bar code on my phone.

Graham.

[Tippyton]

1 hour ago, grapau27 said:

They had the testing capacity at Sunderland England.

Pauline rang at 8am and I got an appointment for 10am at the centre 800 metres as the crow flies from home.

I got the positive result by text and email 7.30am next morning 21 hours after leaving the test site.

Pauline had no symptoms so wasn't offered a test.

She had no symptoms and we were sleeping in the same bed and she looked after me while I spent 21 days in bed.

Test and trace contacted Pauline to isolate for 14 days.

Graham.

Having been through this in the States, the rapid test is usually not given to people without symptoms.  Has to do with the sensitivity.  False positives are very low.  False negatives increase greatly if the person doesn't show symptoms.  They go the 2-3 day (at least here) PCR route that way, which has still a higher false-negative rate than we'd like.   Wait times are a numbers game. 

 

As an aside, my Rapid test at CVS was from a Brit company called Lumiradx.  I carry my written positive test result with me as proof of immunity.  (That's a whole different rabbit trail).

 

Those with intellectual curiosity can research these things.  And listen to Dr. Campbell. 🙂

[Milwaukee Eight]

11 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

I carry my written positive test result with me as proof of immunity.  (That's a whole different rabbit trail).

Yes it is. 

[Ocean Boy]

2 hours ago, broberts said:

 

One gets what one votes for.

Sometimes one gets what other people voted for.

[ace2542]

58 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

Pauline asked when she rang for me.She said we were together all the time and explained my symptoms of high temperature and upper body sweating.

They told Pauline that as she had no symptoms she couldn't have a test.

It was a swab test that I did myself.15 seconds around the back of my throat and with the same swab I had to put it up my nose until it hit bone then I had to swab here for 15 seconds.

I put the swab in a bag and sealed it then drove to the exit where they took the bag and scanned the bar code on the bag and my invitation bar code on my phone.

Graham.

She must have been asymptomatic. There is no way she cannot have caught it from you. As so far as I am aware NO ONE has "natural immunity" to the virus like for instance Matt Damon's character in contagion. If they had found a person who had a "natural immunity" to covid they would have been quick to announce it surely?

[BND]

16 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

She must have been asymptomatic. There is no way she cannot have caught it from you. As so far as I am aware NO ONE has "natural immunity" to the virus like for instance Matt Damon's character in contagion. If they had found a person who had a "natural immunity" to covid they would have been quick to announce it surely?

There are plenty of cases where spouses and other members of a household did not catch it from someone who did have it.  It does happen.  So, yes, there is a way.  Some people, while not having "natural immunity" have good immune systems and can fight off some things others can't.  While not Covid, when I was a child and in school and my sister wasn't yet, kids in my class would get sick, I wouldn't but my sister would with what they had.  It's very possible and does happen.

Edited December 2, 2020 by BND

[grapau27]

9 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

She must have been asymptomatic. There is no way she cannot have caught it from you. As so far as I am aware NO ONE has "natural immunity" to the virus like for instance Matt Damon's character in contagion. If they had found a person who had a "natural immunity" to covid they would have been quick to announce it surely?

I think Pauline must have been asymptomatic which I was delighted about.

We were on the Grand Princess for 15 nights in November/December sailing from San Francisco to Hawaii and there was a lot of Chinese on board.

Pauline had a persistent cough for a month after we got home and I suspected something wasn't right so maybe she might have caught a mild dose on the ship or in San Francisco.

Graham.

[Ocean Boy]

12 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

She must have been asymptomatic. There is no way she cannot have caught it from you. As so far as I am aware NO ONE has "natural immunity" to the virus like for instance Matt Damon's character in contagion. If they had found a person who had a "natural immunity" to covid they would have been quick to announce it surely?

I have patients living in the same house where some have it and some don't. I have others where everyone in the house has it.

 

I am curious as to how long you have been practicing medicine?

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, grapau27 said:

I think Pauline must have been asymptomatic which I was delighted about.

We were on the Grand Princess for 15 nights in November/December sailing from San Francisco to Hawaii and there was a lot of Chinese on board.

Pauline had a persistent cough for a month after we got home and I suspected something wasn't right so maybe she might have caught a mild dose on the ship or in San Francisco.

Graham.

She should be antibody tested to find out. If nothing else, the results would be interesting.

[ace2542]

1 minute ago, Ocean Boy said:

I have patients living in the same house where some have it and some don't. I have others where everyone in the house has it.

 

I am curious as to how long you have been practicing medicine?

The UK media has left me with the impression that no one is immune we can all get infected. 

[Tree_skier]

2 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

The UK media has left me with the impression that no one is immune we can all get infected. 

If the media says it, I trust them explicitly. 

[grapau27]

8 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

She should be antibody tested to find out. If nothing else, the results would be interesting.

She was not offered an antibody test only to isolate for 14 days plus antibody tests are not routinely offered except for NHS staff I understand.

I have been asked to donate plasma but I am due to have a vitrectomy for an Epiretinal Membrane in the very near future.

Edited December 2, 2020 by grapau27

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, ace2542 said:

The UK media has left me with the impression that no one is immune we can all get infected. 

If the UK media remotely resembles the US media then your incorrect post is understandable. However, you should be more careful about posting your "impression" as fact.

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, grapau27 said:

She was not offered an antibody test only to isolate for 14 days plus antibody tests are not routinely offered except for NHS staff I understand.

I don't want to knock your NHS. I am sure it does a fine job. But here, for the most part, what test is going to be ordered is a decision between patient and physician.

[grapau27]

3 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

I don't want to knock your NHS. I am sure it does a fine job. But here, for the most part, what test is going to be ordered is a decision between patient and physician.

The NHS is free for all but I suppose if Pauline wanted to know we would have to go and pay privately.

[BND]

Just now, Ocean Boy said:

I don't want to knock your NHS. I am sure it does a fine job. But here, for the most part, what test is going to be ordered is a decision between patient and physician.

NHS acts so differently than US medicine.  The example I always give was two years ago, I was not feeling great, lost weight, had tachycardia, nausea and digestion issues and found out my liver enzymes were slightly elevated.  I was sent for an ultrasound and within two weeks of gall stone diagnosis, I had it removed. It was not functioning properly, but wasn't considered an emergency, although my surgeon said it needed to come out.  At that time I was reading up on the surgery and came across several discussion forums.  Several were from the UK and everyone on there that needed their gb removed, unless it was an emergency had to wait 9-18 months and they had no choice unless they wanted to pay for private surgery, so, their choices are not like ours here.

[BND]

1 minute ago, grapau27 said:

The NHS is free for all but I suppose if Pauline wanted to know we would have to go and pay privately.

I love how everyone in the UK says it's "free".  You pay for it via taxes.  We pay for ours via jobs or separately, but we all pay.  I've had two surgeries in the last two years and didn't pay a penny out of pocket.  Insurance covered it all.  

Edited December 2, 2020 by BND

[Tree_skier]

1 minute ago, Ocean Boy said:

I don't want to knock your NHS. I am sure it does a fine job. But here, for the most part, what test is going to be ordered is a decision between patient and physician.

Not in a socialist healthcare system.  There is much the same problem here in Canada.  Between horrible wait times for important medical services and a lack of choice about what is available to you Government run healthcare is a disaster. Sadly, most people in Canada don't realize what a disaster it is because they have been fed a lie about how much better off they are than Americans that they actually believe this is good healthcare and Americans are suffering under a terrible system.  As someone who is extremely acquainted with both I have a unique perspective.  I'll take my Kaiser coverage all day and everyday over BC MSP.

 

In BC you can't be tested unless you exhibit symptoms as per BCCDC rules.

[Tree_skier]

5 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

The NHS is free for all but I suppose if Pauline wanted to know we would have to go and pay privately.

That is one of the benefits of the UK system... For those that want they do offer more private options than is available in Canada.

[grapau27]

2 minutes ago, BND said:

I love how everyone in the UK says it's "free".  You pay for it via taxes.  We pay for ours via jobs or separately, but well pay.  I've had two surgeries in the last two years and didn't pay a penny out of pocket.

Only if you work.

Under 18s,retired people, students,unemployed people and people on various benefits do not pay tax.

There are various private health schemes but usually you have to see your GP first to be referred but at least you get priority to see a consultant and treated in a private hospital.

[Tree_skier]

7 minutes ago, BND said:

Several were from the UK and everyone on there that needed their gb removed, unless it was an emergency had to wait 9-18 months and they had no choice unless they wanted to pay for private surgery, so, their choices are not like ours here.

In Canada it is against the law to offer private surgery that is covered by the public option.  You can't get it for any amount of money.

[BND]

3 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

Only if you work.

Under 18s,retired people, students,unemployed people and people on various benefits do not pay tax.

There are various private health schemes but usually you have to see your GP first to be referred but at least you get priority to see a consultant and treated in a private hospital.

But, you did pay for it while you were working, right?  How different do you think the US is, really?  Up until age 26, kids can stay on their parents insurance here.  Unemployed and those on various benefits have access to gov programs.  Don't believe everything you see on the news about US insurance/healthcare because a lot of it isn't true.

Edited December 2, 2020 by BND

[BND]

1 minute ago, Tree_skier said:

In Canada it is against the law to offer private surgery that is covered by the public option.  You can't get it for any amount of money.

Yes, we have friends in Canada and they have talked about those they know that have come to the US for certain procedures, such as hip replacement.  But, wow, nothing like freedom, huh?  You obviously know the benefit of the US system and I hate that the UK and Canada make the US out to have this horrible system and that so many are uninsured, when the reality is, a lot who are unisured choose to be because they don't want to pay for it  and there are options for those that really can't afford it.

[grapau27]

6 minutes ago, BND said:

But, you did pay for it while you were working, right?

Yes but only if they earn more than the tax threshold which is currently just over £12000 per annum.

Some people are on benefits most of there life so pay nothing or very little.

Edited December 2, 2020 by grapau27