Carnival might not require Covid vaccine.

[BlerkOne]

8 minutes ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

The passengers are around people..  Interacting.. Touching the same surfaces..  Swimming the pools together..  Dining in dining room..  Gambling in the casino.. Ordering fruity drinks while sitting in a lounger on the deck around other people who are doing the same..

 

 

Oh please. Nothing says normal like crew constantly cleaning while wearing hazmat suits. Temperature checks before meals at socially distanced tables. Mandatory masks at gatherings. The only normalcy is when you are in the confines of your cabin.

[Mariketa]

Just now, hurricane0226 said:

what if a vaccinated guest comes up positive, had 7 players with the Yankee's that had been

vaccinated come up positive, so just can't blame anti-vaxxer's if that happens.

Exactly. I would bet dollars that a vaccinated cruise will have an outbreak (even if it's just a small portion), and it's going to be a PR nightmare.

[FiremedicMike151]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Oh please. Nothing says normal like crew constantly cleaning while wearing hazmat suits. Temperature checks before meals at socially distanced tables. Mandatory masks at gatherings. The only normalcy is when you are in the confines of your cabin.

Find blerk, you win.  I’m not sure what you win, but you won..  You’ve been steadfast thst the only way to cruise is fully vaccinated with full time masks, evidence be damned. 

[tallnthensome]

Just now, hurricane0226 said:

what if a vaccinated guest comes up positive, had 7 players with the Yankee's that had been

vaccinated come up positive, so just can't blame anti-vaxxer's if that happens.

Thats not the issue. The issue is level of severeness..... No one, not one of the people that have come into the emergency center where I have been working with severe covid cases as well as being admitted has been a fully vaccinated person. Not one..... All unvaccinated people .....

[lobster1313]

10 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

what if a vaccinated guest comes up positive, had 7 players with the Yankee's that had been

vaccinated come up positive, so just can't blame anti-vaxxer's if that happens.

“Fortunately, they’re all you know doing quite well,” Aaron Boone, Yankees manager, said Sunday.

Seven of the infected members are asymptomatic and two have mild symptoms.

 

Seems like the vaccines are doing what they're supposed to do.

Edited May 19, 2021 by regoodwinjr

[hurricane0226]

7 minutes ago, tallnthensome said:

Thats not the issue. The issue is level of severeness..... No one, not one of the people that have come into the emergency center where I have been working with severe covid cases as well as being admitted has been a fully vaccinated person. Not one..... All unvaccinated people .....

 

7 minutes ago, tallnthensome said:

Thats not the issue. The issue is level of severeness..... No one, not one of the people that have come into the emergency center where I have been working with severe covid cases as well as being admitted has been a fully vaccinated person. Not one..... All unvaccinated people .....

But positive, the cruise line will have to report a positive case, would they not.

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

what if a vaccinated guest comes up positive, had 7 players with the Yankee's that had been

vaccinated come up positive, so just can't blame anti-vaxxer's if that happens.

I think up to 9 and I believe they had the less effective J&J vaccine. 7 were asymptomatic and 2 only have mild symptoms. If anti-vaxxers, the count would have been higher with more severe cases.

 

Vaccinated people have lower viral loads so are less likely to pass the virus on, but not impossible.

 

Vaccinated or not, if you test positive the same protocol is followed.

[ontheweb]

12 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

what if a vaccinated guest comes up positive, had 7 players with the Yankee's that had been

vaccinated come up positive, so just can't blame anti-vaxxer's if that happens.

Actually only 1 player from the Yankees, the rest were coaches and support staff. And none of the cases were serious enough to require hospitalization. And I believe that the player in question was just taken out of quarantine and is now allowed to play after negative tests, a much shorter time than the usual requirement of 10 days.

[hurricane0226]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

I think up to 9 and I believe they had the less effective J&J vaccine. 7 were asymptomatic and 2 only have mild symptoms. If anti-vaxxers, the count would have been higher with more severe cases.

 

Vaccinated people have lower viral loads so are less likely to pass the virus on, but not impossible.

 

Vaccinated or not, if you test positive the same protocol is followed.

so cannot just blame the anti-vaxxers, if someone that was vaccinated comes up positive.

[Mariketa]

1 minute ago, ontheweb said:

Actually only 1 player from the Yankees, the rest were coaches and support staff. And none of the cases were serious enough to require hospitalization. And I believe that the player in question was just taken out of quarantine and is now allowed to play after negative tests, a much shorter time than the usual requirement of 10 days.

That is some real hair splitting.

[BlerkOne]

9 minutes ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

Find blerk, you win.  I’m not sure what you win, but you won..  You’ve been steadfast thst the only way to cruise is fully vaccinated with full time masks, evidence be damned. 

No, it isn't and I have consistently said there are two paths - one with vaccinations and one with test cruises until the data says the mitigation efforts are effective. Although those aren't my words - they come from the CDC.

 

You really can't compare cruising in Europe with cruising in the US.

[ontheweb]

3 minutes ago, Mariketa said:

That is some real hair splitting.

No, it is correcting the person who posted that 7 Yankee PLAYERS had tested positive for covid.

[tallnthensome]

2 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

 

But positive, the cruise line will have to report a positive case, would they not.

You're avoiding the issue ..... Who is more likely to become infected with a severe case of covid possibly needing hospitalization thus causing a cruise disruption to all? A vaccinated person on unvaccinated? You and I both know the answer to that question based on what I told you a second ago about the situation at the hospital where I work. That should be a real concern yet could be almost eliminated with fully vaccinated cruises. 

[BlerkOne]

16 minutes ago, tallnthensome said:

Thats not the issue. The issue is level of severeness..... No one, not one of the people that have come into the emergency center where I have been working with severe covid cases as well as being admitted has been a fully vaccinated person. Not one..... All unvaccinated people .....

There have been a number of breakthrough covid cases requiring hospitalization and some of those patients have died. It happens, but not in huge numbers.

[Mariketa]

1 minute ago, hurricane0226 said:

exactly, they do not shut the airline industry down if they find out someone have gotten covid on

an international flight do they, No.   

There is literally no other thing being treated like the cruise industry. It's ridiculous. Such a gross overreach.

[embarkation75]

What people are not talking about is the varied experience vaccinated vs unvaccinated would experience on a cruise. At this point, the path for vaccinated passengers looks easy while unvaccinated will need to be fairly committed to cruising as between testing, mask wearing, and limited shore excursions...it doesn't look anything like normal for what could be the first year after resumption of cruising. Given the extent unvaccinated will have to jump through to get onboard, I have no problem cruising with them as the limitations alone will turn many of the unvaccinated away while testing for unvaccinated filters out many of the folks not taking covid seriously.

[BlerkOne]

8 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

so cannot just blame the anti-vaxxers, if someone that was vaccinated comes up positive.

No, you can't. But a breakthrough case does have a way better chance of being asymptomatic, and less likely to infect someone else due to lower viral loads. Chances of a serious case or death greatly decrease.

[BlerkOne]

8 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

exactly, they do not shut the airline industry down if they find out someone have gotten covid on

an international flight do they, No.   

Depending on where you are going or coming from, testing is often required before you get on the international flight. Masks are required.

 

I can't see shutting down airlines - they are too essential, and have already gone bankrupt and been bailed out enough.

[Mariketa]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Depending on where you are going or coming from, testing is often required before you get on the international flight. Masks are required.

 

I can't see shutting down airlines - they are too essential, and have already gone bankrupt and been bailed out enough.

I also can't see shutting down airlines, but man, if you're going to require a vaccine, wouldn't that be the place to start? Seems like if it was really that important then it would have happened in that industry months ago.

[embarkation75]

With Carnival "supposedly" within 45-60 days of whatever cruise type (test, vaccinated only, never leave the port) we can start to layout the different paths a vaccinated passenger will experience vs unvaccinated (assuming they are allowed to cruise) will follow possibly up to a year after resumption of cruises.

 

Embarkation:

Vaccinated - Whatever proof of vaccination and onto the ship well before unvaccinated 

Unvaccinated - COVID testing ahead of embarkation and possibly also on embarkation day at the cost of the passenger.  Last on the ship

 

Cruise: 

Vaccinated - Limited times of mask wearing, most shore excursions available, freedom to get off the ship to explore at ports without excursions,  less restriction on dining options and entertainment.

Unvaccinated - Mask wearing mandatory at all times, limited to no shore excursions, no ability to get off ship without Carnival controlled excursion, a significantly altered dining and entertainment experience

 

Debarkation:

Vaccinated - Off the ship first and away they go to home

Unvaccinated - More testing and last off the ship

 

In summary, if you are unvaccinated and willing to jump through all of those hoops and have your cruise experience altered that much, then I have no worries being on a ship with you as you will have earned it.

Edited May 19, 2021 by embarkation75

[bucfan2]

4 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

The first fully approved vaccine might be in play before the CSO expires. 🙂

You are correct Sir.  Or perhaps the 15th variant/strain.

[skridge]

1 hour ago, Mariketa said:

There is literally no other thing being treated like the cruise industry. It's ridiculous. Such a gross overreach.

There is no other industry like the cruise industry where up to 10 thousand people are on a boat together eating together indoors in bars together indoors and stay on the ship for 7 days or more.  It would have been gross negligence for them to allow the cruise industry to continue operating in the middle of a pandemic.

[TNcruising02]

1 hour ago, Mariketa said:

I also can't see shutting down airlines, but man, if you're going to require a vaccine, wouldn't that be the place to start? Seems like if it was really that important then it would have happened in that industry months ago.

Exactly!  Yet it was fine to fly untested and unvaccinated this entire time.  Just put on a flimsy mask and all is well for your four hour flight.  Don't worry about the contact in the airports with international travelers. To shut down the cruise lines and let people fly like covid won't spread at airports or on airplanes was ridiculous.  I don't know why the cruise lines were shut down for a year, but all I can think of is that they aren't paying up in some way.   Other countries have more common sense than the US when it comes to cruising.

[hurricane0226]

3 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Exactly!  Yet it was fine to fly untested and unvaccinated this entire time.  Just put on a flimsy mask and all is well for your four hour flight.  Don't worry about the contact in the airports with international travelers. To shut down the cruise lines and let people fly like covid won't spread at airports or on airplanes was ridiculous.  I don't know why the cruise lines were shut down for a year, but all I can think of is that they aren't paying up in some way.   Other countries have more common sense than the US when it comes to cruising.

True 

[skridge]

3 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Exactly!  Yet it was fine to fly untested and unvaccinated this entire time.  Just put on a flimsy mask and all is well for your four hour flight.  Don't worry about the contact in the airports with international travelers. To shut down the cruise lines and let people fly like covid won't spread at airports or on airplanes was ridiculous.  I don't know why the cruise lines were shut down for a year, but all I can think of is that they aren't paying up in some way.   Other countries have more common sense than the US when it comes to cruising.

It is time for the cruise industry to get back to cruising because the vaccine is working.  That doesn't mean we should have been cruising this entire time.  Trapping a bunch of people on a cruise ship in the middle of a pandemic would have been assanine.  There are many on these boards that wanted to do just that...