Carnival might not require Covid vaccine.

[moreland281]

Good !! 

I hope they do not require it !!

 

I do not like the idea of anyone telling anyone else what they HAVE to do, especially on an unproven and not approved medical vaccine or device. 

 

But that is my .02 and like the old saying - everyone has a their opinion, just like a butthole , and they all stink 

 

 

[Sinbadssailors]

Question - 

Does Carnival have to start cruises from a specific port in order to get approval to sail from that port?

 

Could they do the vaccine-required sailings out of Texas, get approval to get out of Phase 3(or whatever it is now, phase 2d/1-7 or whatever)and then go out of Florida w/o asking about vaccinations?

 

Are US ports considered part of separate states, or ports of the country, as far as the CDC is concerned?

[ProgRockCruiser]

35 minutes ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

If only we had an example of active cruises over the last 8 months where vaccines weren't required (or weren't even available) so that we could study what happens on cruises where not everyone is vaccinated....

 

oh wait, we do.

 

If the typical US-based cruiser was the equivalent to the typical European and Singaporean cruiser, your comparison is fair.

 

But I don't think they are.  US based cruisers will have little time for the many (many!) conditions placed on the cruisers that have been successfully cruising elsewhere.

 

Also, many (perhaps the majority) of the successful cruises were wholly within the home port country, or an occasional foray into one other country, where strict protocols were in place.  The Caribbean isn't comparable to the typical Mediterranean destination right now, IMHO.

 

Soon, perhaps, but not quite yet.

[Sinbadssailors]

10 minutes ago, Sinbadssailors said:

Question - 

Does Carnival have to start cruises from a specific port in order to get approval to sail from that port?

 

Could they do the vaccine-required sailings out of Texas, get approval to get out of Phase 3(or whatever it is now, phase 2d/1-7 or whatever)and then go out of Florida w/o asking about vaccinations?

 

Are US ports considered part of separate states, or ports of the country, as far as the CDC is concerned?

Can we all just be adults for a minute? I have an actual cruise question above.

Once a cruisline sails with the optional vaccinated levels, are they then able to sail out of any US port?

 

There's no need for even more people to get involved in this back-and-forth..

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

13 minutes ago, Sinbadssailors said:

Question - 

Does Carnival have to start cruises from a specific port in order to get approval to sail from that port?

 

Could they do the vaccine-required sailings out of Texas, get approval to get out of Phase 3(or whatever it is now, phase 2d/1-7 or whatever)and then go out of Florida w/o asking about vaccinations?

 

Are US ports considered part of separate states, or ports of the country, as far as the CDC is concerned?

Currently Florida law does not allow any business or an company doing business in Florida to check if anyone has received the vaccine or face a $5000 fine. Stupid? Yes! The cruise industry must receive an exemption from this dumb law.

[ProgRockCruiser]

1 minute ago, Sinbadssailors said:

Can we all just be adults for a minute? I have an actual cruise question above.

Once a cruisline sails with the optional vaccinated levels, are they then able to sail out of any US port?

 

There's no need for even more people to get involved in this back-and-forth..

The conditions for the test cruises are for that ship at the very least.  And I think the conditions of the test cruises must match the conditions of future cruises: i.e. no, they couldn't sail out of TX with fully vaxxed pax and then slide on over to Miami and let an unknown % of unvaxxed sail under the same conditions.

 

But maybe the CDC could be convinced, or maybe I'm reading it wrong.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

1 minute ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

The conditions for the test cruises are for that ship at the very least.  And I think the conditions of the test cruises must match the conditions of future cruises: i.e. no, they couldn't sail out of TX with fully vaxxed pax and then slide on over to Miami and let an unknown % of unvaxxed sail under the same conditions.

 

But maybe the CDC could be convinced, or maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Test cruises are a recommendation not a requirement.

[ninjacat123]

1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said:

The only negative I can see are the ridiculous mask mandates for cruises.  That is my only concern about cruising with unvaccinated people.  I don't want to have to wear a mask just because some people aren't vaccinated.

Shouldn't the unvaccinated wear a mask to protect themselves, if they want to?  CDC has said vaccinated people are not required to wear masks outside and that you don't have to replace your mask between bites or sips when dining.  I'm hoping by Jan 2022 this gets figured out, because that's my next cruise date😃

[ProgRockCruiser]

3 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Test cruises are a recommendation not a requirement.

Concur.  That wasn't the point under discussion.  But it is only one of two choices: successful test cruises with lots of protocols, or skip test cruises if 95% pax vaxxed.

 

The question was: if a test cruise is done out of TX with 95-100% vaxxed pax (to make the test cruise go easy), can Carnival then say "see, test cruises work" and start cruising out of FL with an unknown number of unvaxxed cruisers?

 

I think the answer is no.

 

If a cruise line wants to cruise with more than 5% unvaxxed (or at least an indeterminant number), they have to run test cruises with a similar mix of pax (otherwise the test isn't valid for comparison).

 

They only get to skip test cruises if at least 95% of pax are vaxxed.  Since FL has (until challenged) banned being able to ask for proof of vax, cruises out of FL will have to be done with Test Cruises first.

 

That is my take on it.

[ProgRockCruiser]

7 minutes ago, ninjacat123 said:

Shouldn't the unvaccinated wear a mask to protect themselves, if they want to?  CDC has said vaccinated people are not required to wear masks outside and that you don't have to replace your mask between bites or sips when dining.  I'm hoping by Jan 2022 this gets figured out, because that's my next cruise date😃

Yes, that is the gist of the recent CDC guidance.

 

The issue at hand is: what is likely to happen on a cruise with an unknown number of unvaxxed pax who possibly willfully don't wear masks or socially distance?  If a mini-outbreak were to occur, it could be a death knell on cruising as we know it.

[SRQbeachgirl]

3 hours ago, asalligo said:

This is their demographic. For every one of you saying you will not cruise Carnival unless they require the vaccine, there are ten people who want to cruise and will not get the vaccine. 

 

And then there are those of us who have multiple cruises booked on Carnival and HAVE gotten the vaccine, who are more than ready and willing to cruise regardless of whether vaccines are required of all passengers or not.

 

Some of us just don't fit neatly into a demographic.

 

[babygrljaz]

38 minutes ago, Sinbadssailors said:

Question - 

Does Carnival have to start cruises from a specific port in order to get approval to sail from that port?

 

Could they do the vaccine-required sailings out of Texas, get approval to get out of Phase 3(or whatever it is now, phase 2d/1-7 or whatever)and then go out of Florida w/o asking about vaccinations?

 

Are US ports considered part of separate states, or ports of the country, as far as the CDC is concerned?

I've been wondering the same thing.  I asked about the specific port yesterday but go ignored. 

On the vaccine requirement.  If Carnival had a data base that store our info say maybe our VIFP profiles were vaccine proof could be stored when verified from any port say maybe Baltimore??  So many other what ifs 🤔

[joeyancho]

I wonder if we will end up with 2 different types of cruising,  vaccinated and unvaccinated.  Will they be different experiences?  Will there be a different set of rules for each?   

[cruiseracer]

4 hours ago, deliver42 said:

I wouldn't go on a Carnival cruise for free without vaccinations. They will probably be the reason cruises get stopped again.

Isn't it great that no one is forcing you to go on a cruise with unvaxxed? Your body your decision... 😉

[TNcruising02]

49 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Yes, that is the gist of the recent CDC guidance.

 

The issue at hand is: what is likely to happen on a cruise with an unknown number of unvaxxed pax who possibly willfully don't wear masks or socially distance?  If a mini-outbreak were to occur, it could be a death knell on cruising as we know it.

I can definitely see that happening!  I am hoping that by the time late summer cruises open up, there will not be any mask mandates for anyone as long as you aren't right next to someone, just like it is at a land based restaurant or pool.

[BlerkOne]

3 hours ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

If only we had an example of active cruises over the last 8 months where vaccines weren't required (or weren't even available) so that we could study what happens on cruises where not everyone is vaccinated....

 

oh wait, we do.

 

We have no data on cruises with Americans, much less Americans following simple instructions like masks, social distancing (including by the pool), etc. If there were any ports, excursions were ship sponsors and passengers who disobeyed the rules were denying boarding the ship again.

 

I could live with those rules.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, cruiseracer said:

Isn't it great that no one is forcing you to go on a cruise with unvaxxed? Your body your decision... 😉

Nobody is forced to go on a cruise. Allowing the unvaxed on a cruise is a cruise line decision which only delays revenue cruises. Just doing test cruises doesn't mean cruising can begin - the CDC is going to be watching like a hawk and decides if the cruise line passes the tests. Not the cruise line, a politician, or antivaxxers.

[Radiioman46]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

Nobody is forced to go on a cruise. Allowing the unvaxed on a cruise is a cruise line decision which only delays revenue cruises. Just doing test cruises doesn't mean cruising can begin - the CDC is going to be watching like a hawk and decides if the cruise line passes the tests. Not the cruise line, a politician, or antivaxxers.

Test cruises will not necessarily be non revenue. they have casinos, drinks, specialty dining.....

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, joeyancho said:

I wonder if we will end up with 2 different types of cruising,  vaccinated and unvaccinated.  Will they be different experiences?  Will there be a different set of rules for each?   

If they did, the unvaxxed would have many more rules. But I see that as less likely than cruises for smokers vs non-smokers.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, Radiioman46 said:

Test cruises will not necessarily be non revenue. they have casinos, drinks, specialty dining.....

I would think those would all be included since they all have to be sufficiently tested. Where did you see they would charge for such activities? Nobody could cash out of the casino, obviously.

 

When I've been on "volunteer" ships, there was never a charge for anything.

[beerman2]

And as has been the case on most topics, these comments are all speculation, all one's opinion with very little FACT as to what is going to happen on board.

 

What we think we know today will most likely change a few more times before a cruise actually sails. 

 

 

[bucfan2]

3 hours ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

If only we had an example of active cruises over the last 8 months where vaccines weren't required (or weren't even available) so that we could study what happens on cruises where not everyone is vaccinated....

 

oh wait, we do.

 

I find it humorous as it used to be 'everyone's choice' to get vax or supposedly no be able to cruise, and now that vaxing may not required, those don't see cruising as 'everyone's choice' any longer!  (BTW, I'm vaxed....just a huge believer in 'to each his own'....and no, it's not a vax....it's an experimental therapy at this time lol).

[BlerkOne]

7 minutes ago, bucfan2 said:

I find it humorous as it used to be 'everyone's choice' to get vax or supposedly no be able to cruise, and now that vaxing may not required, those don't see cruising as 'everyone's choice' any longer!  (BTW, I'm vaxed....just a huge believer in 'to each his own'....and no, it's not a vax....it's an experimental therapy at this time lol).

The first fully approved vaccine might be in play before the CSO expires. 🙂

[Mariketa]

4 hours ago, Sinbadssailors said:

Question - 

Does Carnival have to start cruises from a specific port in order to get approval to sail from that port?

 

Could they do the vaccine-required sailings out of Texas, get approval to get out of Phase 3(or whatever it is now, phase 2d/1-7 or whatever)and then go out of Florida w/o asking about vaccinations?

 

Are US ports considered part of separate states, or ports of the country, as far as the CDC is concerned?

I am pretty sure Texas joined the lawsuit against the CDC, so I don't think they are going to let it happen here. 

[Mariketa]

3 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Currently Florida law does not allow any business or an company doing business in Florida to check if anyone has received the vaccine or face a $5000 fine. Stupid? Yes! The cruise industry must receive an exemption from this dumb law.

I'm all for vaccines if you want them, but I'm actually really glad someone is standing up for our rights on this. It will creep into other areas, it always does.