lampskies Posted June 7, 2021 #1 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Ok, so local news this morning stated that RCCL will not require proof of vaccination sailing out of Florida and Texas due to Governors executive orders. 5000.00 fine every time if they ask for proof…..but they put this statement out Friday “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date," Royal Caribbean said on Friday. So if legally they can’t ask how can they undergo “testing protocols”? Is it just going to be another question on form before boarding? Like the one now? Have you been sick etc in last few days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100viper Posted June 7, 2021 #2 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) I’ll start off by saying, no one knows 100% except for Royal Caribbean. And that’s changing weekly. From your quote you provided, I’d say it sounds like you’ll be doing a COVID test if you can’t prove you’re vaccinated. Edited June 7, 2021 by 100viper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted June 7, 2021 #3 Share Posted June 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, lampskies said: Ok, so local news this morning stated that RCCL will not require proof of vaccination sailing out of Florida and Texas due to Governors executive orders. 5000.00 fine every time if they ask for proof…..but they put this statement out Friday “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date," Royal Caribbean said on Friday. So if legally they can’t ask how can they undergo “testing protocols”? Is it just going to be another question on form before boarding? Like the one now? Have you been sick etc in last few days? Lol texas law doesnt prohibit cruiselines asking for vaccines status. Only florida. Texas law applies to state funded institutions like colleges. First sailings are also out of texas, but we dont prohibit asking. Dont know if your news is wrong or you misunderstood. It is true both texas and florida are announced for first sailings. I also heard those not vaccinated will be tested at boarding. .. odd it's the news not coming from rcl. Stick around, the protocols change weekly. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravbo Posted June 7, 2021 #4 Share Posted June 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, lampskies said: So if legally they can’t ask how can they undergo “testing protocols”? Easy solution. ALL passengers undergo testing and other protocols HOWEVER if you voluntarily submit proof of vaccination you are not required to undergo testing or other protocols. Issued a colored bracelet to be worn throughout cruise to assist crew in identifying who is not required to wear masks or other protocols. 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibby sails Posted June 7, 2021 #5 Share Posted June 7, 2021 how dare you present an easy solution that shows common sense. That will never fly around here. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney Posted June 7, 2021 #6 Share Posted June 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ravbo said: Easy solution. ALL passengers undergo testing and other protocols HOWEVER if you voluntarily submit proof of vaccination you are not required to undergo testing or other protocols. Issued a colored bracelet to be worn throughout cruise to assist crew in identifying who is not required to wear masks or other protocols. I wonder if this would work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montanagirlalways Posted June 7, 2021 #7 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Ravbo said: Easy solution. ALL passengers undergo testing and other protocols HOWEVER if you voluntarily submit proof of vaccination you are not required to undergo testing or other protocols. Issued a colored bracelet to be worn throughout cruise to assist crew in identifying who is not required to wear masks or other protocols. agree!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 7, 2021 #8 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, 100viper said: I’ll start off by saying, no one knows 100% except for Royal Caribbean. And that’s changing weekly. From your quote you provided, I’d say it sounds like you’ll be doing a COVID test if you can’t prove you’re vaccinated. But how do you prove vaccination status without running afoul of the FL law 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100viper Posted June 7, 2021 #9 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, John&LaLa said: But how do you prove vaccination status without running afoul of the FL law Give people the option to show it to get out of testing. At that point RC isn’t asking for it, the passenger is voluntarily supplying the information. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 7, 2021 #10 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, 100viper said: Give people the option to show it to get out of testing. At that point RC isn’t asking for it, the passenger is voluntarily supplying the information. Possibly, but that goes against the spirit of the law. The whole point is to avoid creating two classes of people. Haves and have nots, so to speak 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan1129 Posted June 7, 2021 #11 Share Posted June 7, 2021 This opt in/opt out procedure is what some of the employers in Chicago are asking of their employees so it is a voluntary option. You can be vaccinated and opt out because you don't want to share medical information with a company. You would just then have to follow their specific COVID protocols. If you opt in, voluntarily, you get to not wear a mask and not get tested. Simple. Effective. It's what should be done and probably will be done. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadaboutgal Posted June 7, 2021 #12 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Adventure cruises from the Bahamas are set up this way: Bahamas requires a PCR test within 5 days of country entry except if one can show proof of vax. Royal then requires testing at check-in unless passenger shows proof of vax. All vax passengers are then exempt from Covid protocols on the ship. Edited June 7, 2021 by gadaboutgal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 7, 2021 #13 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, lampskies said: Ok, so local news this morning stated that RCCL will not require proof of vaccination sailing out of Florida and Texas due to Governors executive orders. 5000.00 fine every time if they ask for proof I don’t believe RCL has said this. This is strictly from media and those against our Governor. This is my opinion, Royal is a family oriented cruise line and they couldn’t meet the 95% with kids included in the count. Mr Fain more or less said this in his last update. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrapps Posted June 7, 2021 #14 Share Posted June 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Possibly, but that goes against the spirit of the law. The whole point is to avoid creating two classes of people. Haves and have nots, so to speak I don't know that I agree with that...those without the vaccine are not being denied service, but the people who voluntarily offer it are getting additional services. Those who book a concierge room are voluntarily giving the cruise line something (money) and getting additional services in return, access to areas of the ship that others don't have access to (lounges, etc). Same here, if you voluntarily give them proof of vaccine (which IS LEGAL TO DO) then you get something in return. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurUSCG Posted June 7, 2021 #15 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Ravbo said: Easy solution. ALL passengers undergo testing and other protocols HOWEVER if you voluntarily submit proof of vaccination you are not required to undergo testing or other protocols. Issued a colored bracelet to be worn throughout cruise to assist crew in identifying who is not required to wear masks or other protocols. I kind of like that idea, passengers 16+ and then 12+ in august must have daily brain cleaning but if you wish to show us your CDC card, you get a special band and don't need to have the daily brain cleaning. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 7, 2021 #16 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, jrapps said: I don't know that I agree with that...those without the vaccine are not being denied service, but the people who voluntarily offer it are getting additional services. Those who book a concierge room are voluntarily giving the cruise line something (money) and getting additional services in return, access to areas of the ship that others don't have access to (lounges, etc). Same here, if you voluntarily give them proof of vaccine (which IS LEGAL TO DO) then you get something in return. I’m with John @John&LaLa on this. It’s very clear what the intent of the law is for. Anything to do with showing some proof goes against the law. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurUSCG Posted June 7, 2021 #17 Share Posted June 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Possibly, but that goes against the spirit of the law. The whole point is to avoid creating two classes of people. Haves and have nots, so to speak We don't know the spirit of the law, some my argue the spirit of the law was to solidify his base for reelection. 23 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boatseller Posted June 7, 2021 #18 Share Posted June 7, 2021 The law says "may not require...to gain access". No one is being denied access based on vax status. You can still use your vax status to avoid 'protocols' if you choose to do so. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrapps Posted June 7, 2021 #19 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, M8VER3 said: I’m with John @John&LaLa on this. It’s very clear what the intent of the law is for. Anything to do with showing some proof goes against the law. Regardless, the law does not make it illegal to ask for proof, and does not make it illegal for proof to be shown. It is illegal to REQUIRE proof. That is all. If the FL legislature would like to change the language of the law to cover more, that is their right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrapps Posted June 7, 2021 #20 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, M8VER3 said: I’m with John @John&LaLa on this. It’s very clear what the intent of the law is for. Anything to do with showing some proof goes against the law. The other perspective here is jurisdiction. FL has argued that they have jurisdiction on controlling who can get on the ship based on vax status. Fair enough, I know some argue against this but there is at least some logic to this argument. They most certainly have no jurisdiction as to what a cruise line asks for, and what services they provide or deny while onboard as soon as that ship is 12 miles out at sea. People can argue letter of law, intent of the law all they want. Once you have left FL, there is nothing that law can do. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 7, 2021 #21 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, jrapps said: Regardless, the law does not make it illegal to ask for proof, and does not make it illegal for proof to be shown. It is illegal to REQUIRE proof. That is all. If the FL legislature would like to change the language of the law to cover more, that is their right. We got to agree to that we have different opinions. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrapps Posted June 7, 2021 #22 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, M8VER3 said: We got to agree to that we have different opinions. Peace Yep. Neither of us are right or wrong, just a different perspective. All is good. In the end, neither of us have any control over this. We are just along for the ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8VER3 Posted June 7, 2021 #23 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, jrapps said: The other perspective here is jurisdiction. FL has argued that they have jurisdiction on controlling who can get on the ship based on vax status. Fair enough, I know some argue against this but there is at least some logic to this argument. They most certainly have no jurisdiction as to what a cruise line asks for, and what services they provide or deny while onboard as soon as that ship is 12 miles out at sea. People can argue letter of law, intent of the law all they want. Once you have left FL, there is nothing that law can do. Obviously, this is your opinion. I respect that. I just disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI66774 Posted June 7, 2021 #24 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, firefly333 said: Lol texas law doesnt prohibit cruiselines asking for vaccines status. Only florida. Texas law applies to state funded institutions like colleges. First sailings are also out of texas, but we dont prohibit asking. Dont know if your news is wrong or you misunderstood. It is true both texas and florida are announced for first sailings. I also heard those not vaccinated will be tested at boarding. .. odd it's the news not coming from rcl. Stick around, the protocols change weekly. Not so fast. It governs any public OR private entity that has received one dime of taxpayer money - think Port of Galveston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI66774 Posted June 7, 2021 #25 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, jrapps said: The other perspective here is jurisdiction. FL has argued that they have jurisdiction on controlling who can get on the ship based on vax status. Fair enough, I know some argue against this but there is at least some logic to this argument. They most certainly have no jurisdiction as to what a cruise line asks for, and what services they provide or deny while onboard as soon as that ship is 12 miles out at sea. People can argue letter of law, intent of the law all they want. Once you have left FL, there is nothing that law can do. This sounds correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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