Art Auctions?

[jg51]

1 hour ago, ORV said:

So getting back to the original question. Since cruising has RESTARTED, has anyone seen or heard reports of the art auctions on board? 

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Actually, the "original question" by "MikeKool" was this:

"Are there art auctions on the Celebrity Edge?"

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But, "ORV," if you would like to reframe the question to ask about the new cruises that have just begun, we have a good answer for you.  On Wednesday, CrCr member "Seany527" started a very helpful (but much neglected) thread titled ...

"Celebrity Today’s from Millennium’s Sint Maarten Sailings"

 

In this thread he/she/they made it possible for us to see the actual "dailies" from Millie's first new-era cruise (June 12, 2021).  If you look through them, you will see that Park West had some (so-called "art") auctions.

 

We will post a follow-up message  shortly, to explain why we used the snide language -- "so-called art" auctions.  For now, however, here is a link to the thread that we mentioned above:

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2785624-celebrity-today’s-from-millennium’s-sint-maarten-sailings/

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Have fun at sea!

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Edited June 20, 2021 by jg51

[ORV]

8 minutes ago, jg51 said:

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Actually, the "original question" by "MikeKool" was this:

"Are there art auctions on the Celebrity Edge?"

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But, "ORV," if you would like to reframe the question to ask about the new cruises that have just begun, we have a good answer for you.  On Wednesday, CrCr member "Seany527" started a very helpful (but much neglected) thread titled ...

"Celebrity Today’s from Millennium’s Sint Maarten Sailings"

 

In this thread he/she/they made it possible for us to see the actual "dailies" from Millie's first new-era cruise (June 12, 2021).  If you look through them, you will see that Park West had some (so-called "art") auctions.

 

We will post a follow-up message  shortly, to explain why we used the snide language -- "so-called art" auctions.  For now, however, here is a link to the thread that we mentioned above:

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2785624-celebrity-today’s-from-millennium’s-sint-maarten-sailings/

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Have fun at sea!

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Thanks, things must be back to normal if they're having them. I haven't really followed any live from as I'm waiting for more normal itineraries. Been to most of the Caribbean and for the most part am not ready to go back any time soon. 

[jg51]

4 minutes ago, jg51 said:

... We will post a follow-up message  shortly, to explain why we used the snide language -- "so-called art" auctions.  ...

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As promised/threatened, above, we are back with an explanation as to why we have never purchased anything at an auction aboard a ship.  We recommend (here, at CrCr) that no one bid on anything -- but we never say that to a fellow guest on board, because we don't want to take away any of their fun. 

 

We ourselves never bid, because we do not consider the merchandise to be genuine art (with just a few exceptions).  Why?  We have read that almost everything being offered is a reproduction, made in vast quantities through a recent [late 1980s] process called "giclee," which involves inkjet printers.  [That is why you may have seen what seemed to be the same original painting on dozens of different ships!]  Sometimes the output (which we cannot honestly call a "painting" or even a "print") then has some brushstrokes added (to give a "work" a bit of impasto -- so much the better to fool the public!

 

We would recommend bidding only on true, original works of art (e.g., sculptures, oil paintings, water colors) -- or, if necessary, on old-fashioned [silkscreen, woodblock, etc.], authorized, limited-edition, approved-and-signed-by-artist PRINTs.  Neither the former nor the latter, in our opinion, includes what is made by the giclee process.

 

In closing, we want to agree with the jist of what another member stated, in an earlier post in this thread.  Although we have decided not to bid at auctions aboard ships (for the reasons stated above), we have never asked any cruise line -- in fifteen years -- not to have those auctions, for two reasons:  (1) They seem to give pleasure to people who do not realize what they are doing, and ... (2) They probably rake in a mountain of cash for the cruise line, thereby "subsidizing" our own cruise [effectively lowering our fare!]. 

 

The same can be said of each and every one of the following features on cruises -- in which we choose not to invest any funds, but gladly accept the "subsidy" that they provide for us poor old folks, by lowering our fare.  We have never asked a cruise line to stop offering these, even though we have aways said ...

~~~ "no" to all products and services at spas ...

~~~ "no" to a ships' excursions (unless one is the only way to get to highly desirable destination) ...

~~~ "no" to "Chef's Table," which always seems overpriced ...

~~~ "no" to the casino ...

~~~ "no" to bingo ...

~~~ "no" to photos ...

~~~ "no" to most merchandise (clothing, watches, jewelry, etc) in the shops [although duty-free liquor and fragrances are OK].

 

We are now stepping down off the "soap box."

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[LGW59]

1 minute ago, jg51 said:

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As promised/threatened, above, we are back with an explanation as to why we have never purchased anything at an auction aboard a ship.  We recommend (here, at CrCr) that no one bid on anything -- but we never say that to a fellow guest on board, because we don't want to take away any of their fun. 

 

We ourselves never bid, because we do not consider the merchandise to be genuine art (with just a few exceptions).  Why?  We have read that almost everything being offered is a reproduction, made in vast quantities through a recent [late 1980s] process called "giclee," which involves inkjet printers.  [That is why you may have seen what seemed to be the same original painting on dozens of different ships!]  Sometimes the output (which we cannot honestly call a "painting" or even a "print") then has some brushstrokes added (to give a "work" a bit of impasto -- so much the better to fool the public!

 

We would recommend bidding only on true, original works of art (e.g., sculptures, oil paintings, water colors) -- or, if necessary, on old-fashioned [silkscreen, woodblock, etc.], authorized, limited-edition, approved-and-signed-by-artist PRINTs.  Neither the former nor the latter, in our opinion, includes what is made by the giclee process.

 

In closing, we want to agree with the jist of what another member stated, in an earlier post in this thread.  Although we have decided not to bid at auctions aboard ships (for the reasons stated above), we have never asked any cruise line -- in fifteen years -- not to have those auctions, for two reasons:  (1) They seem to give pleasure to people who do not realize what they are doing, and ... (2) They probably rake in a mountain of cash for the cruise line, thereby "subsidizing" our own cruise [effectively lowering our fare!]. 

 

The same can be said of each and every one of the following features on cruises -- in which we choose not to invest any funds, but gladly accept the "subsidy" that they provide for us poor old folks, by lowering our fare.  We have never asked a cruise line to stop offering these, even though we have aways said ...

~~~ "no" to all products and services at spas ...

~~~ "no" to a ships' excursions (unless one is the only way to get to highly desirable destination) ...

~~~ "no" to "Chef's Table," which always seems overpriced ...

~~~ "no" to the casino ...

~~~ "no" to bingo ...

~~~ "no" to photos ...

~~~ "no" to most merchandise (clothing, watches, jewelry, etc) in the shops [although duty-free liquor and fragrances are OK].

 

We are now stepping down off the "soap box."

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Really no one cares about this novel.  Find something real to concern yourself with.  🥳

[weregoingcruising]

18 minutes ago, jg51 said:

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As promised/threatened, above, we are back with an explanation as to why we have never purchased anything at an auction aboard a ship.  We recommend (here, at CrCr) that no one bid on anything -- but we never say that to a fellow guest on board, because we don't want to take away any of their fun. 

 

We ourselves never bid, because we do not consider the merchandise to be genuine art (with just a few exceptions).  Why?  We have read that almost everything being offered is a reproduction, made in vast quantities through a recent [late 1980s] process called "giclee," which involves inkjet printers.  [That is why you may have seen what seemed to be the same original painting on dozens of different ships!]  Sometimes the output (which we cannot honestly call a "painting" or even a "print") then has some brushstrokes added (to give a "work" a bit of impasto -- so much the better to fool the public!

 

We would recommend bidding only on true, original works of art (e.g., sculptures, oil paintings, water colors) -- or, if necessary, on old-fashioned [silkscreen, woodblock, etc.], authorized, limited-edition, approved-and-signed-by-artist PRINTs.  Neither the former nor the latter, in our opinion, includes what is made by the giclee process.

 

In closing, we want to agree with the jist of what another member stated, in an earlier post in this thread.  Although we have decided not to bid at auctions aboard ships (for the reasons stated above), we have never asked any cruise line -- in fifteen years -- not to have those auctions, for two reasons:  (1) They seem to give pleasure to people who do not realize what they are doing, and ... (2) They probably rake in a mountain of cash for the cruise line, thereby "subsidizing" our own cruise [effectively lowering our fare!]. 

 

The same can be said of each and every one of the following features on cruises -- in which we choose not to invest any funds, but gladly accept the "subsidy" that they provide for us poor old folks, by lowering our fare.  We have never asked a cruise line to stop offering these, even though we have aways said ...

~~~ "no" to all products and services at spas ...

~~~ "no" to a ships' excursions (unless one is the only way to get to highly desirable destination) ...

~~~ "no" to "Chef's Table," which always seems overpriced ...

~~~ "no" to the casino ...

~~~ "no" to bingo ...

~~~ "no" to photos ...

~~~ "no" to most merchandise (clothing, watches, jewelry, etc) in the shops [although duty-free liquor and fragrances are OK].

 

We are now stepping down off the "soap box."

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[weregoingcruising]

Did you buy the soap box and was it subsidized?

1 minute ago, weregoingcruising said:

 

 

[jg51]

31 minutes ago, weregoingcruising said:

Did you buy the soap box and was it subsidized?

 

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It was obtained "Chicago style" -- through gentle persuasion 😉

[Charles4515]

2 hours ago, jg51 said:

 

 

We ourselves never bid, because we do not consider the merchandise to be genuine art (with just a few exceptions).  Why?  We have read that almost everything being offered is a reproduction, made in vast quantities through a recent [late 1980s] process called "giclee," which involves inkjet printers.  [That is why you may have seen what seemed to be the same original painting on dozens of different ships!]  Sometimes the output (which we cannot honestly call a "painting" or even a "print") then has some brushstrokes added (to give a "work" a bit of impasto -- so much the better to fool the public!

 

 

 

OP and others like him here who have purchased at the "auctions"  here don't want to believe this and won't beleive it  because they have drunk the" "Kool" aid and believe they have purchased fine art. 

Edited June 20, 2021 by Charles4515

[MikeKool]

3 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

OP and others like him here who have purchased at the "auctions"  here don't want to believe this and won't beleive it  because they have drunk the" "Kool" aid and believe they have purchased fine art. 

With 15K+ posts you certainly have a big mouth. You must know everything about everything!

[TeeRick]

People on cruises can spend their money on anything they want.  If they like art auctions or blackjack or stone massages or giving great tips, or staying in a Royal Suite,  it is their money, their choice.  Why does it become so judgmental by some here?  I guess I will never understand this.  

[bEwAbG]

There was a longform article in the NY Times a couple years ago about Peter Max having advanced dementia and being exploited by a group of associates (including an estranged son) who had him signing works done by others (some being paid minimum wage).  Pretty sordid story.  Park West was a big player in it.  Just the tip of the iceberg.  Google them and read a few articles.  

Edited June 22, 2021 by bEwAbG