Rare LAFFNVEGAS Posted August 6, 2021 #76 Share Posted August 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: I have been following Pescado Amarillo's blog (her name is Jeannie and they live in the Denver area). I am also very concerned as her last post was two days ago. She had stated that she would post while in port where she could use WiFi and Ketchikan should have had plenty of places to post from. In addition the ship was held in port for longer than planned on account of the tragedy so I hope and pray that her and her husband are both ok. For those interested here is her blog, hope she posts soon. http://pescadoamarillo.blogspot.com/2021/08/ I have followed her off and on over the years as well. She has not posted since reporting on Glacier Bay and Icy Strait Point, there would have been Sitka after ICP and I had plenty of good cell reception in Sitka prior to Kethcikan. So she has missed both ports. It is possibly that she is having a hard time accessing her blog with the ship internet. Or at least I hope that is her problem. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted August 6, 2021 #77 Share Posted August 6, 2021 She normally cruises with Princess and my understanding from her blog is that she was not planning on using the Holland American internet; that she would be using either cell service when in port or local wifi. She would have had plenty of chances to touch base from Ketchikan after this tragedy thus my concerns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julia Posted August 6, 2021 #78 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I've been really enjoying her blog and photos... praying it's just an internet thing. 🙏 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted August 6, 2021 #79 Share Posted August 6, 2021 This was posted on August 6 (today) at 4:07 PM (CDT) - we may not know the name of the victims for a while. Poor weather conditions were hindering efforts to recover the bodies of six people who were killed when a sightseeing plane crashed in southeast Alaska, Alaska State Troopers said Friday. The victims have not been identified, and troopers were working with volunteers from the Ketchikan Volunteer Rescue Squad to coordinate recovery efforts. "Poor weather conditions and deteriorating visibility in the Ketchikan and Misty Fjords area have prevented the Alaska State Troopers and volunteers from the Ketchikan Volunteer Rescue Squad from conducting any recovery efforts this morning,” troopers spokesperson Austin McDaniel said in an email Friday to The Associated Press. Victims won’t be named until they have identified them following recovery efforts, he said. All five passengers were on an excursion of the Holland America Line cruise ship Nieuw Amsterdam. The company was making counseling services available to guests and crew, it said in a statement. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poor-weather-hampers-crash-victim-recovery-efforts-alaska-79321614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwfpb Posted August 6, 2021 #80 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: I have been following Pescado Amarillo's blog (her name is Jeannie and they live in the Denver area). I am also very concerned as her last post was two days ago. She had stated that she would post while in port where she could use WiFi and Ketchikan should have had plenty of places to post from. In addition the ship was held in port for longer than planned on account of the tragedy so I hope and pray that her and her husband are both ok. For those interested here is her blog, hope she posts soon. http://pescadoamarillo.blogspot.com/2021/08/ I don’t know if the names of all involved have been released, but two have been - a couple who lives about a quarter mile from us here in Napa, CA. They sound like they were wonderful, giving people. So sad. https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/napa-couple-killed-in-alaska-plane-crash/article_33ee0f8a-9201-5192-968e-34d3af3fa8c8.html#tracking-source=home-breaking Edited August 7, 2021 by markwfpb 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted August 7, 2021 #81 Share Posted August 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, markwfpb said: I don’t know if the names of all involved have been released, but two have been - a couple who lives about a quarter mile from us here in Napa, CA. I can’t seem to get a link to work, but if you go to napavalleyregister.com it’s the lead story. Thank you. I read the story - very sad for the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesandDavid Posted August 7, 2021 #82 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Information for two of those killed in the sightseeing plane crash in Alaska from Napa, Ca: www.napavalleyregister.com (jhuffman@napanews.com) God Bless them all Edited August 7, 2021 by LesandDavid spelling error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesandDavid Posted August 7, 2021 #83 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Thoughts and prayers to all the victims, families and friends Edited August 7, 2021 by LesandDavid duplicate information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwimum Posted August 7, 2021 #84 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: She normally cruises with Princess and my understanding from her blog is that she was not planning on using the Holland American internet; that she would be using either cell service when in port or local wifi. She would have had plenty of chances to touch base from Ketchikan after this tragedy thus my concerns. Edited August 7, 2021 by kiwimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted August 7, 2021 #85 Share Posted August 7, 2021 The ship is supposed to dock in Seattle on Saturday (tomorrow) at 7 AM. Jeannie (Pescado Amarillo) posted this: "We will not have WiFi on the Nieuw Amsterdam, but I will continue to blog and will publish posts (without photos, most likely) from the ports where we have cellular internet." There should be plenty of cell and wifi access in Seattle so hopefully we will hear from them tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julia Posted August 7, 2021 #86 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, bluesea321 said: All five passengers were on an excursion of the Holland America Line cruise ship Nieuw Amsterdam. The company was making counseling services available to guests and crew, it said in a statement. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poor-weather-hampers-crash-victim-recovery-efforts-alaska-79321614 Seriously poor reporting! Should read: "All five deceased were visiting Ketchikan aboard Holland America's Nieuw Amsterdam. The flightseeing excursion was not affiliated with the cruise line." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFNavigator Posted August 7, 2021 #87 Share Posted August 7, 2021 19 hours ago, julia said: In a news article, it stated that the cloud ceiling was 900ft, light mist and rain, visibility was two miles, and winds were 8mph. How would you rate those conditions? I would rate those conditions as extremely poor for what was supposed to be a visual sightseeing flight. Those conditions don't even meet Marginal Visual Flight Rules (MVFR) minimums, they fall solidly under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) conditions. Category Ceiling Visibility VFR >3,000 AGL and > 5 mi MVFR 1,000 to 3,000 AGL and/or 3 to 5 mi IFR 500 to 999 AGL and/or 1 mi to <3 mi LIFR <500 AGL and/or <1 mi VFR - Visual Flight Rules MVFR - Marginal VFR IFR - Instrument Flight Rules LIFR - Low IFR AGL - Above Ground Level If the pilot was not IFR rated, and didn't file for an IFR clearance (no information given in this forum as to the pilot's qualifications or filing status), then this flight should never have happened. There are countless aviation accidents resulting from pilots entering weather without the training nor qualifications to do so. They experience spatial disorientation (your brain doesn't know which way is up) after entering the clouds and lose control of the aircraft, often without even knowing it. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julia Posted August 7, 2021 #88 Share Posted August 7, 2021 @AFNavigatorThank you for this detailed reply, it is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted August 7, 2021 #89 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Some details on the tragedy here: https://www.newstribune.com/news/national/story/2021/aug/07/weather-hampers-crash-victim-recovery-efforts-in-alaska/882615/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syesmar Posted August 7, 2021 #90 Share Posted August 7, 2021 16 hours ago, bluesea321 said: The ship is supposed to dock in Seattle on Saturday (tomorrow) at 7 AM. Jeannie (Pescado Amarillo) posted this:... There should be plenty of cell and wifi access in Seattle so hopefully we will hear from them tomorrow. She made some posts this morning (8/7), thankfully. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavArch64 Posted August 7, 2021 #91 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just off the ship in Seattle. The Captain was extremely open and transparent about the accident at his Q and A yesterday afternoon. He showed compassion and concern for the families of those who were lost. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loreto Posted August 7, 2021 #92 Share Posted August 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, NavArch64 said: Just off the ship in Seattle. The Captain was extremely open and transparent about the accident at his Q and A yesterday afternoon. He showed compassion and concern for the families of those who were lost. We are just off the ship too. Cruise director Valerie started off the Ask The Captain addressing the tragedy, made it clear the weren’t going to take audience questions. Captain gave a respectful rundown as to all the services that were available including grief counseling and how devastating it is for the citizens of Ketchikan, where everyone knows everyone. I went out on a HAL excursion toward Misty Fjiords that morning. Weather was not good. The mood on the ship was subdued, with a small audience for the Step One dance show. Very sad for the families of those lost and I pray for them all. Karen 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANGELCAT Posted August 8, 2021 #93 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Per KTUU Anchorage, the victims of the tragedy have been recovered and identified 💔💔💔💔💔💔 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaofami Posted August 8, 2021 #94 Share Posted August 8, 2021 This is heartbreaking. We took the floatplane ride and also the helicopter ride out of Juneau. The float plane landed in the water and it was absolutely beautiful and quiet. The helicopter through the glaciers was the best tour I’ve ever taken. Such tragic news. Prayers for the families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Titan Posted August 8, 2021 #95 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) FROM YAHOO NEWS.... The passengers who died were Mark Henderson, 69, and Jacquelyn Komplin, 60, both of Napa California; Andrea McArthur, 55, and Rachel McArthur, 20, both of Woodstock, Georgia; and Janet Kroll, 77, of Mount Prospect, Illinois. The pilot was Rolf Lanzendorfer, 64, of Cle Elum, Washington Edited August 8, 2021 by Tennessee Titan 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiebabe Posted August 8, 2021 #96 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Tennessee Titan said: FROM YAHOO NEWS.... The passengers who died were Mark Henderson, 69, and Jacquelyn Komplin, 60, both of Napa California; Andrea McArthur, 55, and Rachel McArthur, 20, both of Woodstock, Georgia; and Janet Kroll, 77, of Mount Prospect, Illinois. The pilot was Rolf Lanzendorfer, 64, of Cle Elum, Washington Thanks for sharing! So sad for all the Families and appears a Mom and Daughter lost their lives that day! 😢 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare crusinbanjo Posted August 8, 2021 #97 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:28 AM, AFNavigator said: I would rate those conditions as extremely poor for what was supposed to be a visual sightseeing flight. Those conditions don't even meet Marginal Visual Flight Rules (MVFR) minimums, they fall solidly under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) conditions. Category Ceiling Visibility VFR >3,000 AGL and > 5 mi MVFR 1,000 to 3,000 AGL and/or 3 to 5 mi IFR 500 to 999 AGL and/or 1 mi to ❤️ mi LIFR <500 AGL and/or <1 mi VFR - Visual Flight Rules MVFR - Marginal VFR IFR - Instrument Flight Rules LIFR - Low IFR AGL - Above Ground Level If the pilot was not IFR rated, and didn't file for an IFR clearance (no information given in this forum as to the pilot's qualifications or filing status), then this flight should never have happened. There are countless aviation accidents resulting from pilots entering weather without the training nor qualifications to do so. They experience spatial disorientation (your brain doesn't know which way is up) after entering the clouds and lose control of the aircraft, often without even knowing it. Also, flying in IFR conditions, a glacier would not be very visible and a very real collision hazard. If an IFR flight clearance had been issued, the aircraft would need to be at “safe altitude” or above for that area ATC would never issue a clearance into an unsafe area. As an IFR certified pilot, I totally agree with your assessment. A 900 ft ceiling, 2 miles visibility is not adequate for VFR, and as everyone now knows quite dangerous. Flight should have been canceled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syesmar Posted August 8, 2021 #98 Share Posted August 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Tennessee Titan said: FROM YAHOO NEWS.... The passengers who died were Mark Henderson, 69, and Jacquelyn Komplin, 60, both of Napa California; Andrea McArthur, 55, and Rachel McArthur, 20, both of Woodstock, Georgia; and Janet Kroll, 77, of Mount Prospect, Illinois. The pilot was Rolf Lanzendorfer, 64, of Cle Elum, Washington Thanks. Just so heartbreaking. Prayers for their loved ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quack2 Posted August 8, 2021 #99 Share Posted August 8, 2021 According to their website, Southeast Aviation has suspended flight operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TiogaCruiser Posted August 8, 2021 #100 Share Posted August 8, 2021 4 hours ago, crusinbanjo said: Also, flying in IFR conditions, a glacier would not be very visible and a very real collision hazard. If an IFR flight clearance had been issued, the aircraft would need to be at “safe altitude” or above for that area ATC would never issue a clearance into an unsafe area. As an IFR certified pilot, I totally agree with your assessment. A 900 ft ceiling, 2 miles visibility is not adequate for VFR, and as everyone now knows quite dangerous. Flight should have been canceled. Dumb question here, I’m sure, but does ATC have any jurisdiction in Misty Fiords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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