Vaping on quantum of the seas

[Merion_Mom]

4 hours ago, Kitalion said:

Oh I have another question for you that is neither about the topic of this thread - but whilst I have your attention wonder if you have any info on the following:

ever since I watched the costa Concordia documentary about the sinking and tragedy I have wondered about those life boats and the angle should the ship list to one side like the Concordia.  Specifically in the doco they said one problem in getting people off was the angle of the ship relative to the overhang of the lifeboats preventing some of the life boats from lowering.  Im wondering:

On the RCI boats do they have a mechanism to overcome this such as an arm or other design feature that extends it further to prevent that and if so if the ship loses power will it still work?

Yes

[ONECRUISER]

8 hours ago, cruise1957 said:

So do we, we go up or down a deck to avoid the casino. Just got off Jewel, we went to the Pit Stop to watch the NFL playoff games, it was tough with the smoke coming out of the casino. We make it through one game and the Pit Stop and went up to the pool deck for both night games.

My Daughter also has too avoid area, smoke in past has triggered Asthma Attack in her. So we also go up or down and around Casino. Yes Casino can get real bad on Radiance class, at times can even smell it up/down a Deck outside Casino in Centrum. Have almost always done only longer 10+ nites where Ship is refueled at least once during the Sailing. When this is happens there is no smoking anywhere on Ship and includes the outside open decks, exception is in the Casino open or not. In past on some Cruises the had a smoke free casino on one of the Formal/Dress your Best nites...

[S.A.M.J.R.]

12 hours ago, Ret MP said:

However, I did say that I don't agree with some of what's on the invoice, doesn't mean that I will or will not obey what's on the invoice.  

Well, actually what you said is that you don't plan to obey it...

On 1/29/2023 at 3:15 PM, Ret MP said:

 Not that I agree with it or plan to obey it.

 

And the invoice that you posted doesn't say formal night is a "suggestion".  We all know RCI hasn't enforced a dress code for a long time.  And some people didn't like that.  Again, it's RCI's responsibility to enforce their rules.  Not a bunch of keyboard warriors. 

[Engineroom Snipe]

7 hours ago, Kitalion said:

Oh I have another question for you that is neither about the topic of this thread - but whilst I have your attention wonder if you have any info on the following:

ever since I watched the costa Concordia documentary about the sinking and tragedy I have wondered about those life boats and the angle should the ship list to one side like the Concordia.  Specifically in the doco they said one problem in getting people off was the angle of the ship relative to the overhang of the lifeboats preventing some of the life boats from lowering.  Im wondering:

On the RCI boats do they have a mechanism to overcome this such as an arm or other design feature that extends it further to prevent that and if so if the ship loses power will it still work?

 

There are design limitations of what angle (list) the lifeboats can be deployed. In the case of the Concordia, the decision to launch the lifeboats should have been made far ahead of this angle of limitation. While I am a mechanical engineer, hydrodynamics and static release angles are best answered by a marine architect. 

 

All of the lifeboats I have observed during my walks are designed to be launched absent of ship's power. If you notice on your next cruise, they rest upon angled slides so that gravity will move them away from the ship at the appropriate moment.  This is where the list of the ship is important. If the ship's list is greater than the designed angle, the lifeboat would have to be "pushed off". A fully loaded lifeboat on the Oasis class is 45 tonnes (just over 100,000 lbs!). It weighs more than a fully loaded 16-wheel tractor trailer. They are not designed to be "pushed off".

 

There are also life raft canisters that look like big plastic barrels. The ship has these for the crew and extra ones in case of emergencies such as a lifeboat failing to deploy. Even if the ship sinks, these canisters have special automatic releases that sense water pressure and will float to the surface and deploy. You will also notice that there is a wire from the special release mechanism. This wire can serve two purposes, one is to monitor the release mechanism and notify the bridge that a canister was deployed. Some canisters have a small mechanical charge which can be remotely activated by the bridge BEFORE the ship goes under water to release them at will.

 

There are a few on this site who might be better equipped to answer this question. 

[mil76]

I wonder if RCCL would make an exception to allow vaping on the lifeboats, especially if someone has a prescription...

 

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

[Engineroom Snipe]

25 minutes ago, mil76 said:

I wonder if RCCL would make an exception to allow vaping on the lifeboats, especially if someone has a prescription...

 

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

 

"I refuse to get into the lifeboat unless I can vape freely." 😤

 

The remarks and retorts from that captive crowd will probably make anything said here look truly diplomatic and tame.  🤣🤪

[davekathy]

3 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

"I refuse to get into the lifeboat unless I can vape freely." 😤

 

The remarks and retorts from that captive crowd will probably make anything said here look truly diplomatic and tame.  🤣🤪

Those lifeboats will only have oars. 🤣

[Mum2Mercury]

23 hours ago, sft429 said:

So one steward on one ship looked the other way when he caught your friend vaping.  That is not evidence that Royal doesn't care to enforce it, just that  one steward didn't care to enforce it.

Good point.  Case study is not the singular of Data. 

20 hours ago, goldfish65 said:

To be clear, I don't allow people to smoke in my house, ever, but on a cruise ship where I am just passing through the casino and the designated smoking areas are outdoors, it just doesn't bother me, personally. My clothes are not smelling of smoke. Most recently, it was nice seeing people able to enjoy a cigarette on their vacation without feeling like outcasts. Same with vape pens. Again, we should all follow the rules on the ship. 

I walk through the casino occasionally, as it is the quickest way to get to some places ... but if I'm going to the pool deck, I purposefully go to the non-smoking side, even if it means more steps.  

19 hours ago, Ret MP said:

I agree with those that enjoy the smell of cigarette smoke, too.  But, I'll not sink down into the giggle weeds to belittle someone that doesn't like or dislike what I do.  

Yeah, what I said wasn't kind.  That should've stayed an inside thought.  My apologies.  

17 hours ago, soremekun said:

I think this is the appropriate place for this question:

 

What are your thoughts about those who flush baby wipes down the cruise ship toilet?

The bathrooms have signs saying, "You can be fined $100 for flushing anything except toilet paper", and I've wondered HOW they could enforce this.  I mean, if the plumbing lines are clogged, how can they say it was your cabin or mine right next door who caused the problem?  

 

I'm all about following the rules, but when rules are unenforceable, people are more likely not to obey. 

2 hours ago, mil76 said:

I wonder if RCCL would make an exception to allow vaping on the lifeboats, especially if someone has a prescription...

 

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Changing the subject, but have you seen You Tubes about how these lifeboats work /how people are piled in three-high?  I'm a little terrified, but since people haven't been put into a lifeboat since I was literally in high school, I can live with that tiny possibility.   

[Engineroom Snipe]

7 minutes ago, Mum2Mercury said:

The bathrooms have signs saying, "You can be fined $100 for flushing anything except toilet paper", and I've wondered HOW they could enforce this.  I mean, if the plumbing lines are clogged, how can they say it was your cabin or mine right next door who caused the problem?  

 

 

Changing the subject, but have you seen You Tubes about how these lifeboats work /how people are piled in three-high?  I'm a little terrified, but since people haven't been put into a lifeboat since I was literally in high school, I can live with that tiny possibility.   

 

As far as the clogs go, forensic plumbers will be brought in and use DNA analysis (yes, small intestine villi constantly slough off with the you know what during the digestive process). The truth always comes out in the end 😁.

 

If necessary, RCI will spend more than the fine just to embarrass you from doing it again. Messing with RCI's plumbing will put you in arrears 😯with them. Enough said on that subject.

 

The current lifeboat seating design which piles them three high was created by a penny-pinching bean counter who said, "What choice will they have anyway? They either cram themselves aboard, like sardines in a floating can, or they can go down to Guest Services to complain and get an OBC (knowing that the OBC is only good for the current cruise)."😬 And NO, @Biker19, they will not have enough time to transfer the OBC to the casino and cash out. 🤣

[Ret MP]

7 hours ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

Well, actually what you said is that you don't plan to obey it...  Correct, I don't plan on obeying or adhere to that suggestion.

 

And the invoice that you posted doesn't say formal night is a "suggestion".  We all know RCI hasn't enforced a dress code for a long time.  And some people didn't like that.  Again, it's RCI's responsibility to enforce their rules.  Not a bunch of keyboard warriors. Correct again.  However, the invoice is not a regulating document either.  It doesn't say "shall", "required", or anything mandatory.  However, if you go to the FAQ, you see this:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/generic-onboard-dress-code

When you’re onboard, the right look will vary by venue. But here are a few types of suggested attire you’ll see, grouped by item.

• Casual: You’re on vacation – relax! Jeans, polos, sundresses and blouses are all the right amount of laid back. Please keep swimwear to the Pool Deck. Shorts are welcomed for breakfast and lunch.

• Smart Casual: Think of this as a step up from your typical dinner wear. Dress to impress with collared shirts, dresses, skirts and blouses, or pantsuits. Jackets, sports coats and blazers are snazzy and welcomed. 

• Formal: Make it a night out in your best black-tie look – suits and ties, tuxedos, cocktail dresses or evening gowns. There can be 1-3 formal nights during a sailing and is at the ship’s discretion.

 

Formal nights

Think of our formal dress code as a night out in your best black-tie look — suits and ties, tuxedos, cocktail dresses or evening gowns are all acceptable options. 

 

Keep in mind that I was responding to a post that said that there was no longer a "Dress Code".  My response was to inform that there is still a "Dress Code/Formal Night".  However, it is only a SUGGESTION.  On that I don't plan on adhering to as it is not a "RULE", just a suggestion. 

 

I really don't understand your pushback here.  I think we are on the same side of the issue.  I am a RULE follower.  If they make it a rule to wear a suit or tux into the MDR, I'll follow it or not go there to eat.  I'm telling you that I won't do a suit or tux, period.  But, there is no "RULE" at present and hasn't been for quit some time now.  

 

 

[S.A.M.J.R.]

10 minutes ago, Ret MP said:

I really don't understand your pushback here.  I think we are on the same side of the issue.  I am a RULE follower.  If they make it a rule to wear a suit or tux into the MDR, I'll follow it or not go there to eat.  I'm telling you that I won't do a suit or tux, period.  But, there is no "RULE" at present and hasn't been for quit some time now.  

Didn't mean to give the suggestion that one had to wear formal attire.  I know it's been a "suggestion" for many years.  I was just commenting on the invoice you posted followed by the comment that you won't follow it.  

 

Anyway, carry on!

 

[Ret MP]

1 minute ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

Didn't mean to give the suggestion that one had to wear formal attire.  I know it's been a "suggestion" for many years.  I was just commenting on the invoice you posted followed by the comment that you won't follow it.  

 

Anyway, carry on!

 

I just want to be clear because you made it seem that I was willingly going to not follow a rule <which isn't>, on an invoice that isn't a regulatory document and doesn't use the regulating language.  

[Husky1987]

1 hour ago, Mum2Mercury said:

I'm all about following the rules, but when rules are unenforceable, people are more likely not to obey. 

 

Yep, and pretty sure you just summed up the whole vaping in the cabins issue quite succinctly.

[Donsyb]

On 1/24/2023 at 12:44 PM, gavvy said:

 

There is so far Zero Evidence that vaping is as harmful as smoking. (there is some evidence that vape may cause some harm but nothing to suggest at the moment its like smoke)  I don't do either but I look at the facts, if somehow you have some information that vaping is as bad as smoking I suggest you share it in a science journal ASAP as all would be keen to hear it.

 

Vaping is not smoking by the way, Vape produces vape which is mainly water, smoking produces Smoke!

 

I prefer to look at facts to make an informed decision.  

My OH works in the field of medical research. He works with people conducting research into the effects of vaping, and whilst not yet conclusive, they’re early unofficial thoughts are it’s just as bad for you as smoking.

[Donsyb]

On 2/1/2023 at 7:26 PM, Kitalion said:

It really is what I said In the post.  It’s not being enforced from my experience.  There are many reasons why I think this may be but it was my experience.  It’s happening anyway - I’m the only one transparent enough to say it.  If that makes me a bad person well so be it.  Im glad my best friend who has smoked for 40 years is longer smoking.  She considers herself a non smoker now.  The rule needs to be challenged.  If we lose then we lose - we are adults we will take the consequences.  And like I said I’m quite happy to report honestly on what happens whether that be a written response from royal or any other actions onboard against us.  

She’s not a non smoker if she vapes

[Ret MP]

7 minutes ago, Donsyb said:

She’s not a non smoker if she vapes

I don't dispute that in concept, except that it's vapor not smoke.  However, is that an "official" assessment or an opinion?  No, that's not a wise guy question, I really would like to know, honest question.  For the record, I don't smoke and never did or have vaped.  I personally have never thought of a person that vapes as a smoker.  Or a smoker as a vaper.  

Edited February 2, 2023 by Ret MP

[Donsyb]

2 minutes ago, Ret MP said:

I don't dispute that in concept, except that it's vapor not smoke.  However, is that an "official" assessment or an opinion?  No, that's not a wise guy question, I really would like to know, honest question.  For the record, I don't smoke and never did or have vaped.  I personally have neve thought of a person that vapes as a smoker.  Or a smoker as a vaper.  

Insurance companies class it as smoking.

 

and from a health point of view, they’re starting to see lung problems in vapers (is that the right word??) as they do with smokers. It’s just too early to fully know. There is a lot of concern about the effects of the other chemicals used in them.

[sft429]

10 minutes ago, Ret MP said:

 For the record, I don't smoke and never did or have vaped.  

 

How many of you are there?

[Ret MP]

5 minutes ago, Donsyb said:

Insurance companies class it as smoking.

 

and from a health point of view, they’re starting to see lung problems in vapers (is that the right word??) as they do with smokers. It’s just too early to fully know. There is a lot of concern about the effects of the other chemicals used in them.

It's funny, I just scanned an article, a few days ago and the article said that "most" insurance companies classify vapers as smokers, many also classify chewing tobacco as smoking.  That's not a medical classification, it's a financial one.  But, my question really was more of a real medical one. Has any of the Heart and/or Lung organizations, FDA, or whatever classify vaping the same as smoking?  I know that may not be able to answer that question.   It's just a question in the far reaches of my mind.  No big deal. 

[Guest phd1003]

3 minutes ago, sft429 said:

 

How many of you are there?

I was thinking the same thing...All day - all night

[Ret MP]

3 minutes ago, sft429 said:

 

How many of you are there?

Why?

[sft429]

You've got at least two posts in this thread talking about quitting smoking...

[Ret MP]

1 minute ago, phd1003 said:

I was thinking the same thing...All day - all night

Wrong!

[Ret MP]

Just now, sft429 said:

You've got at least two posts in this thread talking about quitting smoking...

Yes, I don't smoke.  I NEVER said that I haven't smoked.  I did say that I have never vaped!

[sft429]

 For the record, I don't smoke and never did or have vaped.