LIVE… Carnival Celebration 9/3/23-9/9/23

[Sunandslots]

On 9/8/2023 at 11:38 PM, BlerkOne said:

There were some roving punks on the Venezia Transatlantic who were turned into security more than once. I wrote all over my review that Carnival needed to get a handle on this yesterday, but apparently not. We'll see what happens on my next Carnival cruise.

I just got off Venezia last week.  Evidently there were 3 fights during the week. I didn’t see them personally because I’m usually in my cabin by 10. What I did see at grand Turk at the pool was about 20 teenagers in the center of the pool screaming, pushing each other, and throwing each other around. Not a nice fun vibe at all.

I too am seriously going to look at other lines and I’m 2 days short of diamond but don’t think it’s worth it anymore. 

[BlerkOne]

20 minutes ago, Sunandslots said:

I just got off Venezia last week.  Evidently there were 3 fights during the week. I didn’t see them personally because I’m usually in my cabin by 10. What I did see at grand Turk at the pool was about 20 teenagers in the center of the pool screaming, pushing each other, and throwing each other around. Not a nice fun vibe at all.

I too am seriously going to look at other lines and I’m 2 days short of diamond but don’t think it’s worth it anymore. 

I'm currently on Carnival Miracle and while there are more scooters than kids, I have definitely noticed more visible security.

[silvercrikhix]

TY Megan for your Celebration review.  Wow.   I was disheartened by your roughing up by a group of teens. I understand all the reasons it made you cry. Such a sad state of affairs. The real question is:

 

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BEHAVIOR POLICY CARNIVAL FORMALLY ROLLED OUT RECENTLY? 

Alas, just like all their other policies…..unenforced.  It seems Carnival will even let teens bully other passengers now.  We know some of the crew knew of this incident, and yet nothing?!  Megan shouldn’t have to do anything. Security should be there to enforce this type of inexcusable behavior. 

[mamiamjo]

15 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

I'm currently on Carnival Miracle and while there are more scooters than kids, I have definitely noticed more visible security.

You definitely need to watch out for those scooters 😉

[pc_load_letter]

Can I get a page for the incident with the teens?

[ZoeyVictoria]

1 hour ago, pc_load_letter said:

Can I get a page for the incident with the teens?

46.  I remember because I am still debating whether to share this with my SO before our Celebration cruise on October 1. 

[pc_load_letter]

2 minutes ago, ZoeyVictoria said:

46.  I remember because I am still debating whether to share this with my SO before our Celebration cruise on October 1. 

 

Thanks!

[Kanyon71]

On 9/8/2023 at 7:17 PM, MeganGC1983 said:

Yes 3 pushed, shoved, moved me. 

You are FAR nicer than I am. I would not have been able to hold myself back and I would have dealt with it in a far different manner.

[icft]

37 minutes ago, Kanyon71 said:

You are FAR nicer than I am. I would not have been able to hold myself back and I would have dealt with it in a far different manner.

Unfortunately these days that could get one in a lot of trouble. When minors are involved you are greatly limited and touching a hair on their head can lead to charges of child abuse. Someone stumbling upon the scene will only see an adult doing something to a child and may well jump in to defend the child when they would not jump in to defend an adult.  And when a group is involved you can count on them spewing lies; one person's word against 10.

 

Just leaving is the safest and most cost effective move unless circumstances/self preservation make that impossible. Is it justice? No. But we don't have justice; we have a system of justice. Those are completely different things and knowing which way the system leans can save one a lot of grief.

[ninjacat123]

1 hour ago, icft said:

Unfortunately these days that could get one in a lot of trouble. When minors are involved you are greatly limited and touching a hair on their head can lead to charges of child abuse. Someone stumbling upon the scene will only see an adult doing something to a child and may well jump in to defend the child when they would not jump in to defend an adult.  And when a group is involved you can count on them spewing lies; one person's word against 10.

 

Just leaving is the safest and most cost effective move unless circumstances/self preservation make that impossible. Is it justice? No. But we don't have justice; we have a system of justice. Those are completely different things and knowing which way the system leans can save one a lot of grief.

That's what my attorney DH said when I said I would film the perpetrators.  He said get yourself out of there at all cost.  

[Kanyon71]

19 hours ago, icft said:

Unfortunately these days that could get one in a lot of trouble. When minors are involved you are greatly limited and touching a hair on their head can lead to charges of child abuse. Someone stumbling upon the scene will only see an adult doing something to a child and may well jump in to defend the child when they would not jump in to defend an adult.  And when a group is involved you can count on them spewing lies; one person's word against 10.

 

Just leaving is the safest and most cost effective move unless circumstances/self preservation make that impossible. Is it justice? No. But we don't have justice; we have a system of justice. Those are completely different things and knowing which way the system leans can save one a lot of grief.

You don't have to lay a finger on someone to put the ever loving fear of god into them. Also there are cameras all over the ship and if they lay a finger on you it then becomes self defense. 

 

As you said if you can walk away sometimes is the best bet but there are times when people just push too far. Now these types of people have made it so someone who loves cruising is over it and doesn't want to go on a cruise line again but these kids think they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one will do anything about it.

 

Sad sad world we are in right now.

[dallasdan]

Unfortunately there was a paradigm shift in society about 25 years ago when parents started defending their kids over teachers and other authority figures no matter what.   Now for the most part kids are out of control because how dare you or I speak to someone's child.   On our cruise in July on the Breeze we saw a lot of teenagers running wild up and down the stairs and in the halls late at night.  

Edited September 14, 2023 by dallasdan

[icft]

1 hour ago, Kanyon71 said:

You don't have to lay a finger on someone to put the ever loving fear of god into them. Also there are cameras all over the ship and if they lay a finger on you it then becomes self defense. 

 

As you said if you can walk away sometimes is the best bet but there are times when people just push too far. Now these types of people have made it so someone who loves cruising is over it and doesn't want to go on a cruise line again but these kids think they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one will do anything about it.

 

Sad sad world we are in right now.

There are several problems.

 

Will there be cameras? I guess it depends on the ship and their maintenance of cameras. When my wife was assaulted on Glory security said the only video was in the casino.

 

Then there is the question of what legal doctrine the ship is following. When in international waters U.S. law doesn't automatically apply and even if it did what state's law would apply?

 

In Georgia use of "fighting words" is justification for assault. If the group all say you called them some terribly offensive word or words then under Georgia law they may be considered justified in assaulting you even if it were all on video.

 

Some states still have a "duty to retreat." If you are able to leave and thereby end the assault you are required to do so. If, instead, you fight back you may be found guilty of assault.

 

English common law imposes a duty to retreat whenever it is safe.

 

The age of the aggressor can also come into play and different places have different laws in that regard. Europeans must retreat from children with guns for example.

 

Then, if you use language to put the fear of God into them, in some states you run the risk of civil liability for "verbal assault."

 

So I still say "just walk away."

 

 

[Kanyon71]

47 minutes ago, icft said:

There are several problems.

 

Will there be cameras? I guess it depends on the ship and their maintenance of cameras. When my wife was assaulted on Glory security said the only video was in the casino.

 

Then there is the question of what legal doctrine the ship is following. When in international waters U.S. law doesn't automatically apply and even if it did what state's law would apply?

 

In Georgia use of "fighting words" is justification for assault. If the group all say you called them some terribly offensive word or words then under Georgia law they may be considered justified in assaulting you even if it were all on video.

 

Some states still have a "duty to retreat." If you are able to leave and thereby end the assault you are required to do so. If, instead, you fight back you may be found guilty of assault.

 

English common law imposes a duty to retreat whenever it is safe.

 

The age of the aggressor can also come into play and different places have different laws in that regard. Europeans must retreat from children with guns for example.

 

Then, if you use language to put the fear of God into them, in some states you run the risk of civil liability for "verbal assault."

 

So I still say "just walk away."

 

 

If that's what everyone wants to do then so be it 🙂

[lazydayz]

It is ending up with people walking away from Carnival.  Cruising used to provide a nice retreat from the real world.  Now, it seems the real world has taken over Carnival cruise ships.  Certainly understandable why cruisers are moving on.  

[silvercrikhix]

5 hours ago, icft said:

There are several problems.

 

Will there be cameras? I guess it depends on the ship and their maintenance of cameras. When my wife was assaulted on Glory security said the only video was in the casino.

 

Then there is the question of what legal doctrine the ship is following. When in international waters U.S. law doesn't automatically apply and even if it did what state's law would apply?

 

In Georgia use of "fighting words" is justification for assault. If the group all say you called them some terribly offensive word or words then under Georgia law they may be considered justified in assaulting you even if it were all on video.

 

Some states still have a "duty to retreat." If you are able to leave and thereby end the assault you are required to do so. If, instead, you fight back you may be found guilty of assault.

 

English common law imposes a duty to retreat whenever it is safe.

 

The age of the aggressor can also come into play and different places have different laws in that regard. Europeans must retreat from children with guns for example.

 

Then, if you use language to put the fear of God into them, in some states you run the risk of civil liability for "verbal assault."

 

So I still say "just walk away."

 

 

…so are you saying that you believe we should all slink away and be like sheep. That is exactly what we wouldn’t do unless obviously it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted there are situations when take-off is the best. If we continue to let people get away with this behavior we are only going to get more of it. When there are no consequences for bad behavior, there is no reason to change their horrible behavior.  It’s hard to make split second decisions when you’re 1st off pretty shocked and stunned too. 

[Kanyon71]

5 hours ago, lazydayz said:

It is ending up with people walking away from Carnival.  Cruising used to provide a nice retreat from the real world.  Now, it seems the real world has taken over Carnival cruise ships.  Certainly understandable why cruisers are moving on.  

Sadly it’s happening on all lines. 

[icft]

1 hour ago, silvercrikhix said:

…so are you saying that you believe we should all slink away and be like sheep. That is exactly what we wouldn’t do unless obviously it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted there are situations when take-off is the best. If we continue to let people get away with this behavior we are only going to get more of it. When there are no consequences for bad behavior, there is no reason to change their horrible behavior.  It’s hard to make split second decisions when you’re 1st off pretty shocked and stunned too. 

I suspect close to 100% of those involved in cruise ship fights feel the same way...

[lesters]

Im really hoping @MeganGC1983 does come back for the final wrap up.   
 

im on the Celebration next month and until the incident was very excited for the sailing and her review helped! 
 

well  I still am excited. I just feel sad bad that this happened to her.   And the likely numerous others who aren’t here on CC.  
 

After this October sailing we are trying Virgin.  Looking forward to the fully adult experience.  

[Roscoe13]

2 hours ago, lesters said:

Im really hoping @MeganGC1983 does come back for the final wrap up.   
 

im on the Celebration next month and until the incident was very excited for the sailing and her review helped! 
 

well  I still am excited. I just feel sad bad that this happened to her.   And the likely numerous others who aren’t here on CC.  
 

After this October sailing we are trying Virgin.  Looking forward to the fully adult experience.  

I have it on good authority that she'll be back relatively soon to put a bow on this review.

 

She got called away to do a sample cruise out of Fort Wayne, Indiana...

So far she's not impressed...only one ititnerary and the ports suck!!

[icft]

13 minutes ago, Roscoe13 said:

I have it on good authority that she'll be back relatively soon to put a bow on this review.

 

She got called away to do a sample cruise out of Fort Wayne, Indiana...

So far she's not impressed...only one ititnerary and the ports suck!!

Cruise? Fort Wayne? 😁😆🤣

[Hogladyrider]

@Roscoe13...you handled that response much better than I would have....2 thumbs up!  We do miss our @MeganGC1983.

[Stallion]

Those crazy kids of today-why can't they be more like our generation:

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Stallion

[MeganGC1983]

Sorry y’all! I have now returned. Life got in the way. 
recap: the ship and the crew were amazing. The food was pretty good, I’d give it a B with Shaq’s and Teppanyaki being my highlight. There are so many choices, it was easy to miss out on things. I think overall, there’s obviously a people problem, not just on ships, but in regular day to day life. Kids shouldn’t be allowed to run amok on a ship. If I had touched any of those teens it would have been a way different story. Did it ruin my cruise? No but it did put a slight damper on it. Perhaps I’m just a smaller ship girl or maybe I’ve turned into an adults only cruiser. 
Either way, my next scheduled cruise is the Tribe cruise back on the Celebration in January. This time, I’ll hide with Jamman and Roscoe or in the Havana area. 😉 Thanks to everyone that followed along! 

[MeganGC1983]

On 9/10/2023 at 3:59 PM, fyree39 said:

It’s not exactly “the world” that’s coming to this point. It’s why we’re both switching lines and booking cruises out of Europe when we can. Fewer US-based cruises for us. We have O booked for next year and I already cancelled the one Carnival cruise I had that wouldn’t incur a penalty. And we just turned diamond. 

I think I agree. Although in Europe, I cruised “adults only”.