Felons on a cruise

I do believe that a Canadian with a "record" also has problems entering the United States. I think every country protects its borders.

Joke of the year:evilsmile:

joke of the year:evilsmile:

;);)lol

If they let you on the ship who is going to check your record. The only country that i have had to go thru a visa process going into the country is Cuba. Every other country you walk off the boea and get back on with your drivers license and room key. So if you get on the boat you will not be checked in ports unless you jump up and down and yell you are a felon

24 hours before you cruise, all names on that cruise are sent to the government! Exactly what checks are made are not totally revealed, but imagine ts a quickie FBI/Homeland Security check!

24 hours before you cruise, all names on that cruise are sent to the government! Exactly what checks are made are not totally revealed, but imagine ts a quickie FBI/Homeland Security check!

This is not correct. The only time the government (CBP) gets the passenger information is when the final passenger manifest is submitted, 60 minutes prior to departure. The 24 hour thing is an internal cruise line screening of passenger data, that they use to deny boarding to RSO's or others whom they deem to be undesirable. I know Carnival does screen for RSO's, and I believe other lines do as well.

Love watching the "perp walk" on the Galveston Webcam. Since FBI/DHS don't get the manifest until 1 hour before departure, they don't have time to catch them before they depart. But, they will be waiting for them when they return [emoji6]

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This is not correct. The only time the government (CBP) gets the passenger information is when the final passenger manifest is submitted, 60 minutes prior to departure. The 24 hour thing is an internal cruise line screening of passenger data, that they use to deny boarding to RSO's or others whom they deem to be undesirable. I know Carnival does screen for RSO's, and I believe other lines do as well.

Not what Carnival, and RCL told us, they gave the government the manifest list 24 hours ahead to screen, that's why they're closed 24 hours ahead!

Not what Carnival, and RCL told us, they gave the government the manifest list 24 hours ahead to screen, that's why they're closed 24 hours ahead!

You can book on Carnival, by phone, the evening before the cruise. RCI has given bookings, again only on the phone, the morning of the cruise.

CBP does not screen anything other than the final manifest, that actually shows the people who are on the ship, not those who booked and missed. And the reason they allow use of driver's license and birth certificate on closed loop cruises is because they have days to screen the passengers, which it may take using these forms of identification, before the person re-enters the US (which is all they are really caring about), as opposed to airlines where there are only hours to clear all the passengers.

Can this person get a passport?

Can this person get a passport?

Not sure what that has to do with it, since he could travel on driver's license and birth certificate on a closed loop cruise. But, anyway, it is a myth that felons cannot have a passport. The only felonies that preclude the State Department from issuing a passport to a convicted felon (not incarcerated, and not under probation) are international in nature, like international drug smuggling. Being behind $5000 or more in child support can also result in non-issuance of a passport.

You can book on Carnival, by phone, the evening before the cruise. RCI has given bookings, again only on the phone, the morning of the cruise.

 

CBP does not screen anything other than the final manifest, that actually shows the people who are on the ship, not those who booked and missed. And the reason they allow use of driver's license and birth certificate on closed loop cruises is because they have days to screen the passengers, which it may take using these forms of identification, before the person re-enters the US (which is all they are really caring about), as opposed to airlines where there are only hours to clear all the passengers.

We tried to book an RCL cruise a few years back the day before the cruise left, were told the booking was closed because the manifest was already sent out to the Feds! Just telling you our experiences, 2 cruise lines telling us the same thing!

We tried to book an RCL cruise a few years back the day before the cruise left, were told the booking was closed because the manifest was already sent out to the Feds! Just telling you our experiences, 2 cruise lines telling us the same thing!

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The reason closed loop cruises allow you to travel without a passport is the ship and it’s passengers are covered by a blanket type permit/visa which allows passengers WITHOUT ACTIVE WARRENTS or other prohibitions to visit the foreign country’s without inspection. The agreements cover ships staying in port for less than 24 hours and who transport guests to/from a US port. It requires that guests be admissible to the USA. A past felon with no active warrents will not have issues for any Caribbean cruise. Passengers then pass US immigration for inspection upon return. Those with warrents will be flagged and not permitted re-entry.

The reason closed loop cruises allow you to travel without a passport is the ship and it’s passengers are covered by a blanket type permit/visa which allows passengers WITHOUT ACTIVE WARRENTS or other prohibitions to visit the foreign country’s without inspection. The agreements cover ships staying in port for less than 24 hours and who transport guests to/from a US port. It requires that guests be admissible to the USA. A past felon with no active warrents will not have issues for any Caribbean cruise. Passengers then pass US immigration for inspection upon return. Those with warrents will be flagged and not permitted re-entry.

No, the closed loop exception is only for return to the US, it has nothing to do with the port being visited. Countries are still free to require passports if they wish to and the CBP website makes it clear:

"U.S. citizens on closed-loop cruises (cruises that begin and end at the same U.S. port) are able to enter the United States with a birth certificate and government-issued photo ID. Please be aware that you may still be required to present a passport to enter the countries your cruise ship is visiting. Check with your cruise line to ensure you have the appropriate documents."

Also, having an active warrant would not prevent a US citizen from being admitted into the US as there are no provisions that I am aware of to prevent a US citizen from being allowed to return to the US. Those with an active warrant may well be subject to arrest upon their return, but they are indeed allowed to return.

For the blanket visa, this is information we obtained from the consulates of Bahamas, Barbados, Cayman Islamds, Aruba and Jamaica. We regularly travel with foreign exchange students from country’s which visas are normally required for,them to visit the islands. In each cruise, Carnival said they can travel as long as they are permitted to re-enter the USA but advised us to contact the consulates directly as they did not want to take the liability to say it was ok for them to travel. Carnival only told us we needed to have the passport of the student with the valid US re-entry visa in order to board. So we took extra step,of actually contacting the consulates to be sure. In each case they (the consulate/embassy) outlined that the cruise line obtains a blanket visa (or permit) for visits of less then 24 hours stopover and this covers the passengers. Of course they recommended to carry passport (interesting that Barbados said everyone including USA citizens are required to carry passport at all times) but otherwise, the cruise line is taking the liability for passengers to visit the country without additional visa requirements. The question they asked is if the cruise begins/ends in USA. Being that the islands visited by cruise ships generally have such agreements, I would not worry about any criminal past offenses as long as there are no active or open warrents. Now should you get into trouble on the island and miss the Ship, at that point I cannot say how they would handle that as you would be under their direct jurisdiction.

You can book on Carnival, by phone, the evening before the cruise. RCI has given bookings, again only on the phone, the morning of the cruise.

 

CBP does not screen anything other than the final manifest, that actually shows the people who are on the ship, not those who booked and missed. And the reason they allow use of driver's license and birth certificate on closed loop cruises is because they have days to screen the passengers, which it may take using these forms of identification, before the person re-enters the US (which is all they are really caring about), as opposed to airlines where there are only hours to clear all the passengers.

You may already know this but Carnival will book well within the 24 hour to sailing period. Those guests are screened more thoroughly upon check in.

Love watching the "perp walk" on the Galveston Webcam. Since FBI/DHS don't get the manifest until 1 hour before departure, they don't have time to catch them before they depart. But, they will be waiting for them when they return.

Regardless of ship, every single cruise someone(s) get escorted off in handcuffs. You can see the officers board the ship less than 10 minutes after the lines are secured and then a few minutes later it's parade time.

About an hour after that the Galveston County Police Blotter website shows their arrest, and the county they had warrants in. When I drive to UTMB early in the morning when the Valor is in you can see the police vehicles from all over the state headed down to get their man/woman.

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Regardless of ship, every single cruise someone(s) get escorted off in handcuffs. You can see the officers board the ship less than 10 minutes after the lines are secured and then a few minutes later it's parade time.

 

About an hour after that the Galveston County Police Blotter website shows their arrest, and the county they had warrants in. When I drive to UTMB early in the morning when the Valor is in you can see the police vehicles from all over the state headed down to get their man/woman.

 

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Some of those are Blue Cards who snuck into the D/P debark group.

so what you are saying is IF you have a felony and are ON probation but have NO active warrants or anything outstanding, you should be OK to board and disembark without fear of being arrested?

so what you are saying is IF you have a felony and are ON probation but have NO active warrants or anything outstanding, you should be OK to board and disembark without fear of being arrested?

Would that not depend on terms of the probation?

so what you are saying is IF you have a felony and are ON probation but have NO active warrants or anything outstanding, you should be OK to board and disembark without fear of being arrested?

Hmmmm. What specifically are the terms of probation?