Big Time Unhappy Passengers

[Waterlily777]

Ridolphi, Thank you so much for answering my question in a non confrontational manner. I appreciate it. Happy cruising to you!:)

 

Hi Dimiegirl:

 

Re: Ridolphi's post:

 

Originally Posted by ridolphi

 

Glad to hear Celebrity is enforcing the dress code. Agree that dressing for dinner is part of the fun. Too bad the passenger made such a scene and caused an issue for everyone else.

 

Dimiegirl - your husband will be fine with dress slacks, shirt and tie, jacket is not required.

 

Brad1185 - lucky for you that Celebrity offers alternative dining options, and.....NCL and Carnival have no dress code whatsoever, so you might want to consider those lines.

 

The truth is that a jacket IS on the required dress code for formal nights. Your husband may or may not be asked to wear a jacket, and he may be provided with one by the maitre d'.

 

If your husband does not like to wear a jacket of unknown origin, as my husband does not, perhaps he could wear a jacket on the flight, as was previously suggested. My husband has a dark summerweight suit. The pants take up no more room in our luggage than any other kind of slacks that would be appropriate for the dining room, and he just wears his jacket on the plane, whenever we are making an extra effort to travel light. He has even sent his suit home by mail at the end of a European cruise, when he would not be needing his suit on the ensuing bike trip in southern France.

[dkjretired]

I have just booked a Celebrity cruise in Sept. so will be returning to the board. Thank you to those who sent me messages and I am feeling better after a minor heath crisis and scare.

 

It has been my opinion expressed on this board for years that Celebrity needs to either enforce their rules or get rid of them. I don't think that not allowing someone into the dining room in shorts is indicative of any change in policy as they have always done that except perhaps on the first night. What is more important are the many reports of cruisers coming back saying that they are not allowing men into the dining room unless they present them with a jacket.

 

Finally to Sloop John. You have been providing excellent information but occasionally you are giving out false info. On at least two threads this week you said that Dinner jackets had to be "White". There is nothing in the dress code which stipulates that and there never has been. Dinner jackets are available in at least White, Black, Blue and Burgundy. Also, in a post the other day you stated that men had to wear "Dark" jackets. That is also incorrect, a little history lesson which you may not be aware of. Up until about three or four years ago, Celebrity had three night time dress codes. They eliminated that and went back to the current two. At that time they had a dark suit in the dress code however when they changed the word "dark" was removed. Many cruisers report they wear a dark suit perhaps because they still think its in the dress code but it is not.

 

I just want to point out that I am not expressing an opinion on what the dress codes should be or what I wear on a cruise.

[Karynanne]

Don, it's good to see you back on CC again. You were missed.

 

Karyn

[JaneStarr]

Always followed the code but would still like the Tux shorts, just don't know where to wear them:)

 

I've seen them in Bermuda. Tuxedo with Bermuda shorts and knee-highs worn by waiters serving afternoon tea at the Coral Beach Club back around 1970n

[ducklite]

im just curious, is it only people wearing shorts/tee shirts being denied entrance or any man without a jacket? We will be on solstice soon and only are able to bring carry on luggage so we pack light. Is a shirt and tie with dress pants and shoes dooable? I know there will be some backlash for asking this as I see this is a heated topic but I really can't imagine offending someone by wearing a shirt and tie....

 

My husband will wear his sports jacket on the plane on the way to the cruise. That way he'll have a jacket. He might not need it on the ship, but he will for our planned dinners in Rome and Greece.

[chuly]

Very glad to see at least on Solstice dress code in MDR is being enforced. On our 4 day Caribbean cruise on the Millenium last week, we were very surprised to see ladies allowed in short, shorts and men in shorts and flip flops even on formal night. Dress code was not enforced at all in MDR.

[Sloop-JohnB]

TO DJKRETIRED,

 

Glad to hear you are feeling better, and will be cruising again soon.

 

Welcome back to the CC CELEBRITY BOARD !!

 

Cheers!

[ducklite]

I'm sick of the dress code and I know many others feel the same way.

 

The last thing I want to do on vacation is dress up. I'm sick of packing all this extra weight.

 

This dress code has to go.

 

I want to dine in the mdr and not at the buffet.

 

I will continue to push and push until we can wear what we want to dinner. Hopefully everyone else will join in. I know the men here side with me. Just man up to your spouse and let them know how you really feel.

 

Maybe you'd be better off choosing a vacation that was more suited to your desires rather than trying to pound a square peg into a round hole and demanding change because you feel entitled to it.

[nursebob]

I feel they should go back to the 3 classes, first, second and third. I wouldn't what to see someone in MDR in short and tee shirt but in third class they may allow that kind of dress.

[stipmom]

We have decided to eat in the specialty restaurants on our three formal nights rather than deal with the jacket issue. But I think that just like they made Blu smart casual all the time they should consider making the anytime dining that way too. This way if we want to dress formally we can pick fixed dining when we book but if we do not we can do anytime dining and not have to pay the additional fee. Nothing will stop those who want to dress formally from dressing up in anytime dining but it gives those who do not want to the opportunity to still partake of the main dining rooms formal night menus which usually have the more expensive choices on those nights. The

 

 

 

I do think that no one should expect to dress in the main dining room the way the original poster said the man was dressed and expect to be seated so I applaud the maitre'd for telling him no.

[dimiegirl]

stipmom, I like your idea. That would be a great solution for everybody. As do you, I totally agree that coming to the mdr the way the OP mentioned is totally unacceptable. However, I don't feel that people should be angry or disgusted with others who choose to dress less formally but still neat and respectable. For example, dress slacks and a shirt and tie. I don't understand why so many people are getting so aggravated over this. How is it ruining someone else's dining experience if someone is nicely dressed but not wearing a jacket? I think your idea would be a great solution to this obviously heated issue.

 

nursebob- that was kind of uncalled for... are you going to suggest next that, as in the movie titanic, certain decks will be for those of a specific "class"

it seems like some are forgetting what cruising is all about...enjoying life, relaxing, and having fun

[momofmeg]

Brad 1185 is entitled to be a Celebrity cruiser that disagrees with a policy and has every right to voice that opinion in this forum without being personally attacked. It is against the CC policy. So all of you posting about following Celebrity's rules in the MDR might want to follow your own advice and follow the Cruise Critic rules here as well.

 

I think he started it when he said men only dressed up because their wives bullied them-he insinuated "real men" do not dress up. I have not read any post that has been out of line in their replies- merely expressing their opinions, (most were men whose opinions differed from his, and did not want him speaking for them) but if you like you can push the report button in the upper right corner-the mods will come and decide what posts or if any posts needs to go.

[lilianani]

This is my favorite post on a dress code thread. Ever.

 

I absolutely agree - Alan's post was incredible and so gracious.

 

DH, who does not normally go for formal dressing makes that effort on formal night - he stops short of a tux, opting for a dark suit but still looks incredible.

 

Even though we will be in Blu next year and flying long haul he has still said that we will take three suitcases and he will be packing his suit. Despite the fact he does not normally like to dress formally, like Alan, DH also feels that formal nights bring that 'special something' to the cruise.

[dkjretired]

I feel they should go back to the 3 classes, first, second and third. I wouldn't what to see someone in MDR in short and tee shirt but in third class they may allow that kind of dress.

 

The three types of dress codes that I mentioned earlier had nothing to do with classes of cabin...

 

Also, thanks Karyanne

[dfishner]

We have decided to eat in the specialty restaurants on our three formal nights rather than deal with the jacket issue. But I think that just like they made Blu smart casual all the time they should consider making the anytime dining that way too. This way if we want to dress formally we can pick fixed dining when we book but if we do not we can do anytime dining and not have to pay the additional fee. Nothing will stop those who want to dress formally from dressing up in anytime dining but it gives those who do not want to the opportunity to still partake of the main dining rooms formal night menus which usually have the more expensive choices on those nights. The

 

 

 

I do think that no one should expect to dress in the main dining room the way the original poster said the man was dressed and expect to be seated so I applaud the maitre'd for telling him no.

 

Agree with what you wrote feel the same way we stopped taking formal wear with us when we cruise and like yourself dine somewhere else on formal night..I do think wearing shorts for dinner is not cool and glad the maitre 'd handle the situation the way he did.

[Sloop-JohnB]

We have decided to eat in the specialty restaurants on our three formal nights rather than deal with the jacket issue. But I think that just like they made Blu smart casual all the time they should consider making the anytime dining that way too. This way if we want to dress formally we can pick fixed dining when we book but if we do not we can do anytime dining and not have to pay the additional fee. Nothing will stop those who want to dress formally from dressing up in anytime dining but it gives those who do not want to the opportunity to still partake of the main dining rooms formal night menus which usually have the more expensive choices on those nights. The

 

I do think that no one should expect to dress in the main dining room the way the original poster said the man was dressed and expect to be seated so I applaud the maitre'd for telling him no.

 

TO STIPMOM,

 

Agree it sounds great in principle... at least from the perspective of those who would like to see Smart Casual and Above as the Dress Code all the time in the MDR.

 

BUT it doesn't work for those passengers who have chosen Select Dining (they too sit in the MDR) and WANT to participate in Celebrity's Formal Night atmosphere... they just have chosen to go Select Dining because they like having the flexibility of timing. Why should they now be treated as "second class citizens" who get to sit in the mish-mash section ??

 

Either the whole venue needs to be designated as Formal or not... which is what Celebrity's policy is now.

 

You don't want to dress up for Formal Night, then there are tons of other choices.

 

It is good that there are choices... because giving into a minority group in the MDR at the expense of something that the majority seems to enjoy, is not a solution IMHO.

 

Cheers!

[Sloop-JohnB]

nursebob- that was kind of uncalled for... are you going to suggest next that, as in the movie titanic, certain decks will be for those of a specific "class"

 

it seems like some are forgetting what cruising is all about...enjoying life, relaxing, and having fun

 

Sorry, but I have to say this...

 

You are aware that this statement is still true today, right?

 

Take a look at a Deck Plan...

 

The higher the deck, the higher the class of cabin (not necessarily "people") ...

 

BUT the more you pay, the higher you tend to go.

 

Cheers!

[dimiegirl]

Sorry, but I have to say this...

 

You are aware that this statement is still true today, right?

 

Take a look at a Deck Plan...

 

The higher the deck, the higher the class of cabin (not necessarily "people") ...

 

BUT the more you pay, the higher you tend to go.

 

Cheers!

 

I understand that. The more you pay the better cabin, view, service, ammenities you get, understood, and rightly so. However, the statement was that we "should go back to 3 classes".. the sentiment of that statement is quite different... in my opinion, referring to the three classes, upper, middle, and lower class...

[Suzy Smith]

Up until about three or four years ago, Celebrity had three night time dress codes.

 

The extraordinary thing is that when we had three dress codes, most people seemed to have no trouble understanding what was expected of them. I wonder why they changed it? Perhaps Celebrity should just revert to the previous system.

[dkjretired]

The extraordinary thing is that when we had three dress codes, most people seemed to have no trouble understanding what was expected of them. I wonder why they changed it? Perhaps Celebrity should just revert to the previous system.

 

I think it has more to do with a society where we have become much more casual over the past few years. I fully expect that the next change will be to smart casual every night.I've been on this board a long time and the discussions were still there but not as difficult. You have to remember that back then Celebrity enforced the dress code completely and throughout the entire ship for the entire evening...Back then, if you didn't wear the proper dress according to the evenings code you didn't get into the MDR, Theater, bars, clubs or casino and it was strictly enforced. There also were no alternatives, you either ate in the MDR or your room, no specialties or buffet...

 

I may have been a little verbose but the point is back then you either followed the dress code or ate in your stateroom, there wasn't much to argue about...

[DrKoob]

Very glad to see at least on Solstice dress code in MDR is being enforced. On our 4 day Caribbean cruise on the Millenium last week, we were very surprised to see ladies allowed in short, shorts and men in shorts and flip flops even on formal night. Dress code was not enforced at all in MDR.

 

Chuly,

 

I think your experience was more about the shortness of the cruise and the Caribbean than the ship itself. We saw a man in shorts turned away on formal night on Century in January Down Under. The asst. mtrd who did it was roundly thanked and congratulated.

 

Love this thread and I think the post by Kruzeagain may be the best post I have ever read on ANY thread.

 

Jim

[Happy Cruiser 6143]

I have just booked a Celebrity cruise in Sept. so will be returning to the board. Thank you to those who sent me messages and I am feeling better after a minor heath crisis and scare.

 

It has been my opinion expressed on this board for years that Celebrity needs to either enforce their rules or get rid of them. I don't think that not allowing someone into the dining room in shorts is indicative of any change in policy as they have always done that except perhaps on the first night. What is more important are the many reports of cruisers coming back saying that they are not allowing men into the dining room unless they present them with a jacket.

 

Finally to Sloop John. You have been providing excellent information but occasionally you are giving out false info. On at least two threads this week you said that Dinner jackets had to be "White". There is nothing in the dress code which stipulates that and there never has been. Dinner jackets are available in at least White, Black, Blue and Burgundy. Also, in a post the other day you stated that men had to wear "Dark" jackets. That is also incorrect, a little history lesson which you may not be aware of. Up until about three or four years ago, Celebrity had three night time dress codes. They eliminated that and went back to the current two. At that time they had a dark suit in the dress code however when they changed the word "dark" was removed. Many cruisers report they wear a dark suit perhaps because they still think its in the dress code but it is not.

 

I just want to point out that I am not expressing an opinion on what the dress codes should be or what I wear on a cruise.

 

Welcome back! I trust your minor health crisis has been resolved.

[TexCruise371]

Stay in your basement with a bag of beef jerky and a bucket of beer -

 

Hey.....I like jerky and buckets of beer!!:eek::D

 

I am very happy that Celebrity is sticking to its guns on this issue. I'm tired of other cruise lines caving in and not enforcing their policies. That is one reason we are starting to cruise Celebrity more in the future.

[dkjretired]

Sorry, but I have to say this...

 

You are aware that this statement is still true today, right?

 

Take a look at a Deck Plan...

 

The higher the deck, the higher the class of cabin (not necessarily "people") ...

 

BUT the more you pay, the higher you tend to go.

 

Cheers!

 

I don't buy that for two reasons. First, I can get an inside on a higher deck than an outside, veranda, CC and AQ cabins. Second and more important the class system went far beyond cabin location, you ate in seperate dining rooms, never ran into each other and had different activities. Never the twain shall meet was very appropriate...

 

I do agree with your comment about class of people..

 

Finally, cruises had a different purpose when they had classes. It was mostly a form of transportation from one point to another, now it is a vacation..

 

One final point, Titanic with its classes will be coming out again in 3D next month for the 100th. anniversary of the sinking....

[TeaBag]

I understand that. The more you pay the better cabin, view, service, ammenities you get, understood, and rightly so. However, the statement was that we "should go back to 3 classes".. the sentiment of that statement is quite different... in my opinion, referring to the three classes, upper, middle, and lower class...

 

The three classes were formal, informal and casual referring to dress only not what people paid or who they were.