Single Smoking Thread on the HAL Board

[kjw869]

Great idea. Then we can get to the important topic--bathrobes in public places. :D

 

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[Sam.Seattle]

I think a poll on the Princess forum would be important to understand if the majority truly likes the idea of having only one place to post smoking questions and comments. It kind of seems like a sticky would suppress people from being candid and open.

 

I learned about the smoking policy change because of all the threads here and I don't think I would've learned about the change in the industry if people were not allowed to create smoking threads.

 

I hope the silent majority that are reading these threats will take time to post their comments too.

[bshow]

I don't see the big deal with "all the smoking threads." The vast majority of threads cover ground already covered. Don't understand why this topic is any different. So I vote "no" on deleting threads.

[Kudos2Fly]

Seems like a fine ideal. As long as it doesn't start to get out of hand. Like attacking people on a personal level. Here is the smoking policy per the website on Holland:

Is Smoking Allowed On Board?

 

For the comfort of all of our guests, all staterooms (cabins), showrooms and most other indoor areas are designated non-smoking. While smoking is not permitted in staterooms, guests are allowed to smoke on stateroom verandahs. Smoking is also permitted on certain other designated, outside decks. The designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows unless otherwise noted.

Stateroom verandahs

Casino (Active players only)

Seaview Bar

Outside Decks

Sports Deck

Observation Deck (ms Prinsendam, ms Eurodam, ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Noordam, ms Oosterdam, ms Westerdam, and ms Zuiderdam only)

Cigar and pipe smoking is not allowed anywhere inside the ship; it is only permitted on the outside decks where smoking is otherwise allowed and on stateroom verandahs. Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas.

Any guest who smokes inside staterooms in violation of our policy will be charged a US$250 cleaning fee per day of violation.

 

We switch from Carnival to Holland for a few different reasons. Two itinerary and because we couldn't smoke a few cigars at night on our balcony. We are not completely going away from Carnival. But for this trip we want to be able to relax and smoke a cigar on the balcony in private. We will adjust, hubby is even thinking of cutting back to 2 cigars a week, but to more expensive nice ones.. LOL:D

 

If the thread stays polite and nice, then great. But a lot of these threads attack people on a personal level on both sides.

 

We are not cigarette smokers and don't chain smoke. Plus I know a few people that smoke and grew up with a smoke. And all of them have always been very polite and nice about not smoking around people.

[mudscraper]

and because EVERY time I see another smoking thread I think of what RIGOLETTO said to the Duke's courtesans: "Che del usato piu noiosi voi siete" - translates fairly exactly as "OH, you're (even) more boring than usual!"

 

Ah...you beat me to it.

[pms4104]

Yes, a single thread is a great idea ... Thank you, Host Walt

 

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[jimmy2x]

Yes please - enough is enough!

[SmittenByJuneau]

i support this!

[Fouremco]

[sppunk]

Yes, but please do not make it a sticky. Stickies are ignored by most everyone. A thread that is active and gets bumped is far more visible on this board.

[Fouremco]

Yes, but please do not make it a sticky. Stickies are ignored by most everyone. A thread that is active and gets bumped is far more visible on this board.

With over 1,100 reads in the first day and a half, I'd say that this sticky isn't suffering from any visibility issues! :)

[cbr663]

Yes, the sooner the better. I was getting ready to leave CC altogether because of the constant smoking threads.

[cruiseman_tx]

Host Walt.. Isn't this just another smoking thread disguised by the title?

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2076096

[Lizzie68]

Host Walt.. Isn't this just another smoking thread disguised by the title?

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2076096

 

There are two such threads currently running but as Host Walt said, the implementation of changing to a single thread would happen Tuesday or Wednesday.

[solocanadian]

Great idea, thanks.

[OVgirl]

And maybe as a starter, merge all the recently active smoking threads into the new sticky.

[Host Walt]

With over 1,100 reads in the first day and a half, I'd say that this sticky isn't suffering from any visibility issues! :)

However, at this time, we have only 72 votes in the poll. That suggests that those who are very interested in the issue are likely to be checking back multiple times.

 

And as for ignoring "stickies," that is a confirmed fact. So I've just "unstuck the thread so it shows up as a regular thread in hopes that we get more poll responses.

[RJ2002]

However, at this time, we have only 72 votes in the poll. That suggests that those who are very interested in the issue are likely to be checking back multiple times.

 

And as for ignoring "stickies," that is a confirmed fact. So I've just "unstuck the thread so it shows up as a regular thread in hopes that we get more poll responses.

 

Thanks Walt. I think it is a wise move to "unsticky" the poll.

[serendipity1499]

I voted in the second group & think it's a good idea only if it works.. How would you control it when a title does not refer to smoking..

 

The only reason I object to so many smoking threads is that they all basically say the same thing & push other threads of interest off the first page..

 

Another thread which I think should be a sticky is the HAL facts thread about all the different cabins..

 

Host Walt.. Isn't this just another smoking thread disguised by the title?

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2076096

 

Another reason why I voted for the second group, but think that this thread should also be merged into the sticky smoking thread..

 

And maybe as a starter, merge all the recently active smoking threads into the new sticky.

 

Agree!

[sppunk]

However, at this time, we have only 72 votes in the poll. That suggests that those who are very interested in the issue are likely to be checking back multiple times.

 

And as for ignoring "stickies," that is a confirmed fact. So I've just "unstuck the thread so it shows up as a regular thread in hopes that we get more poll responses.

:high five:

[soccerpapi]

I am definitely for a single smoking thread / sticky.

 

I would also add that if a poster repeats basically the same thing they had posted earlier in the thread, that it should be removed.

 

We all know how certain posters feel about the issue, if they post once in the new sticky that is fine. We will be able to understand thier point of view without it being constantly repeated to us over and over. I think it will keep the sticky more useful and easier to understand Holland America 's smoking policy.

 

As a point of information, I am neutral on the issue

 

soccer

[Fouremco]

However, at this time, we have only 72 votes in the poll. That suggests that those who are very interested in the issue are likely to be checking back multiple times.

 

And as for ignoring "stickies," that is a confirmed fact. So I've just "unstuck the thread so it shows up as a regular thread in hopes that we get more poll responses.

Of course, the poll doesn't include the option of a response along the lines of "I really don't care where you stick the smoking thread(s)", which might account for many of those who read it but didn't vote! :)

 

Quite honestly, I don't mind if it's a sticky or a free-floating thread, just as long as we can get away from multiple concurrent discussions on the subject.

[Sow There]

Although neither of us smoke, we are old enough to remember smoking cars on trains (even subways) and smoking being permitted in movie theaters, elevators, even classrooms.

 

I guess that's why we both have a "live and let live" attitude about smoking.

 

I find most "smoking" threads, regardless of the original smoking topic, always seem to devolve to a few preachy posts about how awful smoking is (and smokers are). While confining all discussions about smoking to a single thread seems like a good idea, I would prefer simoly outlawing all "smoking is bad for you" posts and similar posts that portray a moral deficiency on the part of anyone who smokes.

 

One other point. With marijuana being legalized in the state of Washington, we anticipate that there will be many who will support permitting weed smoking on board on the basis of freedom of choice. Will pot using threads be forced into the one sticky thread on smoking?

 

Just asking.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Sow There
Correcting spelling

[aliaschief]

I voted for one sticky. IMO the only thing that has been accomplished with the multitude of smoking threads is that we have a pretty good idea which CC members smoke and those that don't.

 

If folks are adamant about smoking policies they should notify the cruise line.

[Host Walt]

Here are a few responses.

 

Although neither of us smoke, we are old enough to remember smoking cars on trains (even subways) and smoking being permitted in movie theaters, elevators, even classrooms.

 

I guess that's why we both have a "live and let live" attitude about smoking.

 

I find most "smoking" threads, regardless of the original smoking topic, always seem to devolve to a few preachy posts about how awful smoking is (and smokers are)(1). While confining all discussions about smoking to a single thread seems like a good idea, I would prefer simply outlawing all "smoking is bad for you" posts and similar posts that portray a moral deficiency on the part of anyone who smokes.(2)

 

One other point. With marijuana being legalized in the state of Washington, we anticipate that there will be many who will support permitting weed smoking on board on the basis of freedom of choice. Will pot using threads be forced into the one sticky thread on smoking? (3)

 

Just asking.

 

(1) Such posts do not conform to our Guidelines and are routinely removed because they are off-topic.

 

(2) See (1). Also all posts accusing some as being somehow immoral because they smoke will be removed as they are considered personal attacks.

 

(3) At the moment the answer is no. While the two topics (cigarette smoking and pot smoking) appear related they aren't. Marijuana is still a prohibited under US law so any posts suggesting its use on board will be removed as promoting an illegal activity.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Host Walt