Two dogs in a stroller on Sillouette

[dkjretired]

I think I heard of variation on this theme many years ago. Reading this brought back those memories, and I was a rolling out of my chair at work on the floor in laughter. Thanks for the chuckle.

 

 

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Reminds me of the infamous American doll cruise.

[vulcan1971]

Reminds me of the infamous American doll cruise.

 

 

I can't work with all this chuckling and outbursts of laughter. Please don't make laugh anymore. ;-)

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

This sounds great on paper...but in real life, this doesn't happen.

 

You, a complete stranger, go up to the owner/manager of a restaurant and point out the law to them giving them this information printed out. What owner/manager (in their right mind) is going to suddenly decide to risk a law suit and difficulty with various public groups and the media and challenge the individual with the dogs. It doesn't happen in restaurants and it isn't going to happen on celebrity ships.

 

No...this only happens our dreams...not reality.

If they don't do it that time, you can bet your last dollar that they will do research and the next time, the dog will be escorted out, because I don't know of one business owner that wants an ill-behaved dog peeing or barking or being aggressive in their business. If we stand back and do nothing, these posers win and true service dogs lose. Edited January 8, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[Sapphire723]

NHL Arizona - I really like that list.

 

I agree that service animals of any type should adhere to these standards. There's no excuse for dog poo at the buffet (unless a service dog is seriously ill). And I'd be ok with alerting someone that a service animal is not behaving appropriately and hoping that appropriate measures are taken. Thankfully, I've never witnessed a service animal behaving in an unbecoming way.

[C-Dragons]

There were two such dogs on our fall Reflection trans-Atlantic cruise last year. I observed one barking in the Oceanview Cafe and another one playing with a tissue he/she found on the floor of an elevator. Obviously not true service animals.

We only saw one of the dogs on the TA. The owners, who were German, carried around a bed for it. The wife came into Michael's Club alone one night with the dog. The bar server was missing his own dog at home and was overjoyed to see this dog. He went over to show it some affection and the "service" dog started barking, which caused the woman to jump up and start screaming at him. Unfortunately the MC concierge was not there to diffuse the situation. The woman then started complaining to everyone she could, from Guest Relations, to the HD and so on trying to get the bar server removed from his position in MC. It was a sad situation.

[4774Papa]

We only saw one of the dogs on the TA. The owners, who were German, carried around a bed for it. The wife came into Michael's Club alone one night with the dog. The bar server was missing his own dog at home and was overjoyed to see this dog. He went over to show it some affection and the "service" dog started barking, which caused the woman to jump up and start screaming at him. Unfortunately the MC concierge was not there to diffuse the situation. The woman then started complaining to everyone she could, from Guest Relations, to the HD and so on trying to get the bar server removed from his position in MC. It was a sad situation.

You refer to Germans. I lived in Germany for four years. Loved the country.

However, it was very common for Germans to take their dogs into restaurants with them. Many of the dogs are large, but usually well behaved. You would find more dogs in restaurants than children.

 

It reminded me that there is a saying in Germany that goes something like this.

The most important things to a German are his Wife, his dog and his car, but not necessarily in that order.

[need2bespoiled]

Nevermind.

Edited January 8, 2015 by need2bespoiled
Just couldn't

[hulamoon]

Many countries and states allow dogs in restaurants. There need be no pretense, as its allowed for pets.

 

I hope before this issue gets out of hand the cruise lines find ways to tighten the policy.

 

I am so very glad I missed the infamous doll cruise. ;)

[tispwisp]

We were on a Eclipse Southern Caribbean cruise in March 2013.

A white poodle type dog which was pushed in a stroller was seen to relieve itself on the grass. Also in the indoor pool area.

I didn't witness this, but did see it in Select dining and barking in the theatre.

 

I was on this cruise with you and I DID see this little dog relieve itself on the grass right next to where we were playing bocce - barefoot! :p:eek::p:mad: Also saw it barking in its stroller at the Ensemble bar one night. :p

 

Regarding the infamous doll cruise - we were originally booked on that cruise, but I switched cruises when I found out about the American Girl group that was going to be on board. Smartest change I ever made! :cool: Whew! Glad I got out of that one!

[cle-guy]

Interesting situation, but strange that the people involved had no explanation, or more likely simply did not care to give one, for whatever reason.

 

Is it possible that they were not disembarking in the UK but remaining on the ship to continue on the following cruise and disembark elsewhere, or else that they were disembarking at a stop before the ship reached the UK?

 

 

I thought maybe they'd leave in Azores, but stayed on.

 

And on initial docking in the UK after a TA, everyone needs to disembark and clear customs, which now that I think of it we cleared immigration on ship, i think customs is voluntary on departure (red lane or green lane...)and Eclipse calls Southampton home.

 

Maybe they just knew they could scam their way off the ship...?

[hmorrow]

Orange is the new black and dogs are the new passengers......

 

 

I have the cutest poodle in the world- no really!

But he doesn't belong on a cruise ship

I could buy a service dog "package" on line and then I could save bunches of boarding fees every time I cruise- but he IS a DOG , not a specially trained service dog, and by the grace of God, I don't need a service dog.

Service dogs aren't rolled around in strollers

[drfun48]

If I bring a therapy mistress will I be charged full fare for her ?

Edited January 9, 2015 by drfun48

[neverbeenhere]

They are available in all ports. And YOU will have to pay double.

[Azulann]

Point of information...

What is deal about strollers for dogs? I thought strollers were for babies and small children, silly me.

I am loving this thread, but it still does not beat this classic: "Can I bring a blender on board for mixing my fruit and drink in my cabin?"

[Gracie115]

NHL Arizona - I really like that list.

 

I agree that service animals of any type should adhere to these standards. There's no excuse for dog poo at the buffet (unless a service dog is seriously ill). And I'd be ok with alerting someone that a service animal is not behaving appropriately and hoping that appropriate measures are taken. Thankfully, I've never witnessed a service animal behaving in an unbecoming way.

 

And THAT is the point....a TRUE service dog behaves better than most humans....so they are easy to tell apart from a yapping dog or aggressive dog who is only there because someone has lied when referring to them as a "service animal." Just because you spend $100 online and buy a certificate does not make an animal a service animal. The abuse of the law is rampant and an insult to those animals that are highly trained to help their owners.

[dwhe]

All the cruise lines operating in the US follow the ADA laws....

 

It's where the Vessel is registered and located at the time, not where they may have offices.

 

True enough.....but since the fine print in your cruise documents state that any legal action will be heard in a Miami-Dade FLORIDA courtroom I suspect the cruiseline(at least X & Royal) tend to pay attention to US laws........

 

Really. So if I took them to court I would get a nice holiday in Florida, sounds good to me :D

[Darcys mom]

And THAT is the point....a TRUE service dog behaves better than most humans....so they are easy to tell apart from a yapping dog or aggressive dog who is only there because someone has lied when referring to them as a "service animal." Just because you spend $100 online and buy a certificate does not make an animal a service animal. The abuse of the law is rampant and an insult to those animals that are highly trained to help their owners.

 

I totally agree with you. Service dogs usually go almost un noticed, quietly doing there job and not bringing attention to themselves or their handlers.

 

We have a therapy dog who visits at a children's hospital in Cleveland. He is well behaved in public, but we would never think of abusing the system and making it more difficult for true service dogs to be accepted. If we are out at a park or camping and see an owner not cleaning up after their dog, we don't hesitate to hand them a bag to pick up the mess. On a ship, we wouldn't have a bag handy, but we would have to say something. People like that give all dog owners a bad name. True service dog handlers would never want to be a bad example.

[Gracie115]

It's where the Vessel is registered and located at the time, not where they may have offices.

 

 

 

Really. So if I took them to court I would get a nice holiday in Florida, sounds good to me :D

 

ok....but unless you can afford to stay on Miami's beach it sure isn't a great place for a holiday so don't think it would be a big bunch of fun.....

[DirtyDawg]

If I bring a therapy mistress will I be charged full fare for her ?

 

LOL :)

 

I had to edit out the rest of my comments. But trust me when I say they were very very good.:D And would have gotten me kicked off CC in a heartbeat. ;)

Edited January 9, 2015 by DirtyDawg

[cle-guy]

It's where the Vessel is registered and located at the time, not where they may have offices.

 

People tend to oversimplify what a vessel's registrations have to do with laws they follow.

 

I've been truing to discount the specifics, but have come tot he conclusion that its quite complex.

 

Ships entering the US have to have meet US coast guard regulations, even if flagged in Malta. Ships sailing in US waters have to follow US emissions standards.

 

When businesses establish foreign branches, they establish "Nexus" in those foreign locales, and are then held accountable to that local laws. With an office in Miami, they need to follow US regulations.

 

Where I get lost, is how they dot have to pay US wages to stay when in US waters. There may be Maritime laws that come into play in this regard, or complex contracting with the employees in place.

 

But I have read about a lawsuit against Carnival Cruise Lines where Carnival was required by the decision of the suit, to provide reasonable accommodations to meet ADA regulations, which included a particular number of ADA cabins within every cabin category on their ships.

 

I was a US-based company, and set up a foreign branch in Egypt, and had to follow Egyptian laws for the part of the business that was there, so would assume a ship even in flagged in Malta, would have to provide ADA compliance when it is in the US.

[drfun48]

LOL :)

 

I had to edit out the rest of my comments. But trust me when I say they were very very good.:D And would have gotten me kicked off CC in a heartbeat. ;)

 

I'll leave it to my imagination. And yes they are very Puritanical in their guidelines ,what with all the little kiddies viewing this board. LOL

[constantcruiser]

This isn't exclusive to Celebrity. We were aboard Serenade of the Seas over New Year's and there were 4 dogs on board. I never saw 2 of them, met one well-behaved and identified service dog, and couldn't help avoiding one very yappy little dog in a stroller. It barked constantly and annoyed many other passengers. I sincerely doubt it was a legitimate "emotional support animal" because I saw it being pushed around in the stroller by several different people.

[dkjretired]

It's where the Vessel is registered and located at the time, not where they may have offices.

 

 

 

Really. So if I took them to court I would get a nice holiday in Florida, sounds good to me :D

 

Never said anything about having offices, the cruise lines who operate in the US have agreed to follow the ADA rules when operating US cruises.

[babyher]

I don't think that mother's little helper mixes well with the 123go all you can drink promotion. We would probably miss a lot of ports while they are evacuating all of those who OD'ed

 

 

 

 

Yeah true

 

 

You do have an excessive amount of light weights around these days

 

Gone are the days Judy Garland could be full of Seconal and Jack Daniels and still wow em at the Palace .

 

And lets not even get into The Rolling Stones or Bob Dylan.

[Sandtrap328]

Emotional Support Animals. Seeing more and more of them.

 

Balderdash!

 

The cruise line should demand a letter from a psychiatrisrt before allowig anyone to come aboard with their mutts. The mutts should never be allowed in dining areas, either!