Removed from ship in bali for flicking cigarette o/board

[MicCanberra]

The media seems to positively salivate over every possible opportunity to show cruise lines in a bad light, without having any knowledge about cruising themselves.

 

There was an very annoying article in the Sun Herald travel section yesterday "How to avoid paying tips on cruises" quoting Martin Field from WineTalk @ Noosa 101.3 FM who stated "that crew they've talked to on various cruises say they sign on for an agreed salary and don't receive any extra income from the compulsory gratuity charges paid by passengers." :mad: :mad: :mad: The article did mention that the Aussie-cruise lines had abolished tips however. But with "advice" like that published in national newspapers no wonder Aussies get a bad reputation for removing the daily gratuities.

 

Obviously Martin is an expert on cruise lines HR department and can be trusted completely to have all the facts.:rolleyes:

[MicCanberra]

The media seems to positively salivate over every possible opportunity to show cruise lines in a bad light, without having any knowledge about cruising themselves.

 

There was an very annoying article in the Sun Herald travel section yesterday "How to avoid paying tips on cruises" quoting Martin Field from WineTalk @ Noosa 101.3 FM who stated "that crew they've talked to on various cruises say they sign on for an agreed salary and don't receive any extra income from the compulsory gratuity charges paid by passengers." :mad: :mad: :mad: The article did mention that the Aussie-cruise lines had abolished tips however. But with "advice" like that published in national newspapers no wonder Aussies get a bad reputation for removing the daily gratuities.

 

In my experience (on these CC boards and on cruises), I have noticed two things.

The first is that it tends to be the US passengers that are removing tips more than other nationalities but they also tend to be the major nationality on both the forums and the cruise ships.

The second is that people will do whatever they want with tipping and then they justify their decision so they can live with their conscience whatever that decision is.

Personally I would prefer them included in the fare price but then either way it is paid.

[Pushka]

 

Personally I would prefer them included in the fare price but then either way it is paid.

 

 

But then - the fares will go up and the USA folks used to tipping will continue to tip and it becomes one big cycle.

 

On Cunard it wasn't the USA people who were removing the tips but from countries where tipping isn't the norm. One fellow in front of me was trying to ensure his cabin attendant wasn't told he'd removed them. The service person said he wouldn't be advised, but did say that the attendant's boss would be. (I wasn't there to remove tips btw :p)

 

 

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[MicCanberra]

But then - the fares will go up and the USA folks used to tipping will continue to tip and it becomes one big cycle.

 

On Cunard it wasn't the USA people who were removing the tips but from countries where tipping isn't the norm. One fellow in front of me was trying to ensure his cabin attendant wasn't told he'd removed them. The service person said he wouldn't be advised, but did say that the attendant's boss would be. (I wasn't there to remove tips btw :p)

 

 

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I don't see how the fares will go up if the risk of people removing the tips has been taken away, it is not like the cruise line cares that much about the crew who rely on the tips currently.

I suppose for Cunard the majority may be British passengers.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Obviously Martin is an expert on cruise lines HR department and can be trusted completely to have all the facts.:rolleyes:

 

Exactly! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[The_Big_M]

The media seems to positively salivate over every possible opportunity to show cruise lines in a bad light, without having any knowledge about cruising themselves.

 

There was an very annoying article in the Sun Herald travel section yesterday "How to avoid paying tips on cruises" quoting Martin Field from WineTalk @ Noosa 101.3 FM who stated "that crew they've talked to on various cruises say they sign on for an agreed salary and don't receive any extra income from the compulsory gratuity charges paid by passengers." :mad: :mad: :mad: The article did mention that the Aussie-cruise lines had abolished tips however. But with "advice" like that published in national newspapers no wonder Aussies get a bad reputation for removing the daily gratuities.

 

I was surprised by that article given it was by their cruising specialist, who should have more informed sources than just reporting idle opinions.

 

Although maybe it's new world reporting where it's more important to just give equal air to people's opinions a la climate change.

[The_Big_M]

The second is that people will do whatever they want with tipping and then they justify their decision so they can live with their conscience whatever that decision is.

 

Very true - though far from unique to tipping. ;)

[The_Big_M]

it wasn't the USA people who were removing the tips but from countries where tipping isn't the norm.

 

That's been my observation as well.

 

People all over do it, but there are more Aussies who arc up and say I don't pay tips here, so I'm not going to have some foreign company tell me what to do.

 

But then - the fares will go up and the USA folks used to tipping will continue to tip and it becomes one big cycle.

 

True - though tips have been going up on some lines a fair bit lately anyway...

[OzKiwiJJ]

I was surprised by that article given it was by their cruising specialist, who should have more informed sources than just reporting idle opinions.

 

Although maybe it's new world reporting where it's more important to just give equal air to people's opinions a la climate change.

 

That's not the first time she's written a less than informed article on cruising. She wrote a stinker about Norovirus on Golden Princess back in March essentially blaming it all on contaminated food.

[marinating]

This story is about to be viewed on ACA on channel 9, will be interesting.

[The_Big_M]

This story is about to be viewed on ACA on channel 9, will be interesting.

 

She's certainly done a good job in the promotion department then, getting these media agencies on board. That in itself isn't always easy.

[By The Bay]

This story is about to be viewed on ACA on channel 9, will be interesting.

All the "experts" interviewed agreed he did the wrong thing and P&O was correct in their treatment. The program also noted that the daughter will not be seeking compensation. Amen.:)

[MicCanberra]

She's certainly done a good job in the promotion department then, getting these media agencies on board. That in itself isn't always easy.

 

It just smacks of ambulance chasing.:(

Edited June 21, 2016 by MicCanberra

[MicCanberra]

All the "experts" interviewed agreed he did the wrong thing and P&O was correct in their treatment. The program also noted that the daughter will not be seeking compensation. Amen.:)

 

I am glad they have portrayed the story like that. I imagine she realised that there would be none (compensation) coming and the media have paid her for any costs incurred to get them home.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Thank goodness for that!

 

Still, having it in the media like that sends a very strong message to any other smokers who think the rules don't apply to them and that it's OK to flick butts off cruise ships.

[MicCanberra]

Thank goodness for that!

 

Still, having it in the media like that sends a very strong message to any other smokers who think the rules don't apply to them and that it's OK to flick butts off cruise ships.

 

Lets hope people get the right message.

[CupcakeSusie]

All the "experts" interviewed agreed he did the wrong thing and P&O was correct in their treatment. The program also noted that the daughter will not be seeking compensation. Amen.:)

 

Excellent!

[By The Bay]

All the "experts" interviewed agreed he did the wrong thing and P&O was correct in their treatment. The program also noted that the daughter will not be seeking compensation. Amen.:)

I forgot to mention that they also reported and showed footage of the fire on the Star Princess in 2006, which was attributed to a cigarette butt, and caused the death of one man and destroyed 10 cabins.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

I forgot to mention that they also reported and showed footage of the fire on the Star Princess in 2006, which was attributed to a cigarette butt, and caused the death of one man and destroyed 10 cabins.

 

Here's a post from the Cruise Critic Princess board , 10 years on , from someone who experienced the Star fire...

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2332381&highlight=star+fire+2006

[By The Bay]

Here's a post from the Cruise Critic Princess board , 10 years on , from someone who experienced the Star fire...

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2332381&highlight=star+fire+2006

Thanks for the link. A well written objective report.

[mr walker]

I am glad they have portrayed the story like that.

 

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised at how ACA portrayed the story. Based on the promo I was sure it was going to be another big bad cruiseline bash, with the 'professional' complainer give free reign, but it wasn't to be. The two 'experts' they showed gave the offender no leeway & as others posted the report linked the dangers of discarding a lighted cigarette to the Star Princess.

 

I am more than happy for a zero tolerance approach re things that endanger peoples lives.

[OzKiwiJJ]

We were on Dawn Princess last year when there was a minor fire alert - in one of the switchboard rooms on a lower deck in a crew area. There was no general alarm but the captain did make several announcements about it. They kept everyone very well informed about what was happening and it was dealt with relatively quickly.

 

We were at an early show in the Vista Lounge at the time - British Pub Night I think it was. It actually turned out to be quite hilarious. Every time the cast reached a key point in the show e.g. just before the punch line of a joke, the captain's broadcast would interrupt. Talk about timing! :D

[OzKiwiJJ]

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised at how ACA portrayed the story. Based on the promo I was sure it was going to be another big bad cruiseline bash, with the 'professional' complainer give free reign, but it wasn't to be. The two 'experts' they showed gave the offender no leeway & as others posted the report linked the dangers of discarding a lighted cigarette to the Star Princess.

 

I am more than happy for a zero tolerance approach re things that endanger peoples lives.

 

I noticed some very careful wording in that story, especially when describing how the offender was caught. Made me wonder even more if he'd done the same thing earlier in the cruise and been noticed on a CCTV feed, so a security officer was lurking in the hope of discovering who he was.

[mum and son]

Here's a post from the Cruise Critic Princess board , 10 years on , from someone who experienced the Star fire...

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2332381&highlight=star+fire+2006

 

Thanks for posting that link. It was a very interesting read and has made me think hard about the importance of muster drills. My son will be 17 on our next cruise and will likely share a cabin with his 17 year old cousin. I am going to make doubly sure that they take the muster drill seriously and know exactly what they need to do in the case of an emergency, because they won't be hanging around under my wing anymore.

[Lucky TGO]

Good for P&O and the Captain. I wish Princess would do the same. I have read on cruise critic that most of the time they don't do anything. The cabin stewards don't say anything if they smell cigarette smoke in fear of not getting a tip at the end of the cruise. I don't know how true this is because it never happened to me. I just read it on cruise Critic. Has this happened to anyone?

Tony

Edited June 22, 2016 by Lucky TGO