Live from the Oasis--Woman Threatens to Kill Security Guards and Family in MDR

[Biker19]

I can not believe in this day & age there is NO video especially since she used the DYKWIA!

 

Maybe we are not quite to the stage where everyone is a news reporter with a phone camera.;)

[lahlah57]

So true about the mean drunk! Also those folks that are on mental medications and drink on top of those! Nothing good can come out of that.......I will always say.....YOU WILL NEVER MAKE SENSE OUT OF CRAZY:rolleyes:

[crusinthrough]

Re-read the first sentence in post #1

 

 

 

Reread first post. It begins by saying woman throwing silverware...........

 

 

 

Yes she did say she was throwing silverware

 

 

You are correct. I somehow missed the 1st sentence, go figure.

[DavyJoneses]

She was drunk....

 

I think that about sums it up!

[globrcircler]

I've been cruising since 1984. Nothing that exciting has ever happened on one of my cruises. Imagine dinner conversation on future cruises if one were witness to that. If video is displayed, I do believe the face should be blurred. No point in getting someone's job because of vacation behavior. She will do herself in at some future Intel event. She won't require any help with that.

BTY, some witty postings from CC members on this one.

 

Carolyn in Texas (where it is hotter than blazes)

[stlouistravelers]

Seems to me that anytime a person begins throwing dangerous objects that the person no longer has rights. Had a knife stuck into a child or anybody else then it seems that the cruise line would have had a worse PR situation on their hands. I believe that if one of those objects came my way that I would have intervened for the safety of my loved ones. My opinion is that security should have immediately escorted the lady away. My guess is that it took some period of time for them to get to the dining area since it is probably not the normal site of violence.

[iluvcruzin]

It's a fact that some people handle alcohol better than others.

 

It is not a fact. It is a myth that someone can "handle" alcohol. There are factors that determine the absorption rate of alcohol . Gender, size, weight, if they are stressed, if they add carbonation to the drink, if it was consumed in an empty stomach, if they consumed it while taking medication.

 

The cruise line staff did the right thing. The first step was to try and calm the person down. They don't know right away if the problem is alcohol related or something else. It is about safety.

 

Not sure if I believe the whole story the OP is saying. The final part about the sheriff thing seems like an onboard rumour. I really doubt that was mentioned while escorting her out in front of other passengers.

Edited July 31, 2016 by iluvcruzin

[tiger-91]

Anyone notice how the Original Poster hasn't followed up on their post or participated in the conversation? Makes me doubt this alleged incident occurred.

[jencendiary]

Anyone notice how the Original Poster hasn't followed up on their post or participated in the conversation? Makes me doubt this alleged incident occurred.

 

Which port of call did this wind up at? If that municipality has a database of arrests and mugshots (like most do) it would be easy to search by date the ship made port and by gender to see.

 

But, yeah. A drive-by poster is super sketchy.

[constable145]

It is not a fact. It is a myth that someone can "handle" alcohol. There are factors that determine the absorption rate of alcohol . Gender, size, weight, if they are stressed, if they add carbonation to the drink, if it was consumed in an empty stomach, if they consumed it while taking medication.

 

The cruise line staff did the right thing. The first step was to try and calm the person down. They don't know right away if the problem is alcohol related or something else. It is about safety.

 

Not sure if I believe the whole story the OP is saying. The final part about the sheriff thing seems like an onboard rumour. I really doubt that was mentioned while escorting her out in front of other passengers.

 

 

I going to have to disagree here . Many people can handle there alcohol better than others . There is a myriad of reasons why, many of which you mention, but some people can handle their alcohol .

 

I arrested a guy once. He was you prototypical town drunk. If you didn't see the test results, you wouldn't have known he was drunk.

[payitforward]

So true about the mean drunk! Also those folks that are on mental medications and drink on top of those! Nothing good can come out of that.......I will always say.....YOU WILL NEVER MAKE SENSE OUT OF CRAZY:rolleyes:

 

"Mental medications??" SERIOUSLY? FYI 26% of the population struggles with some sort of mental illness. Many people take anti-depressants or other drugs to stabilize moods, etc, and "those folks" will seem perfectly normal. Most can manage a couple of cocktails. In fact, those that are on "mental medications" (as you so crudely put it) are not the ones you have to watch out for. It's those who refuse to acknowledge, or get treatment for, their issues that you need to worry about.

 

Comments like yours only perpetuate society's fear of mental illness, and do more harm than good. BTW: I sit on Wisconsin Governor's Advisory Council on Mental Health, and the advisory board for the Wisconsin Initiative on Stigma Elimination.

[lahlah57]

"Mental medications??" SERIOUSLY? FYI 26% of the population struggles with some sort of mental illness. Many people take anti-depressants or other drugs to stabilize moods, etc, and "those folks" will seem perfectly normal. Most can manage a couple of cocktails. In fact, those that are on "mental medications" (as you so crudely put it) are not the ones you have to watch out for. It's those who refuse to acknowledge, or get treatment for, their issues that you need to worry about.

 

Comments like yours only perpetuate society's fear of mental illness, and do more harm than good. BTW: I sit on Wisconsin Governor's Advisory Council on Mental Health, and the advisory board for the Wisconsin Initiative on Stigma Elimination.

 

No not crudely put but simply put.......yes and you stated a realistic percentage of folks with mental illness.

I am stating that those said " mental meds" have contraindications in regards to using alcohol while on them. Once said people get on the ship and alcohol is of the easiest of access there will be trouble brewing.

Plainly stated there is a percentage who do not seek treatment and self medicate with alcohol and street drugs and a percentage of those who mix their prescriptives WITH alcohol.

The story behind the OP's post.....no one knows for sure but I stated a simply put fact and did not feel the need for clinical terms.......get a grip:rolleyes:

[payitforward]

No not crudely put but simply put.......yes and you stated a realistic percentage of folks with mental illness.

I am stating that those said " mental meds" have contraindications in regards to using alcohol while on them. Once said people get on the ship and alcohol is of the easiest of access there will be trouble brewing.

Plainly stated there is a percentage who do not seek treatment and self medicate with alcohol and street drugs and a percentage of those who mix their prescriptives WITH alcohol.

The story behind the OP's post.....no one knows for sure but I stated a simply put fact and did not feel the need for clinical terms.......get a grip:rolleyes:

 

If you want to talk about alcohol being contraindicated with medication, why specifically target those with mental illness? It's also a problem with medications for many other conditions. I already addressed those who do not seek treatment as more of a concern. People who are compliant with their treatment program are very aware of the potential complications. You did not state a "simply put fact." You stated a jaded, rude, condescending and stigma perpetuating opinion.

Edited July 31, 2016 by payitforward

[lahlah57]

If you want to talk about alcohol being contraindicated with medication, why specifically target those with mental illness? It's also a problem with medications for many other conditions. I already addressed those who do not seek treatment as more of a concern. People who are compliant with their treatment program are veryr aware of the potential complications. You did not state a "simply put fact." You stated a jaded, rude, condescending and stigma perpetuating opinion.

 

You are making this ridiculously personal and the reason I "target" is the original post was not talking about someone with high blood pressure issues but mental issues.....again...I say...GET GRIP;)

I am now done with this issue and stand on what I stated.

[Ocean Dancer]

Just checked the Oasis roll call of OP'S sailing 7/9/16 and no one posted anything like " Did you hear about the crazy lady in the MDR? " upon return. I just read the last page and none of those who posted there, have posted here.......seems a bit strange. :confused:

 

Playitforward........I agree!!

Edited July 31, 2016 by Ocean Dancer

[Mark_K]

+1

 

 

 

I've seen it done on a Qantas A380 headed to LAX:

 

 

 

. cabin staff knelt down and looked up at irate noisy business class passenger and calmly asked him if he could keep the noise down as people were trying to sleep.

 

 

 

. pax continued to get louder and louder (DYKWIA)

 

 

 

. more and more senior cabin staff knelt at his feet and looked up at him (submissive position/actions)

 

 

 

. eventually chief purser gave an ultimatum and he settled down.

 

 

 

What he didn't see were the air marshals in each aisle next to my seat waiting to see whether he was going to stop. They were deliberately outside his line of sight. (Their presence initially gave me a bit of a fright!)

 

 

 

Once he had calmed down they 'melted away' back to somewhere in the plane.

 

 

 

I doubt they melted to the back of the plane. Typically, Air Marshals are seated in the front of the plane so they can more easily protect the cockpit.

Edited July 31, 2016 by Mark_K

[iluvcruzin]

I going to have to disagree here . Many people can handle there alcohol better than others . There is a myriad of reasons why, many of which you mention, but some people can handle their alcohol .

 

I arrested a guy once. He was you prototypical town drunk. If you didn't see the test results, you wouldn't have known he was drunk.

 

Signs of someone being inebriated differ. That doesn't mean they "handle" it better. I work for MLB. We are trained on how to deal with those we may encounter that may be under the influence. (We must keep certification). Between this and being the daughter of a bar owner I've seen and encountered all kinds including what appears to be the functioning drunk. But I wouldn't consider any of them being able to handle alcohol.

[constable145]

Signs of someone being inebriated differ. That doesn't mean they "handle" it better. I work for MLB. We are trained on how to deal with those we may encounter that may be under the influence. (We must keep certification). Between this and being the daughter of a bar owner I've seen and encountered all kinds including what appears to be the functioning drunk. But I wouldn't consider any of them being able to handle alcohol.

The more some drinks, the more their tolerance goes up.

 

Some people can handle alcohol better than others. There is no arguing that.

 

If you work in MLB you deal with drunks 81 times a year... I deal with them on a daily basis

 

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[marci22]

Signs of someone being inebriated differ. That doesn't mean they "handle" it better. I work for MLB. We are trained on how to deal with those we may encounter that may be under the influence. (We must keep certification). Between this and being the daughter of a bar owner I've seen and encountered all kinds including what appears to be the functioning drunk. But I wouldn't consider any of them being able to handle alcohol.

 

I agree. Just because you can do one thing well while drinking, does not mean that you are 100% functioning on all other parameters. Plus, that person is probably drinking more to begin with.

[MaiseyM]

My favorite story in response to the Don't You Know question was an airline ticket counter employee who supposedly got on the P.A. system and said "I need some help here. This man doesn't know who he is."

 

ha!

 

 

That sounds like a really bad deal in the dining room though. Sad for her/her family and frustrating for the passengers and those staff that had to address this behavior. You can't be doing stuff like this in public places, esp. in the middle of the sea.

[iluvcruzin]

The more some drinks, the more their tolerance goes up.

 

Some people can handle alcohol better than others. There is no arguing that.

 

If you work in MLB you deal with drunks 81 times a year... I deal with them on a daily basis

 

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I encounter them all year round - NFL is the worst. But you are correct in that I'm sure you are exposed to them more as I work events part-time. My career position is behind a desk.

 

We can agree to disagree on the use of the word "handle".

[cwo4wife]

What is DYKWIA?

 

Thank you

 

I love when they start with the DYKWIA routine. BSO at the Pier, no doubt.

[LMaxwell]

What is DYKWIA?

 

Thank you

 

Do you know who I am?

 

Usually thrown around by people that no one cares who they are but think they are important or that their professional position lends them powers above others.

[chengkp75]

It is not a fact. It is a myth that someone can "handle" alcohol. There are factors that determine the absorption rate of alcohol . Gender, size, weight, if they are stressed, if they add carbonation to the drink, if it was consumed in an empty stomach, if they consumed it while taking medication.

 

The cruise line staff did the right thing. The first step was to try and calm the person down. They don't know right away if the problem is alcohol related or something else. It is about safety.

 

Not sure if I believe the whole story the OP is saying. The final part about the sheriff thing seems like an onboard rumour. I really doubt that was mentioned while escorting her out in front of other passengers.

 

I, as well, doubt the statement about the Sheriff. First off, you are correct that Security would not say something like this in a public area, and second, the Broward County Sheriff has no jurisdiction over an incident like this, particularly in international waters.

[Caon74]

Not sure what its like in the US but drinks packages are 'free' with nearly every UK cruise purchase. Its a massive sale generating tactic over here, sales literature states all inclusive drinks before listing the ports :eek:

 

I'm no prude and like a drink but 70 people recently thrown of Independence (if the post from the reviews section of CC is to be believed) for alcohol related incidents is a serious matter, as is this with this lady.

 

Not sure the answer is.

 

 

I was on the Indy a couple of weeks back and was enjoying a drink at studio b with some friends I had met on a previous cruise.Bar closed at 1am and the lady was cleaning up ( great bar woman by the way) when a group of travellers(gypsies/pikies or whatever you call them) came up and asked for a drink.She politely told them she was finished and where they could get one but they kicked off instead calling her a slave and the likes.The lads I was with had already jumped into her defence and just when it looked like it was going to get messy about 25 -30 security arrived and escorted them out.From start to finish the whole thing lasted less than a minute.We could only think that they where already being watch by cctv because the reaction time of security was ridiculously fast.Oh and we never saw them again but that might have just been luck