Rare John&LaLa Posted July 15, 2017 #126 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I suspect if this ever gets debated for real every incident where liability was limited due to DOHSA will be brought up. No sense in leaving any out. This message may have been entered via voice recognition. Please excuse any typos. Got it, thanks Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted July 15, 2017 #127 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Eventually, I hope that will be the case. I don't think sellers should be able to evade consumer protections without completely disavowing themselves of the good offices of the United States government ENTIRELY. This message may have been entered via voice recognition. Please excuse any typos. Wow... ;p JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted July 15, 2017 #128 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I guess you don't feel or have the Burn (spelled wrong intentionally) as does our friend bUU. The Hammers, 74 and 72, died of smoke inhalation on a cruise on the Amazon. The cause of said smoke was from a PROHIBITED power strip. I guess the family would like to sue for pain and suffering. Sounds like ambulance chasing to me. This cruise was not on a US based ship, or ported in the US. But was sold out of Alabama. I guess the tentacles of ambulance chasers want to extend their reach. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 15, 2017 #129 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I guess you don't feel or have the Burn (spelled wrong intentionally) as does our friend bUU. The Hammers, 74 and 72, died of smoke inhalation on a cruise on the Amazon. The cause of said smoke was from a PROHIBITED power strip. I guess the family would like to sue for pain and suffering. Sounds like ambulance chasing to me. This cruise was not on a US based ship, or ported in the US. But was sold out of Alabama. I guess the tentacles of ambulance chasers want to extend their reach. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Actually, it is only the plaintiff's contention that the fire was caused by the power strip. Interestingly, the power strip was supplied by the cruise line, and the plaintiff's are claiming that because the power strip was not surge protected that that was the cause of the fire. They are a little confused about the details of maritime electricity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted July 15, 2017 #130 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Actually, it is only the plaintiff's contention that the fire was caused by the power strip. Interestingly, the power strip was supplied by the cruise line, and the plaintiff's are claiming that because the power strip was not surge protected that that was the cause of the fire. They are a little confused about the details of maritime electricity. Thanks for clearing this up. I thought Surge Protected power strips are the problem on cruise ships?? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 15, 2017 #131 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Thanks for clearing this up. I thought Surge Protected power strips are the problem on cruise ships?? Sent from my iPhone using Forums They are. The power strip found in the cabin was not surge protected, and the couple's daughters claim that since the strip wasn't surge protected, that this was the cause of the problem. As you say, surge protection is the problem, not a lack of surge protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealstuber Posted July 15, 2017 #132 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Don't these guys have anything better to do? Everything proposed increases costs for the cruise lines and those costs get passed on to use (or something else I enjoy gets cut). "Small towns" are cited, but no statistics on how crime rates in small towns compare to cruise lines - I think we know why. If these guys are really interested in reducing crime and violence on US citizens, they could introduce legislation requiring small towns to follow the model that cruise lines currently follow: 1) You have to pay and present a passport or photo ID to enter and leave. All of your belongings are x-rayed no drugs or alcohol or weapons allowed in to the small town. 2) Have public areas in small towns step up surveillance and video retention to levels already in place in cruise ships. 3) Hold the governments of small towns accountable and subject to liability for damages as a result of crimes or poor maintenance or other negligence 4) Have all government workers and agencies in these small towns subject to weekly feedback surveys from their citizens- any score less than a 10 should result in job security issues for those workers. Part of the reason we cruise is to get away from the ridiculousness of the US Government. Please stay away. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Dancer Posted July 15, 2017 #133 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Anyone know if this ship had sprinklers in the cabins? Problem solved if they were working. No one dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted July 15, 2017 #134 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Anyone know if this ship had sprinklers in the cabins? Problem solved if they were working. No one dies. Not sure about the fire. I think it was smoke inhalation but the Chief might be able to address. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Dancer Posted July 15, 2017 #135 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Not sure about the fire. I think it was smoke inhalation but the Chief might be able to address. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Or even smoke detectors............in mass, they are pretty cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 15, 2017 #136 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Anyone know if this ship had sprinklers in the cabins?Problem solved if they were working. No one dies. Not sure about the fire. I think it was smoke inhalation but the Chief might be able to address. Sent from my iPhone using Forums First off, sprinklers are a fire suppression system, not a fire extinguishing system, meaning that a sprinkler by itself will not normally extinguish a fire, it only suppresses the fire until other means are brought. No guarantee of safety of life with a sprinkler. I believe that this vessel was so small that it did not require sprinklers in the cabins, only smoke alarms. I do see that the Peruvian Navy's report states that the power strip was the source of the fire, but the plaintiff's claim that the power strip should have been surge protected is rubbish, as it was drawing too much current, not a high voltage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Dancer Posted July 15, 2017 #137 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Thanks Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 15, 2017 #138 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Everything proposed increases costs for the cruise lines and those costs get passed on to us (or something else I enjoy gets cut). Ah, the age old argument for some regulation - "isn't the increased cost worth it if it saved just one life"? Biker, who wonders what the going rate is for a life these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted July 15, 2017 #139 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Biker, who wonders what the going rate is for a life these days. And perhaps for some how much the rate is affected by their belief that it would be someone else's life that would be saved. This message may have been entered using voice recognition. Please excuse any typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 15, 2017 #140 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Biker, who wonders what the going rate is for a life these days. I was bored and looked it up. According to Wikipedia, an American life is quite a bit more expensive than others -about $10 million. Aussies and Kiwi are about $4M. Based on polls, Russians are worth less than $100K - the land of no regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Dancer Posted July 15, 2017 #141 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I was bored and looked it up. According to Wikipedia, an American life is quite a bit more expensive than others -about $10 million. Aussies and Kiwi are about $4M. Based on polls, Russians are worth less than $100K - the land of no regulations. Wow, interesting Biker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marne001 Posted July 16, 2017 #142 Share Posted July 16, 2017 What we need is less government interference. Sent from my SM-G930T using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted July 16, 2017 #143 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Actually, it is only the plaintiff's contention that the fire was caused by the power strip. Interestingly, the power strip was supplied by the cruise line, and the plaintiff's are claiming that because the power strip was not surge protected that that was the cause of the fire. They are a little confused about the details of maritime electricity. Here is a surge protection power strip on our fridge of Rhapsody this spring. Any thoughts? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted July 16, 2017 #144 Share Posted July 16, 2017 We have been on 78 cruises with 5 cruise lines & generally we feel safe ; however ,we have experienced bad medical services & bad cruise line responses to a potential criminal situation . We have also been on ships were there were suicides unfortunately & held in port by the FBI until they are satisfied . In general we endeavor to avoid potentially harmful situations ;but ,some times they do come your way . I a& my wife are 78 years of age .We cruise for relaxation & personal enjoyment of visiting various ports , We also have experienced highly untrained crew personnel when it comes to emergencies . My questions have been how liable is the cruise line for their neglect in those areas above & other things that can harm passengers . There has got to be laws enforceable to protect every cruise line passenger from negligence & crew members that commit criminal acts against cruise passengers . I agree with all laws that put teeth to protect all of us whether on land or at sea or in the air . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted July 16, 2017 #145 Share Posted July 16, 2017 We have been on 78 cruises with 5 cruise lines & generally we feel safe ; however ,we have experienced bad medical services & bad cruise line responses to a potential criminal situation . We have also been on ships were there were suicides unfortunately & held in port by the FBI until they are satisfied . In general we endeavor to avoid potentially harmful situations ;but ,some times they do come your way . I a& my wife are 78 years of age .We cruise for relaxation & personal enjoyment of visiting various ports , We also have experienced highly untrained crew personnel when it comes to emergencies . My questions have been how liable is the cruise line for their neglect in those areas above & other things that can harm passengers . There has got to be laws enforceable to protect every cruise line passenger from negligence & crew members that commit criminal acts against cruise passengers . I agree with all laws that put teeth to protect all of us whether on land or at sea or in the air . No matter the cost? Somebody always has to pay for Government Bureaucracy. Are you willing to pay for this?? Pay are larger fare? Some seem to think the so called little guy should pay nothing and the Corporations and people who have earned a good wage should sacrifice for those little people (not my words). Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted July 16, 2017 #146 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Don't these guys have anything better to do? Everything proposed increases costs for the cruise lines and those costs get passed on to use (or something else I enjoy gets cut). "Small towns" are cited, but no statistics on how crime rates in small towns compare to cruise lines - I think we know why. If these guys are really interested in reducing crime and violence on US citizens, they could introduce legislation requiring small towns to follow the model that cruise lines currently follow: 1) You have to pay and present a passport or photo ID to enter and leave. All of your belongings are x-rayed no drugs or alcohol or weapons allowed in to the small town. 2) Have public areas in small towns step up surveillance and video retention to levels already in place in cruise ships. 3) Hold the governments of small towns accountable and subject to liability for damages as a result of crimes or poor maintenance or other negligence 4) Have all government workers and agencies in these small towns subject to weekly feedback surveys from their citizens- any score less than a 10 should result in job security issues for those workers. Part of the reason we cruise is to get away from the ridiculousness of the US Government. Please stay away. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Wow, we agree. :eek: But in your view, trial attornies don't get rich. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 16, 2017 #147 Share Posted July 16, 2017 No matter the cost? Somebody always has to pay for Government Bureaucracy. Are you willing to pay for this?? Love the Margaret Thatcher quote: the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted July 16, 2017 #148 Share Posted July 16, 2017 First off, sprinklers are a fire suppression system, not a fire extinguishing system, meaning that a sprinkler by itself will not normally extinguish a fire, it only suppresses the fire until other means are brought. No guarantee of safety of life with a sprinkler. I believe that this vessel was so small that it did not require sprinklers in the cabins, only smoke alarms. I do see that the Peruvian Navy's report states that the power strip was the source of the fire, but the plaintiff's claim that the power strip should have been surge protected is rubbish, as it was drawing too much current, not a high voltage. Yes, people use electricity everyday, but rarely understand how it works. In other words they had a hair dryer, 3 computers, a small A/C unit and 4 IPhones plugged into it.... They were not hit by lightning. That said, you would think that a breaker would have tripped. O I forgot they put the curling iron on the daily compass, which was beside a bottle of 151 proof rum.... JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted July 16, 2017 #149 Share Posted July 16, 2017 No matter the cost? Somebody always has to pay for Government Bureaucracy. Are you willing to pay for this?? Pay are larger fare? Some seem to think the so called little guy should pay nothing and the Corporations and people who have earned a good wage should sacrifice for those little people (not my words). Sent from my iPhone using Forums You are my new favorite poster at CC. Welcome to the club!:halo: JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 16, 2017 #150 Share Posted July 16, 2017 You are my new favorite poster at CC. JC Just hope he lasts longer than last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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