schazzy Posted June 15, 2018 #151 Share Posted June 15, 2018 All that I am saying is that Carnival is being somewhat coy about the promise they made immediately after the Triumph fire, to install new generators to provide passenger services when the main power failed. They have not done this, but did something that is just as good, by segregating the two engine rooms. It's not a matter of safety, but one of PR and semantics. I had thought these big white vented boxes I saw on my last 2 cruises were generators, I don't recall seeing these on my 2010 and before cruises. https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-ecstasy-4/member-8/42126/ https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/ https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17906437/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted June 15, 2018 #152 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I had thought these big white vented boxes I saw on my last 2 cruises were generators, I don't recall seeing these on my 2010 and before cruises. https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-ecstasy-4/member-8/42126/ https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/ [url=https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/][/url]https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17906437/ They are generators. I think they are on all except the newest Carnival ships. I've been on cruises where they periodically test them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schazzy Posted June 15, 2018 #153 Share Posted June 15, 2018 They are generators. I think they are on all except the newest Carnival ships. I've been on cruises where they periodically test them. That's what I thought, they looked like the big emergency generator box at a former workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt082600 Posted June 15, 2018 #154 Share Posted June 15, 2018 👍🏼👍🏼I had to comment ; if only to say that I could not agree more with your post. Amen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 15, 2018 #155 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I had thought these big white vented boxes I saw on my last 2 cruises were generators, I don't recall seeing these on my 2010 and before cruises. https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-ecstasy-4/member-8/42126/ https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/ [url=https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/][/url]https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17906437/ Yes, those were leased generators that were installed as a temporary fix until the rerouting of the main power cables could be done. These still require some time to reconnect the generator to the main or emergency power panels. I would be surprised if class allows these to remain very much longer, as this does not meet the rules for permanent electrical installations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richstowe Posted June 15, 2018 #156 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I get the impression that you don't approve of these re-makes of older ships. Is that the case? I am almost nervous about boarding Sunshine again if you don't feel she is safe. How many staff or passengers were injured or killed in the horrible horrible Splendor or Triumph incidents ? Take a guess . The answer is 0 .Consider how many people have been killed or injured driving to or from their cruises . People have a problem with risk assessment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasong38501 Posted June 15, 2018 #157 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I had thought these big white vented boxes I saw on my last 2 cruises were generators, I don't recall seeing these on my 2010 and before cruises. https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-ecstasy-4/member-8/42126/ https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/ [url=https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17908528/][/url]https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/carnival-miracle-295/sun-decks-400854/sun-decks--v17906437/ This is what I thought as well. Here is the link to a drone video of the Glory made this month with a big white box behind the whaletale And here is a link that has pictures that are obviously older because that big white box isn't there. http://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/Carnival-Glory-730 Let's hope these links work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schazzy Posted June 15, 2018 #158 Share Posted June 15, 2018 This is what I thought as well. Here is the link to a drone video of the Glory made this month with a big white box behind the whaletale And here is a link that has pictures that are obviously older because that big white box isn't there. http://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/Carnival-Glory-730 Let's hope these links work! Yeah, that one and the one on the Ecstasy looked like permanent installations. The one on the Miracle was definitely one of the temporary ones Cheng mentioned. Maybe these were added when both ships had dry docks around the same time in early 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 15, 2018 #159 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Yeah, that one and the one on the Ecstasy looked like permanent installations. The one on the Miracle was definitely one of the temporary ones Cheng mentioned. Maybe these were added when both ships had dry docks around the same time in early 2017. Haven't seen that before, and yes, that does look like a permanent generator installation, so I'm wrong about them not going forward with this. Based on the size of the "box" and looking around the industry, to get a 10,000 volt generator (required to run the AC), I don't see any that have enough power and would fit in that space. To run basic hotel services and one AC chiller would be at least 4Mw, and that is about half the size of the Triumph's smaller main diesel generators. And even at 4Mw, I'm not sure the system could handle the starting surge of one of the chillers. So, my guess is that this is a 480 volt generator, in the 2Mw range, which could power lights, refrigeration, galleys, elevators, the all important toilets and water, and ventilation fans, but no AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma1980 Posted June 16, 2018 #160 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Thank you for the quick reply Chengkp75. I appreciate your ability to explain the complex in words I can understand. You bring so much valuable and interesting information to this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasong38501 Posted June 16, 2018 #161 Share Posted June 16, 2018 My question is how long Carnival will go without officially announcing what is happening with Triumph. You would think if they are adding staterooms they would make the announcement and add those staterooms to the deck plans for the post dry dock cruises so they could actually sell those rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtleCrossing1 Posted June 16, 2018 #162 Share Posted June 16, 2018 There will be an exciting announcement in the next few weeks Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbob84 Posted June 16, 2018 #163 Share Posted June 16, 2018 It has been rumored for a long time. Her drydock slot is currently February 25 - April 15, 2019, a solid 6 weeks. Sunshine's makeover was 2 months but if I recall correctly they had to add a deck to her in the forecastle, something that Triumph already has. They can do a lot in 6 weeks. I applaud the seeming decision to move forward. I agree for a $100-150 million they get loads of improvements for 1/10 the cost of a new ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealstuber Posted June 16, 2018 #164 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I agree for a $100-150 million they get loads of improvements for 1/10 the cost of a new ship. The Dream Class cost about $750 million, is bigger and holds more people. So it’s more like 1/5 to 1/4 the cost. and you don’t have the old ship when you’re done and they are taking an existing revenue stream completely out of commission for an additional month. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted June 16, 2018 #165 Share Posted June 16, 2018 My question is how long Carnival will go without officially announcing what is happening with Triumph. You would think if they are adding staterooms they would make the announcement and add those staterooms to the deck plans for the post dry dock cruises so they could actually sell those rooms. There would only be between 80-130 staterooms being added. That’s not much inventory to sell, and there’s still plenty of time even for the April 2019 sailings if it gets announced this summer. Sent from my eye phone using a three legged yak FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 16, 2018 #166 Share Posted June 16, 2018 There would only be between 80-130 staterooms being added. That’s not much inventory to sell, and there’s still plenty of time even for the April 2019 sailings if it gets announced this summer. Sent from my eye phone using a three legged yak FFS There could also be reclassifications of existing rooms if they follow the same things done to Sunshine. These would include Captain’s suites, Grand ocean views, Vista suites in the aft and other changes. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micahs Grandad Posted June 16, 2018 #167 Share Posted June 16, 2018 There could also be reclassifications of existing rooms if they follow the same things done to Sunshine. These would include Captain’s suites, Grand ocean views, Vista suites in the aft and other changes. Sent from my iPad using Forums Obviously the cruise line gets a nice return for doing this but strangely enough do not see other cruise lines following this path with their older ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 16, 2018 #168 Share Posted June 16, 2018 All the rest came in first... Funny but wrong Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 16, 2018 #169 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Obviously the cruise line gets a nice return for doing this but strangely enough do not see other cruise lines following this path with their older ships They were in a much different world when they did the sunshine. To continue the program implies it is working. Other cruise lines dabbled (royal majesty) but it might have more to do with the older ship market in addition to the economics. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April42749 Posted June 16, 2018 #170 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I had a cruise booked for May 2019, but canceled it due to "we didn't like the ports" and I was planning to book a different one for June. I'm wondering if the prices will go up based on the changes. I'm also wondering if the cabin I book will still be "the cabin I book"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richstowe Posted June 16, 2018 #171 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I had a cruise booked for May 2019, but canceled it due to "we didn't like the ports" and I was planning to book a different one for June.I'm wondering if the prices will go up based on the changes. I'm also wondering if the cabin I book will still be "the cabin I book"! Don't know about that but you might get a John Heald .:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April42749 Posted June 16, 2018 #172 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Don't know about that but you might get a John Heald .:D What does "getting a John Heald" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richstowe Posted June 16, 2018 #173 Share Posted June 16, 2018 What does "getting a John Heald" mean?What does senior cruise director of Carnival Cruise Lines mean (cause that's what he is).He shows up for big Carnival to-dos . Like Ronald McDonald . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted June 16, 2018 #174 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Obviously the cruise line gets a nice return for doing this but strangely enough do not see other cruise lines following this path with their older ships Nope, what other 'lesser' cruise lines do is buy and rebrand older ships. Golden Princess will have a long run with P & O, and she's almost 20. Personally, I never understood the fascination with new builds. Give me an older, well-maintained ship and a new adventure to a far away place any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 16, 2018 #175 Share Posted June 16, 2018 What does senior cruise director of Carnival Cruise Lines mean (cause that's what he is). He shows up for big Carnival to-dos . Like Ronald McDonald . For a minute there, i thought we were going to go without the “required” bashing. I’m sorry, I should have more faith in my fellow posters. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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