EDLOS Posted December 15, 2018 #176 Share Posted December 15, 2018 16 hours ago, sail7seas said: For those who do not care about suite breakfast in Pinnnale, that is, of , course fine. However, many of us think it one of the best benefits of being in a Neptune. For $50, it seems, HAL's money grab for such small sum is dismissing those who like the limited number of guests having breakfast each morning in Pinnacle. If we want to go where there is a crowd, we can go to MDR or Lido. We pay a great deal of money to avoid that as well as for a few other amenities that attach to Neptunes and Pinnac le suites. Kindly try to respect that position . 🙂 Perhaps someone enlighten me that if you don't want to "where there is a crowd" you are not sailing on Silverseas, Azamara, Regent, Oceania, Seabourne, Etc. where for the most part, all of these "Perks" are included. Also if you compare HAL's number of smaller dining alternatives to MDR with Celebrity, NCL, RCL, etc etc, they are dead last. Hal seem to have a "Ready, Fire Aim, management style. It looks like the Club Orange dining room was thought of after the Club Orange concept was implemented. I have been in today's College and Hospital dining venues that look as good or better the above picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vict0riann Posted December 16, 2018 #177 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I was trying to post from my iPad and I couldn’t get it to work- but I hit submit about 10 times, so if all my posts suddenly appear, I apologize. what I was trying to say is that we had the Premium Wine Tasting in Club Orange yesterday. The tasting was very good, but what I noticed was that half the people there were sitting sideways, as I was, to avoid being jabbed in the back by the curved wooden slats in the chairs. I wouldn’t last long at breakfast or dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #178 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) On 12/14/2018 at 7:50 PM, canadianbear said: It’s a perk I would miss not having breakfast in the Pinnacle where it’s nice, quiet and relaxing. We have been talking about alternating between Neptune and Signature suites but also a regular balcony. We have a Vista suite in February on the Koningsdam after being in their beautiful Signature suite last December. In April we are back to a Neptune on the NA. After that we will have to decide if the Neptunes are worth it to us any longer. I’m not liking some of the changes HAL is making but they are still my preferred cruise line, for now. Canadian bear, It is in Pinnacle at breakfast that we met and would not have if it had been crowded and noisy. I so enjoyed meeting you both, it would have been my loss to have missed that opportunity. You read my mind in what you said here in your post. I am now in the process of deciding if I want to book a particular cruise. For the first time in hundreds of cruises, I am seriously thinking of giving up my Neptune in favor of a Signature. I would have laughed if anyone had suggested that to me I do not like what I see as very negative changes to the Neptune exper ience I am a light drinker and do not care ab out a free drink but i CARE VERY MUCH they stopped the t raditional welcome aboard party for Neptunes. Especially now that my dh has passed and I travel as a solo. I w ant that party reinstated. The afternoon nonsense thing they do in the afternoon is a cheap, horrid, inconvenient substitute. Are they now so cheap they refuse go continue a suite traditional party. They should be ashamed the cutbacks are so severe. BUT Funny how they found the money to waste on meaningless change to the familiar HAL logo. Run the 'dam' HAL parties. Actually for someone to whom HAL was a very important of my ( and my DH's life) , it is Not funny. THEY can cut back? Well, so can we, The more They cut back, the More I think I will, as well an I KNOW for sure I am not alone in that thinking. Neptune is quickly becoming NO longer worth the price. IMO. Edited December 16, 2018 by sail7seas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldengatecruisers Posted December 16, 2018 #179 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) I realize one has to hunt for information on the HAL website but can anyone direct me to the page which describes Club Orange? Thank you to members currently on board providing valuable information. So it is only Neptune Suite guests that access Club Orange on a complimentary basis or does this new offering extend to Signature Suite guests? Has it been confirmed that the Pinnacle Grill suite-only breakfasts have been eliminated? My questions are specific to the Nieuw Statendam as I have an upcoming voyage and I have not received any information about Club Orange. Thank you in advance. Edited December 16, 2018 by goldengatecruisers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #180 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) On 12/13/2018 at 9:54 PM, terrydtx said: Not a good sign for this new concept. Had I been one of the few at a table in an empty restaurant on a ship., I would have gotten up and up and left. :eek Seems this was rolled out extremely poorly. Thanks you for sharing comments and information about this dismal and struggling atempt to do what other crfuise lines did long ago aned u quite succeessfullyh. LONG ago it wa HAL that introuced LIdo as an agraction on cruise ships. HAL, in thos years as an inovator with g terrific understaning of h chat cruisers liked and wanted. Recent years, it sems they have spent for more energy find ing things to eliminate or diminish in quality or quantity, JMO Edited December 16, 2018 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #181 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sail7seas said: Had I been one of the few at a table in an empty restaurant on a ship., I would have gotten up and left. :eek Seems this was rolled out extremely poorly. Thanks you for sharing comments and information about this dismal and struggling atempt to do what other crfuise lines did long ago aned u quite succeessfullyh. LONG ago it wa HAL that introuced LIdo as an agraction on cruise ships. HAL, in thos years as an inovator with g terrific understaning of h chat cruisers liked and wanted. Recent years, it sems they have spent for more energy find ing things to eliminate or diminish in quality or quantity, JMO Edited December 16, 2018 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribbean Chris Posted December 16, 2018 #182 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, goldengatecruisers said: I realize one has to hunt for information on the HAL website but can anyone direct me to the page which describes Club Orange? One of the strange elements of this new venue for suite guests is that it’s NOT shown on the website, as far as I have been able to discern. However, the deck plan for NS now shows Club Orange where the culinary arts center was planned. It first surfaced (at least to my knowledge) a couple of months ago in a Cruise Critic news article written by a writer who was invited to tour the almost-finished ship. Then some people booked on NS (not in suites) received offers to pay $50 per person per day for this and some of the other suite benefits. It also had a mention in Captain Albert’s Blog, and in a HAL press release. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/holland-america-line-debuts-new-club-orange-program-with-exclusive-benefits-and-premium-amenities-that-enhance-the-cruise-experience-300748469.html. A person currently on board in a suite said here that the Pinnacle Grill is no longer a breakfast option for Neptune and Pinnacle passengers. We’re in a NS Neptune Suite in April but have had no communication about these changes. Edited December 16, 2018 by Caribbean Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #183 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 10:36 PM, TiogaCruiser said: Maybe HAL will flip things and give Suites and Club Orange the MDR, and everyone else what is now CO. I agree about thoe s ridiculous c hairs. The place looks like Lido, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldengatecruisers Posted December 16, 2018 #184 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Thank you Caribbean Chris. I am sure, like most things, we will have to continue to rely on our fellow travelers to provide us with accurate information. It certainly seems to be a missed opportunity on the part of Holland America to make this an attractive suite benefit. They only have to look to Celebrity to learn a few pointers. It makes no sense at all to have a 'pay your way' approach to the Club Orange offering. It completely takes away from the suite experience. Strange that there is no official information on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #185 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 10:39 PM, dfish said: The only reason I would pay for a suite is for the space. The rest is window dressing. YOU are correct. They are doing all possible to get rid of fulll paying Neptune guests. Do they think through any of this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #186 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 1:11 PM, FlorenceItaly said: I suspect Club Orange will be short lived. Only time will tell. suckers Bet 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribbean Chris Posted December 16, 2018 #187 Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, goldengatecruisers said: Thank you Caribbean Chris. I am sure, like most things, we will have to continue to rely on our fellow travelers to provide us with accurate information. It certainly seems to be a missed opportunity on the part of Holland America to make this an attractive suite benefit. They only have to look to Celebrity to learn a few pointers. It makes no sense at all to have a 'pay your way' approach to the Club Orange offering. It completely takes away from the suite experience. Strange that there is no official information on the website. You are welcome, and I agree that it is a missed opportunity. Also agree about the $50 per day approach not making sense! I always have loved HAL for many reasons and continue to do so, but for the past four years since Celebrity introduced Luminae/Michael’s Club, my husband has enjoyed very much the luxury experience of being X suite guests (and by the way, we have always only booked the least expensive, entry level Sky Suites, not the higher end). So we compromise and sail on both lines most years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankc98376 Posted December 16, 2018 #188 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, sail7seas said: YOU are correct. They are doing all possible to get rid of fulll paying Neptune guests. Do they think through any of this? I 100% agree Sail. We also book only NS but are starting to think the same thing. Sadly after hitting 4 stars we are starting to look at other lines. We haven't hit final payment time yet on our 2019 cruises. One would think that instead of wondering why they are having to take a fraction of the money with up-sells for NS they would look at why people are more and more unwilling to pay full fare for a little more space and a coffee machine in NL. Other lines offer unlimited specialty dining and premium beverage packages to suite passengers (and seem to sell out early on many sailings). MSC Yacht Club Butlers meet each passenger at the curb at the terminal and walk them to their suite. Yes- their fares are higher but obviously since they sell out so often people will pay more if it is worth the money. Interesting that Koningsdam and NS have 10 less NS than the Amsterdam. Seem like they are trying to morph into a slightly upscale Carnival. It feels like someone at HAL decided that HAL needed to catch up to the competition suite offerings and was told OK but you can't spend any money to do it. As a result NS passengers got themselves the "Denny's at Sea" with tablecloths (only at dinner I from what I have seen). I started on HAL in the early 80's in my early 20's- getting sadder and sadder Edited December 16, 2018 by frankc98376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #189 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) On 10/26/2018 at 4:38 PM, OlsSalt said: Sounds too much like Code Orange: medical disaster, radioactive spill, bomb threat, violent mental patient loose. My late DH having been a Viet Nam combat veteran................. WERE I to d dine in that Club Orange Room, I \would think of AGENT Orange the whole meal. :eek: Indigestion Edited December 16, 2018 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbear Posted December 16, 2018 #190 Share Posted December 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Caribbean Chris said: You are welcome, and I agree that it is a missed opportunity. Also agree about the $50 per day approach not making sense! I always have loved HAL for many reasons and continue to do so, but for the past four years since Celebrity introduced Luminae/Michael’s Club, my husband has enjoyed very much the luxury experience of being X suite guests (and by the way, we have always only booked the least expensive, entry level Sky Suites, not the higher end). So we compromise and sail on both lines most years. We are trying Celebrity for the first time in March after being loyal to HAL. On Celebrity we’ve booked a suite and all the perks attached sound amazing, so much more than HAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeniEncinitas Posted December 16, 2018 #191 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, frankc98376 said: I 100% agree Sail. We also book only NS but are starting to think the same thing. Sadly after hitting 4 stars we are starting to look at other lines. We haven't hit final payment time yet on our 2019 cruises. One would think that instead of wondering why they are having to take a fraction of the money with up-sells for NS they would look at why people are more and more unwilling to pay full fare for a little more space and a coffee machine in NL. Other lines offer unlimited specialty dining and premium beverage packages to suite passengers (and seem to sell out early on many sailings). MSC Yacht Club Butlers meet each passenger at the curb at the terminal and walk them to their suite. Yes- their fares are higher but obviously since they sell out so often people will pay more if it is worth the money. Interesting that Koningsdam and NS have 10 less NS than the Amsterdam. Seem like they are trying to morph into a slightly upscale Carnival. It feels like someone at HAL decided that HAL needed to catch up to the competition suite offerings and was told OK but you can't spend any money to do it. As a result NS passengers got themselves the "Denny's at Sea" with tablecloths (only at dinner I from what I have seen). I started on HAL in the early 80's in my early 20's- getting sadder and sadder Sails is so correct!!!! So we have NS on the Rotterdam sailing San Diego to FLL Panama cruise!! It’s in 3/2020 but with this dam Club Orange NO Pinnacle breakfasts? We so love the quiet times at PG for breakfast!, The pics of CO are awful IMO and I feel I’m at a cafeteria style place! After we get off The Rotterdam will be going on Oceania in a PH concierge with all perks on a TA to the Med, and don’t feel guilty changing ships now! As a 4 star which took us awhile to attain now seems like we’re getting the shaft😒 HAL if your listening take heart to all of your loyal members! WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MADE YOU SUCCESSFUL. As a retired DDS what made me successful was my loyal patience’s! Denise😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjbean4 Posted December 16, 2018 #192 Share Posted December 16, 2018 In a recent conversation with our TA we were talking about this CO. They agree with all of us that are complaining for the same reasons. I mentioned that it could be a good idea to put in their two cents to HAL on behalf of all their loyal HAL clients like us and said that they have and our TA has a lot of clout with HAL. My mom and I are 5 Star Mariners and like others it took time and money to earn that recognition as we also have out 700 day platinum medallions in which we are over 800 days currently. Some of the CO amenities are things we already get for being 5 Star Mariners and we are not paying extra to get them. No that dining situation does not look comfortable and taking away PG part of it for breakfast is robbery. There are times when people get all the extras they get for being in higher level suite that those things should be just for them. That's why they pay extra to have them. Will be interesting to see what happens over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #193 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeeniEncinitas said: Sails is so correct!!!! So we have NS on the Rotterdam sailing San Diego to FLL Panama cruise!! It’s in 3/2020 but with this dam Club Orange NO Pinnacle breakfasts? We so love the quiet times at PG for breakfast!, The pics of CO are awful IMO and I feel I’m at a cafeteria style place! After we get off The Rotterdam will be going on Oceania in a PH concierge with all perks on a TA to the Med, and don’t feel guilty changing ships now! As a 4 star which took us awhile to attain now seems like we’re getting the shaft😒 HAL if your listening take heart to all of your loyal members! WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MADE YOU SUCCESSFUL. As a retired DDS what made me successful was my loyal patience’s! YOU so get it , Denise. They may be thinking we are yesterday's news but it is rather short sighted to not see that we who are retired, have always booked Neptunes, have funds and the time to continue to sail and live the way we have lived for ou r whole careers. Is our money no longer welcomed by HAL? If SO, no problem. Just come out and say so instead of 'getting rid of us" one cut back, one insult and one diminishment of the HAL Neptune S uite experience at a time. We'lll wave bye-bye and they will sail away without us. They have ADDED nothing of value to Suites for so long, I have no memory of when but I have a clear memory of a great many cutbacks and shaing of amenities we pay dearly for to some of those who do not stay in Neptunes. I am not going to be a fool and pay for things that offer me no value Free Mariner laun dry is the same as free Neptune laundry. I am supposed to advise , this week, if I am going to book a particular cruise A Neptune is being held for me, BUT ..... I don't quite feel like I am sure it is 'worth it' anymore. I will not give up Pinnacle breakfast to eat in "Agent Orange." I'll have to confirm about that. Edited December 16, 2018 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 16, 2018 #194 Share Posted December 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, sail7seas said: YOU so get it , Denise. They may be thinking we are yesterday's news but it is rather short sighted to not see that we who are retired, have always booked Neptunes, have funds and the time to continue to sail and live the way we have lived for ou r whole careers. Is our money no longer welcomed by HAL? If SO, no problem. Just come out and say so instead of 'getting rid of us" one cut back, one insult and one diminishment of the HAL Neptune S uite experience at a time. We'lll wave bye-bye and they will sail away without us. They have ADDED nothing of value to Suites for so long, I have no memory of when but I have a clear memory of a great many cutbacks and shaing of amenities we pay dearly for to some of those who do not stay in Neptunes. I am not going to be a fool and pay for things that offer me no value Free Mariner laun dry is the same as free Neptune laundry. I am supposed to advise , this week, if I am going to book a particular cruise A Neptune is being held for me, BUT ..... I don't quite feel like I am sure it is 'worth it' anymore. I will not give up Pinnacle breakfast to eat in "Agent Orange." I'll have to confirm about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeniEncinitas Posted December 16, 2018 #195 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Sails !!!!!! 🥰 LOVE IT! “AGENT ORANGE” LOL... Both my husband David and I both said the same thing👍👍 You know Sails I don’t understand for the life of me what HAL thinks. 🤦♀️ 💰 is the key get it, but taking away from dedicated mariners who have spent a lot over the years and hummmm..... “some giveth and some take away” HAL is taking all away. Happy Holidays to you my dear! only you can decide on your cruise. We have decided smaller ships are for us. Not HALs new ones for us! Denise:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted December 17, 2018 #196 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, DeeniEncinitas said: Sails is so correct!!!! So we have NS on the Rotterdam sailing San Diego to FLL Panama cruise!! It’s in 3/2020 but with this dam Club Orange NO Pinnacle breakfasts? We so love the quiet times at PG for breakfast!, The pics of CO are awful IMO and I feel I’m at a cafeteria style place! After we get off The Rotterdam will be going on Oceania in a PH concierge with all perks on a TA to the Med, and don’t feel guilty changing ships now! As a 4 star which took us awhile to attain now seems like we’re getting the shaft😒 HAL if your listening take heart to all of your loyal members! WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MADE YOU SUCCESSFUL. As a retired DDS what made me successful was my loyal patience’s! Denise😊 Bolding is mine. Denise, if this is your first O cruise, please don't think there are a lot of perks with the PH. they are few. And do book your specialty restaurants as soon as they become available on line. By all means, let HAL know how you feel about losing the PG for breakfast. I think and hope that if they hear from enough people that the PG will (and should) remain for Suite guests. The more that speak up, the more they will listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeniEncinitas Posted December 17, 2018 #197 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hi Jacqui!! yes this is our first O cruise! We booked our cruise from your wonderful blog you did several years ago when you were in a PH on her. With our booking we received free WiFi, beverage package which we will up grade to premium, laundry service, OBC $800.00, We will book specialty restaurants as soon as they open up. We got a credit also for not using the round trip airfare which was included. So maybe things were different when you sailed? Who knows we might not like O !! Will have to see. All I know I have always been a die hard to HAL and I’m sad what is going on. Will just have to see. Happy Holidays to you and José too! Denise😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted December 17, 2018 #198 Share Posted December 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, DeeniEncinitas said: Hi Jacqui!! yes this is our first O cruise! We booked our cruise from your wonderful blog you did several years ago when you were in a PH on her. With our booking we received free WiFi, beverage package which we will up grade to premium, laundry service, OBC $800.00, We will book specialty restaurants as soon as they open up. We got a credit also for not using the round trip airfare which was included. So maybe things were different when you sailed? Who knows we might not like O !! Will have to see. All I know I have always been a die hard to HAL and I’m sad what is going on. Will just have to see. Happy Holidays to you and José too! Denise😊 Hi Denise, those "perks" are included in the cruise fare and as far as I know have nothing to do with being in the PH. (For HAL cruisers who have not been on O, this is not the Pinnacle Suite on HAL - but closer to the Signature suite on HAL - much more nicely laid out though 😉 ) The PH beenies are being able to book speciallty dining early on line and having a butler (which is pretty meaningless in our case - other might find it beneficial but ours did nothing for us other than bring me hot water at night). The concierge lounge is rarely manned and not a lot of help. You end up going to the front desk or whereever for what you are trying to get done. Lots of people love O. We might have been on the wrong ship at the wrong time but for sure certain long time O cruisers cancelled all their future cruises. I really hope you have a great time on board. 😄 and enjoy the cruise 🙂 sorry to repeat. CC wasn't posting for me and didn't realize when I switched to my laptop that one had gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal65 Posted December 17, 2018 #199 Share Posted December 17, 2018 We’re in a NS suite on Zaandam for 1/8/19 sailing. Will there be breakfast in PG or will they move us elsewhere. The more sedate breakfast venue is one of the main reasons we book Neptune’s. I’ve been getting disappointed with HAL recently and this will likely push us away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted December 17, 2018 #200 Share Posted December 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, kazu said: Hi Denise, those "perks" are included in the cruise fare and as far as I know have nothing to do with being in the PH. (For HAL cruisers who have not been on O, this is not the Pinnacle Suite on HAL - but closer to the Signature suite on HAL - much more nicely laid out though 😉 ) The PH beenies are being able to book speciallty dining early on line and having a butler (which is pretty meaningless in our case - other might find it beneficial but ours did nothing for us other than bring me hot water at night). The concierge lounge is rarely manned and not a lot of help. You end up going to the front desk or whereever for what you are trying to get done. Lots of people love O. We might have been on the wrong ship at the wrong time but for sure certain long time O cruisers cancelled all their future cruises. I really hope you have a great time on board. 😄 and enjoy the cruise 🙂 sorry to repeat. CC wasn't posting for me and didn't realize when I switched to my laptop that one had gone. I had lovely amenities when I was in Penthouse Suite on NCL, Den. It as a big cabin and sdedeing I sailed solo with friends in their nearby suigte). I had a ton of room. I had concierge, inluded full free beverages. shipboard credit and butler (who, unlike on "X" was actually goo d helpful. I paid the "X" butler to go away and not bother us unless we called him. He was useless and annoying. I also had 'included automatic gratuities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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