daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #26 Share Posted April 18, 2019 It was never accepted by all even if you think it wad. It was never proved at all. it was speculation repeated over and over again as if that would make it true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #27 Share Posted April 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, daiB said: It was never accepted by all even if you think it wad. It was never proved at all. it was speculation repeated over and over again as if that would make it true. OK. You stick to your view. I’m not naive enough to think that anything could ever change your mind, on this or any other matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #28 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, docco said: OK. You stick to your view. I’m not naive enough to think that anything could ever change your mind, on this or any other matter. Well certainly, you, will not change my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Nomads Posted April 18, 2019 #29 Share Posted April 18, 2019 If the staff tip is reliant on customer feedback why have they stopped the feedback forms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #30 Share Posted April 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Cruising Nomads said: If the staff tip is reliant on customer feedback why have they stopped the feedback forms? Because the feedback system is now online. It's still possible, though, to complete the nomination forms for exceptional service - these can be had at reception. We nominated both the staff providing us with cabin service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Nomads Posted April 18, 2019 #31 Share Posted April 18, 2019 If they were relying on online feedback then the service reward system would be worse than just filling in the forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #32 Share Posted April 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cruising Nomads said: If they were relying on online feedback then the service reward system would be worse than just filling in the forms. Why? It shouldn't affect the percentage of negative/positive feedback reports - though I doubt they'll get anything like the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison quest Posted April 18, 2019 #33 Share Posted April 18, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 2:55 PM, majortom10 said: I thought P&O were still charging £7pppd at the moment automatically charged to your account . If so I wouldnt tip anyone anything unless they had gone well above expectations for a particular reason. Once they are removed across all the ships then I wouldnt tip any extra as it defeats the object of including them in the price. If everyone still tipped extra then butlers/stewards and waiters would become to expect it as the norm and are then getting tipped twice. totally agree, the tips are now included just enjoy your holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted April 18, 2019 #34 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, daiB said: It was never accepted by all even if you think it wad. It was never proved at all. it was speculation repeated over and over again as if that would make it true. Dai, I do have proof, an e-mail I received from one of Chris Edgingtons minions stated that the staff wages and rewards were not affected by passengers removing the auto tip, and also that all tips handed to staff by passengers were theirs to keep. I reported and quoted this at the time almost 2 years ago on a very active thread that you were involved with, from memory you did not respond to my post at that time, but it will still be around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #35 Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: Dai, I do have proof, an e-mail I received from one of Chris Edgingtons minions stated that the staff wages and rewards were not affected by passengers removing the auto tip, and also that all tips handed to staff by passengers were theirs to keep. I reported and quoted this at the time almost 2 years ago on a very active thread that you were involved with, from memory you did not respond to my post at that time, but it will still be around somewhere. Agree that the staff can keep any cash tip either instead of or as well as. As for the Auto tip that goes to the staff. That is what I have been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #36 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, daiB said: Agree that the staff can keep any cash tip either instead of or as well as. As for the Auto tip that goes to the staff. That is what I have been told. For heaven's sake, move on. This was all done and dusted a long time ago - accept that you've got it wrong and learn from what others tell you instead of carrying on digging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #37 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, docco said: For heaven's sake, move on. This was all done and dusted a long time ago - accept that you've got it wrong and learn from what others tell you instead of carrying on digging. No it was not done and dusted at all as many people did not believe what you are saying. But they did not want to take it up with you and one or two others. They have however contacted me separately. I find it incredibly rich that you of all people should tell me to move on when you yourself have gone on and on about certain topics. Just because you say it is so does not make it so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted April 18, 2019 #38 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, daiB said: No it was not done and dusted at all as many people did not believe what you are saying. But they did not want to take it up with you and one or two others. They have however contacted me separately. I find it incredibly rich that you of all people should tell me to move on when you yourself have gone on and on about certain topics. Just because you say it is so does not make it so. Kettle, pot, black?!!!🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #39 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, daiB said: No it was not done and dusted at all as many people did not believe what you are saying. But they did not want to take it up with you and one or two others. They have however contacted me separately. I find it incredibly rich that you of all people should tell me to move on when you yourself have gone on and on about certain topics. Just because you say it is so does not make it so. I'm just a tad surprised to hear that all those people have contacted you privately because they didn't want to express their views on the forum - still, it's an odd world, isn't it. As you so rightly say, "just because you say it is so does not make it so". That's why we have something called evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #40 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, docco said: I'm just a tad surprised to hear that all those people have contacted you privately because they didn't want to express their views on the forum - still, it's an odd world, isn't it. As you so rightly say, "just because you say it is so does not make it so". That's why we have something called evidence. It’s an odd world when they do not want to get into conversations with the likes of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 18, 2019 Author #41 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, daiB said: It’s an odd world when they do not want to get into conversations with the likes of you. LOL 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted April 18, 2019 #42 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, docco said: LOL 🤣 So showing your ridiculous side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltonian Posted April 18, 2019 #43 Share Posted April 18, 2019 The world is flat. I know that’s the case. Lots of people on this forum have written to me agreeing with me. As I look through my window, I can see two men in white coats. I guess they’re coming to say they agree with me. Just going to welcome them in. . . . . 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie11 Posted April 18, 2019 #44 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Haven’t we all missed the Tipping threads ... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted April 18, 2019 #45 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, eddie11 said: Haven’t we all missed the Tipping threads ... ? 😂 I was just thinking the same thing. Sadly, I predict that they will never end. Once the service charge is consigned to history there will be new threads alleging that cash tips given to staff have to be handed in as part of the master plan to boost P&O’s profits. Just wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted April 18, 2019 #46 Share Posted April 18, 2019 But from May 2019, Automatic daily gratuities are no longer, now included in cruise fare and non negotiable, right? So there should be no more tipping threads. Staff will be paid from the P&O coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1 Posted April 19, 2019 #47 Share Posted April 19, 2019 This is getting like the Princess board,I love it,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted April 19, 2019 #48 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 hours ago, NSWP said: But from May 2019, Automatic daily gratuities are no longer, now included in cruise fare and non negotiable, right? So there should be no more tipping threads. Staff will be paid from the P&O coffers. My point was that although gratuities will indeed be included in the fare, many of us will still choose to cash tip some staff for ‘over and above’ service. There is no requirement or expectation to do so, but some of us just will in the full knowledge that those staff are allowed to keep them. Meanwhile, the conspiracy theorists will start claiming that these additional cash tips have to be handed in to boost P&O’s coffers = tipping thread! I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but I have seen over many years how these forums operate and the amount of complete nonsense that can be portrayed as fact! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted April 19, 2019 #49 Share Posted April 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, brian1 said: This is getting like the Princess board,I love it,lol. Bring on the popcorn, Brian.🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted April 19, 2019 #50 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 hours ago, NSWP said: But from May 2019, Automatic daily gratuities are no longer, now included in cruise fare and non negotiable, right? So there should be no more tipping threads. Staff will be paid from the P&O coffers. There will still be tipping threads. There are on Marella forums and they have included the 'tips' in the fare for at least the 11 years I have been cruising. I typical question might go like this. "I know tips are included but how much do you tip the cabin steward etc etc" Answers include: tips are included in the fare so no need to tip I tip if the crew member has really enhanced my cruise experience Don't bow to peer pressure, no need to tip just because others do so Don't believe others when they say they tip large amounts, they may be boasting to boost their self esteem The crews already get an increased salary which is why they are happy and efficient The tipping culture is not American where the tips are expected to make up poor wages 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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