Atgatsea Posted February 10, 2020 #501 Share Posted February 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Masekr11 said: It’s not as simple as a revised itinerary though. Would you be happy paying extreme airfare changes without NCL guaranteeing they would reimburse you? Would you be happy with sailing on a ship that has allowed passengers from the hot zones on and possibly contaminating the ship? Keep in mind, it takes 14 days for the virus to present its self, meaning we wouldn’t know about contamination until around 2/20 when we would already be sailing. Would you be happy sailing out of a port that has more confirmed cases than the original port and in NCL’s words isn’t safe to travel to (based on their decision to cancel April sailings)? As a passenger scheduled on the 2/17 Jade, I appreciate your empathy and it certainly makes me feel better knowing independent people understand where we are coming from. I wish it was as simple of a changed port but unfortunately it’s not. And I feel like that’s a main problem with NCL. They seem to think that changing the embarkation port and implementing less than stellar health screenings is sufficient and don’t realize the downstream effects and risks that still exist. Let’s also not forget that all of those unfortunate passengers on the Diamond Princess were infected by someone on a previous cruise - not even the current cruise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mking8288 Posted February 10, 2020 #502 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just a little more, updated / latest news link - this is out of Singapore - for those interested, planning to be there, perhaps - still going on with their plans to sail the Jade on the 17th of February. Read for what it's worth, as reference/resource and for trending - it is not intended to trigger more "alarms" but informative purposes only. The Strait Times is very good, fair & useful for its news reporting (i.e. - used their info on Malaysia Flight MH-17 back in 2014 over at Flyertalk Forum) Singapore authorities has raised their "alert" level - 22 imported virus transmissions; and, 23 local transmissions. Details here - https://www.straitstimes.com/multimedia/graphics/2020/02/spore-virus-cases/index.html Temperature scanning in Singapore being expanded - this isn't necessary going to help, as some of you know. Visitors and tourists arriving, will no doubt, be expected to comply and follow. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-long-queues-formed-at-suntec-city-and-raffles-place-on-first-day-of Public transport in Singapore is very efficient, popular and reliable - taxis ride will now have surgical face masks, as an extra measure for riders/passengers and the drivers - more frequent cleaning are being done - goal is to assure the public, not to panic. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-300000-masks-for-taxi-and-private-hire-car-drivers-to-offer-to-passengers Speaking of the Diamond Princess passengers and crew in Japan, government health officials are now talking of their plans & difficulties in testing all 3,600 onboard for the virus. There is simply still many "unkown" about the virus - the mortality numbers outside of China is, still, very low. Let's just hope (a little praying won't "hurt") that all the cruise ships currently sailing in Asia can safely reach its next port stop, dock and disembark passengers and crews without incidents ... including the Westerdam, still floating at sea, somewhere in SE Asia waters. Traveling soon, safe - happy - healthy ones. Please do pack a little extra personal medications and OTC meds, just in case. Some of the World Dream cruisers on the 4 day short sailing only had 1 or 2 extra days of prescribed Rx with them, not wise at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamrag Posted February 10, 2020 #503 Share Posted February 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, Masekr11 said: It’s not as simple as a revised itinerary though. Would you be happy paying extreme airfare changes without NCL guaranteeing they would reimburse you? Would you be happy with sailing on a ship that has allowed passengers from the hot zones on and possibly contaminating the ship? Keep in mind, it takes 14 days for the virus to present its self, meaning we wouldn’t know about contamination until around 2/20 when we would already be sailing. Would you be happy sailing out of a port that has more confirmed cases than the original port and in NCL’s words isn’t safe to travel to (based on their decision to cancel April sailings)? As a passenger scheduled on the 2/17 Jade, I appreciate your empathy and it certainly makes me feel better knowing independent people understand where we are coming from. I wish it was as simple of a changed port but unfortunately it’s not. And I feel like that’s a main problem with NCL. They seem to think that changing the embarkation port and implementing less than stellar health screenings is sufficient and don’t realize the downstream effects and risks that still exist. Very well stated, highlighting why the NCL position is outrageous at various levels....so sorry for Jade passengers, both currently onboard, and those scheduled for the 17th. Keep believing they will, albeit belatedly, come to their senses and abort this cruise! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamrag Posted February 10, 2020 #504 Share Posted February 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, mking8288 said: Just a little more, updated / latest news link - this is out of Singapore - for those interested, planning to be there, perhaps - still going on with their plans to sail the Jade on the 17th of February. Read for what it's worth, as reference/resource and for trending - it is not intended to trigger more "alarms" but informative purposes only. The Strait Times is very good, fair & useful for its news reporting (i.e. - used their info on Malaysia Flight MH-17 back in 2014 over at Flyertalk Forum) Singapore authorities has raised their "alert" level - 22 imported virus transmissions; and, 23 local transmissions. Details here - https://www.straitstimes.com/multimedia/graphics/2020/02/spore-virus-cases/index.html Temperature scanning in Singapore being expanded - this isn't necessary going to help, as some of you know. Visitors and tourists arriving, will no doubt, be expected to comply and follow. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-long-queues-formed-at-suntec-city-and-raffles-place-on-first-day-of Public transport in Singapore is very efficient, popular and reliable - taxis ride will now have surgical face masks, as an extra measure for riders/passengers and the drivers - more frequent cleaning are being done - goal is to assure the public, not to panic. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-300000-masks-for-taxi-and-private-hire-car-drivers-to-offer-to-passengers Speaking of the Diamond Princess passengers and crew in Japan, government health officials are now talking of their plans & difficulties in testing all 3,600 onboard for the virus. There is simply still many "unkown" about the virus - the mortality numbers outside of China is, still, very low. Let's just hope (a little praying won't "hurt") that all the cruise ships currently sailing in Asia can safely reach its next port stop, dock and disembark passengers and crews without incidents ... including the Westerdam, still floating at sea, somewhere in SE Asia waters. Traveling soon, safe - happy - healthy ones. Please do pack a little extra personal medications and OTC meds, just in case. Some of the World Dream cruisers on the 4 day short sailing only had 1 or 2 extra days of prescribed Rx with them, not wise at all. And you are the one asking others not to post long details.....such irony....! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_sobe Posted February 10, 2020 #505 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Several pages back when this started I wrote that there were no cases of transmittal of the virus on a cruise ship. Correct me if I am wrong but the Princess ship under quarantine keeps getting more cases. Even with precautions it spreads very quickly on a cruise ship (like many illnesses). This really could be a disaster for cruising. The Royal ship looks like in good shape that disembarked in NJ. But someone please fill me in on the stupidity to pick up a bunch of Chinese people in the Caribbean just to take them to NJ that tied up emergency personnel taking them to hospitals and quarantine. Luckily things look ok. But am I missing something? RCCL now bans Chinese passports yet they made a special stop to pick up Chinese people just so they could scare everyone and take them to hospitals? There must be something I am missing because that was the stupidest thing ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjmols Posted February 10, 2020 #506 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Atgatsea said: Let’s also not forget that all of those unfortunate passengers on the Diamond Princess were infected by someone on a previous cruise - not even the current cruise. They were on the current cruise they just disembarked in HK and did not do the full itinerary. It hasn't been made clear if HK was a disembarktion port or if just he had to disembark as he was unwell. Does anybody know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare luv2kroooz Posted February 10, 2020 #507 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, david_sobe said: Correct me if I am wrong but the Princess ship under quarantine keeps getting more cases. No, you are straight away correct. They've been under a quarantine for four or five days now. The challenge right now is to know if the quarantine is working which can't be known. It has been reported that symptoms can appear up to 14 days after being infected. So, in theory, people being diagnosed today may have been infected prior to the start of the quarantine. Plus, the last I had heard, they had only tested 300 or so passengers, so maybe 10% of the passenger population and an even lesser percentage when you include the crew population. I have a lot of admiration for the guy that is doing the Facebook feed. He is so calm about everything. Edited February 10, 2020 by blcruising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCopp Posted February 10, 2020 #508 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Norwegian Cruise Lies does have a Facebook page. Everyone feel free to leave reviews of how they are treating us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoniMommy Posted February 10, 2020 #509 Share Posted February 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, JCopp said: Norwegian Cruise Lies does have a Facebook page. Everyone feel free to leave reviews of how they are treating us! Excellent idea. Flood with posts. At the very least other passengers will be warned and may take their business elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCopp Posted February 10, 2020 #510 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, MoniMommy said: Excellent idea. Flood with posts. At the very least other passengers will be warned and may take their business Let's stop hoping Singapore gets worse or going over our insurance policies and go after the company that doesnt want to take care of its customers! Tell the truth, tell everyone who will listen about Norwegian Cruise Lies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilBenz Posted February 10, 2020 #511 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) I just received an email from NCL: "Bonjour Philip, Please contact your travel advisor in regards to cancelling your reservation. Merci" However, our "travel advisor" still has no new information. 10% refund + 25% credit on a future cruise just doesn't cut it. I'll keep you posted on developments. Edited February 10, 2020 by PhilBenz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masekr11 Posted February 10, 2020 #512 Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, JCopp said: Let's stop hoping Singapore gets worse or going over our insurance policies and go after the company that doesnt want to take care of its customers! Tell the truth, tell everyone who will listen about Norwegian Cruise Lies! Yes! I also recommend people contact the media. NCL will only change their stance if they are forced to. All news outlets have secure/anonymous tip hotlines. Maybe some media pressure will force NCL to revisit their ridiculous and unsafe position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epgjon Posted February 10, 2020 #513 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Masekr11 said: Yes! I also recommend people contact the media. NCL will only change their stance if they are forced to. All news outlets have secure/anonymous tip hotlines. Maybe some media pressure will force NCL to revisit their ridiculous and unsafe position just received email from NCL. Update #4. nothing new though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevi65 Posted February 10, 2020 #514 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, LAnn said: Hi Maeskr11, I get it. It's a horrible situation, and NCL's non-existent customer service is outrageous. They should absolutely have given everyone the option of at least a future cruise credit from the moment this virus became an issue. They absolutely should have. We were shut down instantly a couple of weeks ago - we stressed that we didn't want a refund . If upcoming cruise ( fingers crossed) is cancelled, and we are then given a choice, I Can tell you now we won't be choosing the credit . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry Eyes Posted February 10, 2020 #515 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, david_sobe said: Several pages back when this started I wrote that there were no cases of transmittal of the virus on a cruise ship. Correct me if I am wrong but the Princess ship under quarantine keeps getting more cases. Even with precautions it spreads very quickly on a cruise ship (like many illnesses). This really could be a disaster for cruising. The Royal ship looks like in good shape that disembarked in NJ. But someone please fill me in on the stupidity to pick up a bunch of Chinese people in the Caribbean just to take them to NJ that tied up emergency personnel taking them to hospitals and quarantine. Luckily things look ok. But am I missing something? RCCL now bans Chinese passports yet they made a special stop to pick up Chinese people just so they could scare everyone and take them to hospitals? There must be something I am missing because that was the stupidest thing ever. Regarding the new cases on Diamond Princess, the incubation period is reportedly up to 14 days. Once symptoms develop, testing would ensue, which would take some time. So, the cases reported today may have been exposed to the virus a sinus long as 14-16 days ago (I believe that was before passengers were confined to their cabins). With such a long incubation period, it takes a long time to know if the quarantine procedures have worked to stop the spread of the disease or not. Admittedly, I have my doubts that it will work well enough. While passengers are isolated from one another, I suspect crew are still in close proximity to one another (both working and in crew quarters), so though crew may be trying very, very hard not to spread the virus, I suspect it may be difficult to achieve zero spread in close crew conditions. I hope the crew can pull it off, but it cannot be easy. As to Anthem of the Seas, I thought the Chinese nationals were passengers who embarked in NJ with the rest of the guests and they happened to develop influenza during the voyage (it is flu season). Do you have a reliable source that says to the contrary they embarked ill in the Caribbean? That seems unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimone Posted February 10, 2020 #516 Share Posted February 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Starry Eyes said: Regarding the new cases on Diamond Princess, the incubation period is reportedly up to 14 days. Once symptoms develop, testing would ensue, which would take some time. So, the cases reported today may have been exposed to the virus a sinus long as 14-16 days ago (I believe that was before passengers were confined to their cabins). With such a long incubation period, it takes a long time to know if the quarantine procedures have worked to stop the spread of the disease or not. Admittedly, I have my doubts that it will work well enough. While passengers are isolated from one another, I suspect crew are still in close proximity to one another (both working and in crew quarters), so though crew may be trying very, very hard not to spread the virus, I suspect it may be difficult to achieve zero spread in close crew conditions. I hope the crew can pull it off, but it cannot be easy. As to Anthem of the Seas, I thought the Chinese nationals were passengers who embarked in NJ with the rest of the guests and they happened to develop influenza during the voyage (it is flu season). Do you have a reliable source that says to the contrary they embarked ill in the Caribbean? That seems unlikely. In the U.K. today, a professor claimed there have been cases of up to 24 days? Before any Illness show’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry Eyes Posted February 10, 2020 #517 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Trimone said: In the U.K. today, a professor claimed there have been cases of up to 24 days? Before any Illness show’s If so, it may take even longer to know if the isolation procedures are working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry Eyes Posted February 10, 2020 #518 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, blcruising said: Plus, the last I had heard, they had only tested 300 or so passengers, so maybe 10% of the passenger population and an even lesser percentage when you include the crew population. One would not expect them to test people without signs or symptoms, especially if they can screen for fever easily, ask about symptoms, then test. If you were aboard, felt perfectly well, had a normal body temperature, would you want to be repeatedly poked, prodded, and tested, on top of everything else you’d be enduring? Some might; many wouldn’t. Testing asymptotic people is invasive, cumbersome, and may result in false positive results. The test will actually have a better positive predictive value if applied to a carefully selected set of passengers than to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliciaandMark Posted February 10, 2020 #519 Share Posted February 10, 2020 It seems as though each time there is a media update about the escalating situation (eg doubling of confirmed cases on Diamond Princess, Cunard diverting their ship from Singapore to Australia) NCL respond by sending out their same duplicated communication script telling us nothing new?! I’m not sure what they are trying to achieve through this strategy? I’m legitimately confused by their approach?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jskeel Posted February 10, 2020 #520 Share Posted February 10, 2020 So are you going or staying home? This is the worst roller coaster ride I have ever been on! My travel starts on Thursday and I haven't packed a thing. This is the most untenable situation that NCL has put us in! We should not be forced to make this choice and I can't figure out what to do. How are others handling it? Keep in mind, I have 44 hours of air travel (round trip) to make this trip that may or may not sail or stop anywhere ... sigh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliciaandMark Posted February 10, 2020 #521 Share Posted February 10, 2020 We are on the 27th Feb sailing so leave Australia on 22 Feb to head to Singapore. Still watching at this stage and will make our decision at last minute. Last year I was booked in the Mediterranean cruise with NCL that was cancelled 48 hours prior to sailing (I was already in Europe when they cancelled!). I would hate to travel again all the way to Singapore and have the same thing happen to me. Such a hard decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARandomTraveler Posted February 10, 2020 #522 Share Posted February 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, jskeel said: So are you going or staying home? This is the worst roller coaster ride I have ever been on! My travel starts on Thursday and I haven't packed a thing. This is the most untenable situation that NCL has put us in! We should not be forced to make this choice and I can't figure out what to do. How are others handling it? Keep in mind, I have 44 hours of air travel (round trip) to make this trip that may or may not sail or stop anywhere ... sigh. That’s a cruddy situation to be in, sorry 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted February 10, 2020 #523 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Starry Eyes said: One would not expect them to test people without signs or symptoms, especially if they can screen for fever easily, ask about symptoms, then test. If you were aboard, felt perfectly well, had a normal body temperature, would you want to be repeatedly poked, prodded, and tested, on top of everything else you’d be enduring? Some might; many wouldn’t. Testing asymptotic people is invasive, cumbersome, and may result in false positive results. The test will actually have a better positive predictive value if applied to a carefully selected set of passengers than to all. I wouldn't mind being tested if I did not have any symptoms in case I was a carrier, who didn't show symptoms, because I wouldn't want to infect others. Edited February 10, 2020 by NLH Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_sobe Posted February 10, 2020 #524 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Starry Eyes said: Regarding the new cases on Diamond Princess, the incubation period is reportedly up to 14 days. Once symptoms develop, testing would ensue, which would take some time. So, the cases reported today may have been exposed to the virus a sinus long as 14-16 days ago (I believe that was before passengers were confined to their cabins). With such a long incubation period, it takes a long time to know if the quarantine procedures have worked to stop the spread of the disease or not. Admittedly, I have my doubts that it will work well enough. While passengers are isolated from one another, I suspect crew are still in close proximity to one another (both working and in crew quarters), so though crew may be trying very, very hard not to spread the virus, I suspect it may be difficult to achieve zero spread in close crew conditions. I hope the crew can pull it off, but it cannot be easy. As to Anthem of the Seas, I thought the Chinese nationals were passengers who embarked in NJ with the rest of the guests and they happened to develop influenza during the voyage (it is flu season). Do you have a reliable source that says to the contrary they embarked ill in the Caribbean? That seems unlikely. No, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said they embarked ill. They were picked up in the Caribbean and disembarked in NJ and saw on TV there were ambulances taking them away to hospitals. They may all be ok. But is it not a crazy policy to ban Chinese passport holders yet transport them to NJ and then tie up first responders by taking them to the hospital or quarantine. That was my point. Was hoping someone was going to chime in with a rational reason for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 10, 2020 #525 Share Posted February 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Atgatsea said: Let’s also not forget that all of those unfortunate passengers on the Diamond Princess were infected by someone on a previous cruise - not even the current cruise. It is actually the current cruise where the person with the virus embarked. He disembarked early because either he felt unwell or had only purchased a smaller sector tour. The people who were in the initial screening batch of 260 were those current cruisers who were known to have had direct contact with him on the ship or on a Princess Bus trip they took together. The rest of the passengers were about to disembark in Yokohama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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