chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2020 #26 Share Posted April 3, 2020 19 hours ago, Essiesmom said: Fantasy class are about 10000 tons larger than the current hospital ships. Well, here's the problem. Yes, the hospital ships, being on the small end of the Aframax tankers, have a GT of about 62,000, while Fantasy class have a GT of 70,000. But, all of that 62,000 GT volume is in the water, meaning it can be used to lift a lot more weight. A San Clemente tanker like the Comfort could load 89,000 tons of cargo (or hospital beds, cabins, and equipment), which is more than the Fantasy class ships weigh in total. So, you can put a whole lot more hospital, including a large superstructure, if wanted, than you could possibly take out of a cruise ship and replace with a hospital. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2020 #27 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said: Tanker as a hospital ship???? Uuummmm. Also confused by the black eye comment Both the Mercy and the Comfort started life as San Clemente class tankers. They sailed for 11 years carrying Alaskan crude oil from Valdez, before being converted to hospital ships (they were not double hulled, so would become illegal in a few years, and the steam power plant was too inefficient). Each of the 18 cargo tanks (and the original tank bulkheads were retained in the hospital ships) has a completely open volume of 5000 cubic meters, allowing for virtually anything you want to be fabricated and dropped into the tank, with just the main deck removed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 3, 2020 #28 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, chengkp75 said: Both the Mercy and the Comfort started life as San Clemente class tankers. They sailed for 11 years carrying Alaskan crude oil from Valdez, before being converted to hospital ships (they were not double hulled, so would become illegal in a few years, and the steam power plant was too inefficient). Each of the 18 cargo tanks (and the original tank bulkheads were retained in the hospital ships) has a completely open volume of 5000 cubic meters, allowing for virtually anything you want to be fabricated and dropped into the tank, with just the main deck removed. Are they the only two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolloman Posted April 3, 2020 Author #29 Share Posted April 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Are they the only two? Yes...the US Navy only has these two hospital ships. I have to feel this is one reason the President stated he wanted two more added to the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2020 #30 Share Posted April 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, rolloman said: Yes...the US Navy only has these two hospital ships. I have to feel this is one reason the President stated he wanted two more added to the fleet. I'm sure that if two new ones are built, these two will go to the scrapyard, they are 44 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DryCreek Posted April 4, 2020 #31 Share Posted April 4, 2020 52 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: I'm sure that if two new ones are built, these two will go to the scrapyard, they are 44 years old. Or, more likely to the ghost fleet anchored-up in the James River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 4, 2020 #32 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, DryCreek said: Or, more likely to the ghost fleet anchored-up in the James River. That or Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organized Chaos Posted April 4, 2020 #33 Share Posted April 4, 2020 11 hours ago, jperry2011 said: Highly doubtful the government would buy cruise ships. They may pay a premium to lease them long term though. Agreed. Cruise ships would require a major overhaul to convert them into what they'd need, and even though the govt. is notorious for wasting money, I don't see them going that route. If anything, they could possibly take Arison up on his offer to use them as temporary hospitals, but it'd only be short term for this situation. If that were to happen, the govt. would compensate Carnival handsomely, so Arison & Co. would be rewarded with more than just good feelings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DryCreek Posted April 4, 2020 #34 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, chengkp75 said: That or Beaumont. Beaumont would be cool! When I was stationed in Norfolk, and later worked for NNS&DDCo, we would take our boats out and "visit" the ghost fleet in the James, on our way up to Scotland Wharf. There is a lot of work that goes into pickling a ship for long-term storage. I read tons about it, and strangely enough, I think I remember there being at least a whole chapter on that in the MM 2&3 manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip1 Posted April 4, 2020 #35 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 8:39 PM, Organized Chaos said: Did anyone else catch that Colleen McDaniel, Editor-in-Chief of Cruise Critic, wrote that the Sunshine was formerly the Carnival Conquest? 😬 "Carnival Radiance will be the third ship Carnival has completely revamped -- and renamed -- joining Carnival Sunshine (formerly Carnival Conquest) and Carnival Sunrise (Carnival Triumph)." I noticed it the day the news story was posted. Under the story there was a feedback link which I clicked on and left a message that the story was wrong about the Carnival Sunshine having previously been the Carnival Conquest when it is the former Carnival Destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted April 4, 2020 #36 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Could they be reducing their fleet? I don't believe any option is off the table for anyone, anywhere at this point. But to permanently reduce a ship to become a hospital boat? Not very likely. That would require a lot of effort and a lot of resources to build something that frankly, isn't realistic at the moment, and won't be needed long-term. Taking ships that aren't in use now, and assisting the government is a smart business move. It is good PR and extra incentive to receive some sort of funding from the government. I think it is pretty obvious that any future refurbs/enhancements would be put on hold, where possible. This isn't the time to spend hundreds of millions in upgrades. It's probably also going to impact future ship orders to some degree. Now if someone made a solid enough offer for lets say, a Fantasy class, I'm sure they would consider. I doubt anyone is looking to pay top dollar for an old cruise ship at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 4, 2020 #37 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Joebucks said: Could they be reducing their fleet? I don't believe any option is off the table for anyone, anywhere at this point. But to permanently reduce a ship to become a hospital boat? Not very likely. That would require a lot of effort and a lot of resources to build something that frankly, isn't realistic at the moment, and won't be needed long-term. Taking ships that aren't in use now, and assisting the government is a smart business move. It is good PR and extra incentive to receive some sort of funding from the government. I think it is pretty obvious that any future refurbs/enhancements would be put on hold, where possible. This isn't the time to spend hundreds of millions in upgrades. It's probably also going to impact future ship orders to some degree. Now if someone made a solid enough offer for lets say, a Fantasy class, I'm sure they would consider. I doubt anyone is looking to pay top dollar for an old cruise ship at this time. The Fantasy has been floated on the market for a good while now, with no takers. More than a mothballing of some of the fleet, I think they would cold store some if demand slowed and also think restoring sailing will be staged for logistical purposes as well as port openings as a considered factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgreeney Posted April 4, 2020 #38 Share Posted April 4, 2020 FEMA leased a Carnival ship to house federal aid workers after hurricane Maria. They paid $74.7 million. After Katrina, FEMA leased 3 Carnival ships for 4 months at $13 million per month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggyzx9r Posted April 4, 2020 #39 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Well it wouldn’t be the first time a cruise ship was converted to a hospital ship. She was ready after a three day refit. Admittedly the demand and requirements might differ but it is possible. SS Uganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 4, 2020 #40 Share Posted April 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Foggyzx9r said: Well it wouldn’t be the first time a cruise ship was converted to a hospital ship. She was ready after a three day refit. Admittedly the demand and requirements might differ but it is possible. SS Uganda And I can guarantee that the three day refit was expedited by the UK armed services already having the equipment necessary stored in a warehouse somewhere, and pre-planning of the conversion, most likely at time of build, by the UK military for potential future use. Another example of this was the QE2, which had pre-made custom crates for her chandeliers and other fittings, and pre-cut plywood to cover the carpeting, all stored against possible use as a troopship, which did come to pass in the Falklands as well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggyzx9r Posted April 4, 2020 #41 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: And I can guarantee that the three day refit was expedited by the UK armed services already having the equipment necessary stored in a warehouse somewhere, and pre-planning of the conversion, most likely at time of build, by the UK military for potential future use. Another example of this was the QE2, which had pre-made custom crates for her chandeliers and other fittings, and pre-cut plywood to cover the carpeting, all stored against possible use as a troopship, which did come to pass in the Falklands as well. Your perfectly correct. The UK forces had experienced a greater degree of preparation and investment at that period of time. Still ll a remarkable feat though. Edited April 4, 2020 by Foggyzx9r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quattrohead Posted April 4, 2020 #42 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Ship Built Price Date listed Celebrity Millennium 2000 $280,000,000 Feb 2020 Celebrity Summit 2001 $300,000,000 Feb 2020 Celebrity Constellation 2002 $300,000,000 Feb 2020 RCCL Majesty of the Seas 1992 $100,000,000 Mar 2020 RCCL Grandeur of the Seas 1996 $100,000,000 Feb 2020 RCCL Rhapsody of the Seas 1997 POA Mar 2020 RCCL Radiance of the Seas 2001 POA Mar 2020 RCCL Brilliance of the Seas 2002 POA Mar 2020 Carnival Ecstasy 1991 $100,000,000 Feb 2020 Carnival Inspiration 1996 $200,000,000 Feb 2020 Carnival Triumph/Sunrise 1999 $350,000,000 Feb 2020 Pullmantur Horizon 1990 $65,000,000 Feb 2020 Pullmantur Monarch 1991 $95,000,000 Feb 2020 Sun Princess 1995 $170,000,000 Mar 2020 SuperStar Gemini 1992 $70,000,000 Jan 2020 SuperStar Aquarius 1993 $130,000,000 Feb 2020 Holland America Maasdam 1993 $120,000,000 Mar 2020 Holland America Veendam 1996 $140,000,000 Jan 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quattrohead Posted April 4, 2020 #43 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Here is a shopping list, which one shall we buy to run for CruiseCritic lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7786W Flyer Posted April 4, 2020 #44 Share Posted April 4, 2020 22 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Well, here's the problem. Yes, the hospital ships, being on the small end of the Aframax tankers, have a GT of about 62,000, while Fantasy class have a GT of 70,000. But, all of that 62,000 GT volume is in the water, meaning it can be used to lift a lot more weight. A San Clemente tanker like the Comfort could load 89,000 tons of cargo (or hospital beds, cabins, and equipment), which is more than the Fantasy class ships weigh in total. So, you can put a whole lot more hospital, including a large superstructure, if wanted, than you could possibly take out of a cruise ship and replace with a hospital. Looks like MSC is giving the hospital conversion a shot on their ferry Splendid. The attached article doesn't mention if they're utilizing the car deck and, thus far, sounds like the conversion is minimal at this point with the new 'hospital' offering only 25 beds. https://www.msccruisesusa.com/en-us/About-MSC/News/GNV-Floating-Hospital.aspx?utm_source=CRM&utm_medium=email&utm_content=OS_WEEKLY_1_A&utm_campaign=NEWSLETTER0404&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT1RSaE9USXlNRFk1TXpsbSIsInQiOiIwM2lYdjZlbUF4aXZ0ZmU3YmVVQW1Rc0doeGVvSjFyVGViMDZKbUpHYlRqcGhPZDRVUG13cDZhcHlETmFrbWtiR0FaQVd2ZkttejcrTnl5WTh5emNkMk1XTW5PQlhHWnhSSWZsTnR1NnhGT1JcL0krZHN1SHJ5a21CQ2NTNGF1eWMifQ%3D%3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7786W Flyer Posted April 5, 2020 #45 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It also looks like the Queen Mary is being considered for conversion to a hospital ship/building. Garnett https://www.foxnews.com/us/queen-mary-hospital-ship-coronavirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 5, 2020 #46 Share Posted April 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, N7786W Flyer said: It also looks like the Queen Mary is being considered for conversion to a hospital ship/building. Garnett https://www.foxnews.com/us/queen-mary-hospital-ship-coronavirus Not sure how updated her systems are, but I would think this is the worst possible scenario of converting a cruise ship/ocean liner to a hospital ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editor Colleen Posted April 6, 2020 #47 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 12:45 AM, Chip1 said: I noticed it the day the news story was posted. Under the story there was a feedback link which I clicked on and left a message that the story was wrong about the Carnival Sunshine having previously been the Carnival Conquest when it is the former Carnival Destiny. Thanks everyone for catching this! I really appreciate it. I think my fingers might have worked faster than my brain on that one. It's been fixed. Thanks for reading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusinpsychRN Posted April 10, 2020 #48 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 2:13 PM, quattrohead said: Here is a shopping list, which one shall we buy to run for CruiseCritic lol Love this idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quattrohead Posted April 10, 2020 #49 Share Posted April 10, 2020 It would have the best critical passenger input in the world lol I had a good look through all the cruise ships for sale and really like some of the 80's offerings for classic style cruising for the discerning customer. There are some bargains that have just been put up for sale so fully ready to continue working as soon as able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DryCreek Posted April 11, 2020 #50 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I've been thinking - while a lot of people think that the smaller Fantasy Class ships may be sold off at bargain basement process, I think that maybe they may be the first ones Carnival thinks about leading the return to cruising with. Start out small to assess the demand, and then slowly start filling the larger ships as the smaller ones sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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