CNBC: Carnival to restart Cruises in phases August 1st

[txagcol1]

7 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

It really isn't up to CDC or the USCG. A political appointee could end the no sail order with a simple declaration.

actually, it is.  Then again, what do I know, I only have a masters in public administration, worked as a Senate aide and in legislative affairs office for the SecDef's office when I was in the military.

[firefly333]

30 minutes ago, txagcol1 said:

Bottom line is no sailings until there is a vaccine.

Again this is your opinion, not a fact. Everyone is entitled to express opinions. The problem is some cross the line and state opinions as if they are facts. Our news community has moved to that direction so maybe younger folks cant tell facts from opinions.

 

Dont become a stock trader. You cant be risk adverse and do some things I've done. Everyone has a different tolerance for risk.

 

As I said above if my october cruise is cancelled I'll move it, no harm done.

 

Btw I just read this virus is the type with high mutate probability which means like the flu a vaccine is highly unlikely to be 100% effective. Already the strain in calif which came from Asia shows difference from the virus that hit nyc which came from Europe, and is expected to continue to mutate. If you are that risk adverse, you will be locked at home forever. 

[coevan]

I would not start packing, this is not close to over

[txagcol1]

4 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Again this is your opinion, not a fact. Everyone is entitled to express opinions. The problem is some cross the line and state opinions as if they are facts. Our news community has moved to that direction so maybe younger folks cant tell facts from opinions.

 

Dont become a stock trader. You cant be risk adverse and do some things I've done. Everyone has a different tolerance for risk.

 

As I said above if my october cruise is cancelled I'll move it, no harm done.

 

Btw I just read this virus is the type with high mutate probability which means like the flu a vaccine is highly unlikely to be 100% effective. Already the strain in calif which came from Asia shows difference from the virus that hit nyc which came from Europe, and is expected to continue to mutate. If you are that risk adverse, you will be locked at home forever. 

No, it is not an opinion.  It comes from years working in the government.  Whether a cruise ship sails or not is up to the federal government.  I am sorry if the facts don't align to your wishes, but it is a fact.  There are multiple government agencies in play when it comes to ports.  Each of them can shut down a ship from sailing.  Fact, there is no vaccine until January.  Fact, there is no current effective treatment that has passed clinical trials and has been peer reviewed among the medical community.  Fact, there has yet to be one state that has seen a declined in cases over fourteen days.  Fact, the no sail order has been extended twice.  Fact, none of the conditions which affected the cruise ships earlier has changed.  Until those facts are addressed, you aren't sailing, period.  Also, it isn't about being risked adversed.  I already had the illness.  It is about consideration for others and doing your part for the community.  It isn't about your needs and your own desires.  

Edited May 5, 2020 by txagcol1

[firefly333]

22 minutes ago, txagcol1 said:

actually, it is.  Then again, what do I know, I only have a masters in public administration, worked as a Senate aide and in legislative affairs office for the SecDef's office when I was in the military.

Well I can remember the coast guard saying no to those ships coming into florida, and trump overrode their order. Never say never is my motto in life. I'm just watching things unfold.

 

Dallas has high import from calif and turned Democrat and voted to extend stay at home to mid mid, along came the governor who said open on may 1st. Sometimes orders seem set in stone, under someone changes them.

 

I'm just waiting and watching.

[txagcol1]

2 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Well I can remember the coast guard saying no to those ships coming into florida, and trump overrode their order. Never say never is my motto in life. I'm just watching things unfold.

 

Dallas has high import from calif and turned Democrat and voted to extend stay at home to mid mid, along came the governor who said open on may 1st. Sometimes orders seem set in stone, under someone changes them.

 

I'm just waiting and watching.

Tell you what, I will bet a bottle of johnny walker blue with you that you won't sail in October.  Your just doing wishful thinking.  So is Carnival.  

[mouche]

Not sure I would be packing or would even want to go so soon, the whole Covid-19 situation is far from over. I know how you feel, I almost booked an unbelievable casino deal a month back for August, but now I wonder, what I was thinking, it's too soon for me. Also, I may be wrong, but my gut tells me they may not sail in August either. Just my opinion though.

[BlerkOne]

19 minutes ago, txagcol1 said:

... Then again, what do I know, I only have a masters in public administration, worked as a Senate aide and in legislative affairs office for the SecDef's office when I was in the military.

 

There is no telling.... 🙃

 

The CDC "order" as published in the Federal Register:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/04/15/2020-07930/no-sail-order-and-suspension-of-further-embarkation-notice-of-modification-and-extension-and-other

 

"This Order shall continue in operation until the earliest of (1) the expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services' declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency; (2) the CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations; or (3) 100 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register. "

 

The 100 days is the default should neither condition 1 or 2 come first.

 

The Secretary of Health and Human Services (a cabinet position) is a Trump appointee, and yes, a simple declaration would end the no sail "order".

[firefly333]

Just now, txagcol1 said:

No, it is not an opinion.  It comes from years working in the government. 

I worked in govt too and my dad retired from govt big deal.

 

Show me where it says no cruises until a vaccine which is the statement I quoted. 

 

Is it possible this might be true of course, it's also true might sail before imo.

 

Unless you have a link says no cruises until a vaccine...then it's not a fact. It's not in writing that I'm aware of. If it's in writing please give a link. Not just say you worked in govt so therefore if you say no sailing before a vaccine it's true. 

[firefly333]

2 minutes ago, txagcol1 said:

Tell you what, I will bet a bottle of johnny walker blue with you that you won't sail in October.  Your just doing wishful thinking.  So is Carnival.  

Ah see you changed the terms. The issue was would there be sailings before a vaccine. Idk about October, but that wasnt what you were arguing. Good switch, ha

[firefly333]

My suitcase is already out from my rcl cruise I was returning from Sunday. I bought books mostly ha. Printed my set sail pass and parking ... nope. Just havent put it away, it's not in my way. 

 

Doesnt matter when we sail again, I'll be ready lol. 

[glrounds]

So many of these posts remind me of a Neal deGrasse Tyson's adage:

 

"to know enough about the subject to think you're right, but not enough to know about that subject to know you're wrong"

[BlerkOne]

On 5/4/2020 at 2:39 PM, seaman11 said:

this seems late to me, but i think they got money from the govt and so they can now afford to put it off till august or later. 

 

You know they didn't.

[AmBear]

50 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

My suitcase is already out from my rcl cruise I was returning from Sunday. I bought books mostly ha. Printed my set sail pass and parking ... nope. Just havent put it away, it's not in my way. 

 

Doesnt matter when we sail again, I'll be ready lol. 

This was a deal made between the feds, the state, the cruise line, and the country's where those cruisers came from!

Anyone could have nixed it!

Those people were led off the ship onto waiting buses paid for by Carnival Corp,

taken directly to the airport to fly on chartered planes paid for by their governments!

Americans were told to self quarantine for 14 days!

Without these agreements, those people weren't docking in Florida!

To many sick and dying here already!

BTW, yesterday was Florida's record high for deaths from this virus!

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, txagcol1 said:

The no sail order from the CDC which is currently under effect.

Ask the cruise line whether it is of hem\l-. How did the cdc do with the original order?  Have they changed the new order?  Did they ask for untenable amount of mitigation to short term the order (they will amend again anywayso why bother trying to meet it)?  What kind of job did they do to assist in getting the crews on these ships home?   How about the job they did getting all seafarer crew home?  How about the job in predicting death tolls?  40,000 to 2.2 mill is quite a spread that is one they you.d be most proud of.  Any other smart remarks?

Edited May 5, 2020 by jimbo5544

[slidergirl]

22 hours ago, rolloman said:

This does nothing to back up the statement you made about locals upset with out of town visitors. I was at the beach this weekend and I absolutely saw nothing of what you describe. 

Overflowing trash cans at the beach, baby diapers left unwrapped, tons of beer bottles (as you know currently illegal on the beach), parking on lawns along Atlantic.  The trash pickup volunteers hadn't had to pick so much stuff in months.  And, one of the first thing that comes out of a local's mouth is either "Tourists" or "Orlando.  Complaining about the out of state license plates.  More trash than usual along the 520...

 

[slidergirl]

3 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I'm willing to go without one. Cruises booked oct on carnival and jan and b2b on rcl next april.

 

If it gets cancelled in october I'll move it to fall 2021, nothing lost.

 

Imo people are going to learn to live with the virus. No vaccine is 100% effective, it's not the end all be all some say. They never found a vaccine for HIV but life went on, with more careful sex, now life in the future will be more social distancing and maybe masks on cruises. 

 

History will tell us who is right, no one knows right now, even if you say something as if it's a fact, it's still your opinion. I personally dont think ccl will wait for a vaccine to start up. 

HIV isn't just about sex.  It was also transmitted in blood transfusions, sharing needles, getting blood from an infected person into an open cut...  And, while there is no vaccine, there ARE highly effective treatment available now, with some taking the viral loads down to undetectable.   COVID-19 has a much easier time transmitting.  And it comes on fast and furious.  At that point, you get to "roll the dice" without any treatment to see you are asymptomatic, mildly sick, very sick for a week to over a month, needing hospitalization, or dying.    My little town thought we had it in control after having one big outbreak, thanks to someone bringing COVID with them on a ski trip back the end of April/beginning of March.  2 weeks ago, 3 hotspots cropped up; all of us living with a 2 mile radius of any of those apartment complexes were asked to go in for testing and to self-quarantine for 2 weeks (tests only say what your status the day you take the test).   It just keeps coming and coming.

 

As I have no control over the social and hygiene habits of the thousand+ people on a ship that I would be on for 7+days, I have no intention of cruising until EITHER a properly-vetted vaccine OR properly-vetted EFFECTIVE TREATMENT is available.  No Emergency Use Waiver, no promotion of a deadly "treatment" by an idiot ("inject that disinfectant"), just a proper testing and vetting.  That is just me.  If someone wants to go a cruise during a pandemic for which there is no treatment, that is their free will.  

 

Me?  I shop local.  I don't go to Walmart or Home Depot (the only big boxes we have).  I hit the grocery store as fast as I can, wearing my mask and staying out of the way of others.  I'm probably not going to get to go to the Andrea Bocelli concert that I ponied up $360 for back in January that is in June in Los Angeles.  I'll just live with knowing that I can go to that concert again sometime and listening to Bocelli on my iPod with my excellent headphones.  Maybe I'll dress up in what I was going to wear on the night of the concert, close my eyes, and listen to him while sitting outside - as close as I'd get to the Hollywood Bowl.

[beerman2]

5 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I'm willing to go without one. Cruises booked oct on carnival and jan and b2b on rcl next april.

 

If it gets cancelled in october I'll move it to fall 2021, nothing lost.

 

Imo people are going to learn to live with the virus. No vaccine is 100% effective, it's not the end all be all some say. They never found a vaccine for HIV but life went on, with more careful sex, now life in the future will be more social distancing and maybe masks on cruises. 

 

History will tell us who is right, no one knows right now, even if you say something as if it's a fact, it's still your opinion. I personally dont think ccl will wait for a vaccine to start up. 

Do you really think "Social Distancing " and "wearing masks" is feasible on a cruise. You have people now that don't do either. 

 

It's not happening on a ship with the mentality of some people that I paid big money I'm going to do what I want.

[jimbo5544]

2 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

Do you really think "Social Distancing " and "wearing masks" is feasible on a cruise. You have people now that don't do either. 

 

It's not happening on a ship with the mentality of some people that I paid big money I'm going to do what I want.

The real question is how those interactions will be when the ships sail what those things will be at that time.  Obviously, we do not know those things now, that is why there are different takes, some want to wait until we hear the all clear to move ahead, some are waiting for a green light and some would move today if they could.  There is not (despite the posts of some where) a right answer.   

[beerman2]

1 minute ago, jimbo5544 said:

The real question is how those interactions will be when the ships sail what those things will be at that time.  Obviously, we do not know those things now, that is why there are different takes, some want to wait until we hear the all clear to move ahead, some are waiting for a green light and some would move today if they could.  There is not (despite the posts of some where) a right answer.   

Another thing barely mentioned will the cruise lines be able to purchase enough supplies?

 

Will you see a very limited menu? Some stores in our town are now limiting the amount of meat purchased. Seems meat is becoming scarcer.

 

The reality is the logistics of  the cruiselines getting all their ducks in a row is a gigantic task. Definitely not the likes of anything seen before, so no textbook on the "how" is it going to work.

[firefly333]

6 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

The real question is how those interactions will be when the ships sail what those things will be at that time.  Obviously, we do not know those things now, that is why there are different takes, some want to wait until we hear the all clear to move ahead, some are waiting for a green light and some would move today if they could.  There is not (despite the posts of some where) a right answer.   

Exactly, look how much changed in the last 3 months. No one here can predict where things will be in 3 more months, though seems to be a lot of know it alls. 

 

Dont cruise if you dont want to, stay home, but thinking you run ccl and have all the answers ... no one knows what the future is.

[jeremyosborne81]

Get 'em, Firefly.

I love you.

 

41 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Dont cruise if you dont want to, stay home, but thinking you run ccl and have all the answers ... no one knows what the future is.

 

[coevan]

1 hour ago, beerman2 said:

Do you really think "Social Distancing " and "wearing masks" is feasible on a cruise. You have people now that don't do either. 

 

It's not happening on a ship with the mentality of some people that I paid big money I'm going to do what I want.

 

 

I agree, there is no way you can social distance on a cruise. There is no way I would wear a mask on a cruise, really weird tan line. 😀

[48traveler]

50 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Exactly, look how much changed in the last 3 months. No one here can predict where things will be in 3 more months, though seems to be a lot of know it alls. 

 

Dont cruise if you dont want to, stay home, but thinking you run ccl and have all the answers ... no one knows what the future is.

Good advice firefly    Hi from Taylor Tx  I used to see a lot of your posts some years back and then I got kicked off CC , then quit cruising for a while , now have one scheduled  Always enjoy your posts

[firefly333]

1 hour ago, 48traveler said:

Good advice firefly    Hi from Taylor Tx  I used to see a lot of your posts some years back and then I got kicked off CC , then quit cruising for a while , now have one scheduled  Always enjoy your posts

Lol sounds like we have a lot in common, tee hee.