Misleading marketing

[Capitan Obvious]

44 minutes ago, Trimone said:

Reel them in I have a Bite? 
Read #2... good grief!

 

Read #2? No thanks, that poster lost credibility when they tried to talk about "reseeding".

 

Like we're dealing with a lawn care situation or something! 🙄

 

People don't know the difference between reseeding and receding. Is it any wonder they have such difficulties in reading and understanding advertising?

 

 

But, but, but it CLEARLY says "per"!!

[drsel]

Please give me an example of any 7 day Carnival sailing that you can get for 420 including port fees and taxes, and Cheers.  Since you state that Carnival has "plenty of such deals", then it should not be too =difficult for you to rattle off a list for me. 

An inside cabin on Carnival sensation to Mexico from Mobile on 14th November 2020 and 6th Feb 2021. still available right now.   

 

 

I paid $403.56 per person for a 9 night Cruise on Carnival splendor in April 2021, including all port fees and taxes.

 

Similar pricing on Carnival Spirit also.

 

but I have no problem if you choose to pay more for Norwegian.

I love both Carnival and Norwegian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[drsel]

I would have loved to book Norwegian Jade on 27th Feb 2020 from Singapore to Dubai.

it was available at only $33 per person per night.

But unfortunately I had other cruises already booked in Feb 2020.

if you wait for last minute price drops, you can get similar deals, even from Norwegian

[SNJCruisers]

18 hours ago, drsel said:

I would advise you to look out for a price per night below $60 including all the offers and including port fees and taxes.
Carnival has plenty of such deals.
And its in the same league as Norwegian.

 

41 minutes ago, drsel said:

An inside cabin on Carnival sensation to Mexico from Mobile on 14th November 2020 and 6th Feb 2021. still available right now.  

I paid $403.56 per person for a 9 night Cruise on Carnival splendor in April 2021, including all port fees and taxes.

 

Similar pricing on Carnival Spirit also.

but I have no problem if you choose to pay more for Norwegian.

I love both Carnival and Norwegian

First of all, the Sensation is not sailing anywhere on November 14th of 2020.  Secondly, the cheapest Sensation sailing is in early January at 239 pp plus port of 83, so it's 322 for a 5 day sailing or 64.50 per night.  It's close to the below 60 that you mentioned in the above quote, but you inaccurately wanted to include all the offers to your 60 per night, which is impossible to do.  If you wish to make a fair comparison, it must be Carnival versus the sail away rate on NCL, which as you know contains no perks.  Also, you need to compare somewhat similar ships if you're comparing lines.  Carnival once again has no bundling like NCL does.  All lines have last minute deals to fill cabins, but don't go blowing smoke that you can get a 60 per night cabin with all of the offers, unless those offers are basically a bare bones inside cabin on the bottom deck with no extra perks.

[drsel]

I never said that $60 per person per night included any offers or perks.

 

It is just the basic cruise price including port fees and taxes.

 

my Carnival Spirit and Splendor Cruises both cost below $52 per person per night for the basic Cruise, including port fees and taxes

 

 

[drsel]

I've also mentioned earlier than the sail away rate is the best deal on Norwegian, if it's available.

[Budget Queen]

12 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

 

First of all, the Sensation is not sailing anywhere on November 14th of 2020.  Secondly, the cheapest Sensation sailing is in early January at 239 pp plus port of 83, so it's 322 for a 5 day sailing or 64.50 per night.  It's close to the below 60 that you mentioned in the above quote, but you inaccurately wanted to include all the offers to your 60 per night, which is impossible to do.  If you wish to make a fair comparison, it must be Carnival versus the sail away rate on NCL, which as you know contains no perks.  Also, you need to compare somewhat similar ships if you're comparing lines.  Carnival once again has no bundling like NCL does.  All lines have last minute deals to fill cabins, but don't go blowing smoke that you can get a 60 per night cabin with all of the offers, unless those offers are basically a bare bones inside cabin on the bottom deck with no extra perks.

I do not want any perks,  so the cruises I purchase ARE certainly a different product than full inclusion bookings.      The only comparison is,  I'm on the same ship.   🙂  

 

However,  it is a notation of how much cheaper you "can" sail,  if of interest?    Yes I do travel frequently with no restrictions.,  but I've also run into people,  who had to stretch their financial limits.   and/or have to wait and "save up" for a costly cruise.         

 

Just different options,  that people may not know about.      But,  correct,  they are not the same.   

[drsel]

I agree with budget queen.
you should never have to save up for a cruise or stretch your finances.

Some people may have to do that, by paying the all inclusive, high prices.

[dexddd]

On 9/25/2020 at 8:05 AM, ziggyuk said:

 

I do cut them slack for missing the "up to" but they clearly also say "All guests receive $200 ODC", that is what sparked my interest, I can accept a typo or a missed word but adding an untrue sentence is worse than misleading.

I was joking.  They actually got themselves caught up in their own terms.  Heck, NCL are pros at charging for so many 'free' things.

[All-ready2cruise]

24 minutes ago, drsel said:

I agree with budget queen.
you should never have to save up for a cruise or stretch your finances.

Some people may have to do that, by paying the all inclusive, high prices.

I agree with BQ as well, however, the way it's phrased (was going to spell that would frased just to bother some) is different. Telling others what they "should and shouldn't" do is a no-no when it comes to finances IMO.

 

We all decide what's important to us.  

 

I do save for my cruises.

[drsel]

Actually I meant that some cruises are really very affordable, if you know how to look out for the best deals and bargains. (Not trying to tell people how to spend their money)

You can read the intelligent cruiser.

 

 

 

 

[farmersfight]

3 hours ago, All-ready2cruise said:

phrased (was going to spell that would frased just to bother some)

 

That wouldn't have bothered me but spelling word "would" does bother me.

Lol, just teasing...

[SNJCruisers]

17 hours ago, drsel said:

I never said that $60 per person per night included any offers or perks.

Go back to post 29 where  I quoted your post that specifically said that the 60 per night would include all of the offers.   We both know that it's impossible.   If you want to compare bare bones rates on NCL, you need to use the sail away rate versus any rock bottom rates available through Carnival or MSC.

[drsel]

Go back to post 29 where  I quoted your post that specifically said that the 60 per night would include all of the offers.   We both know that it's impossible.   If you want to compare bare bones rates on NCL, you need to use the sail away rate versus any rock bottom rates available through Carnival or MSC.

You misunderstood.

 

I meant after including the discount offers and OBC by the cruiseline, the prices are below USD 60 person per night. 

 

Like MSC 5+5=10% discount and $50-100 OBC per person for Voyager club members.

 

Like MSC 50% discount for healthcare workers for all Cruises from now until 31 March 2021

 

Like MSC 30% discount for healthcare workers for all Cruises in April and May 2021

 

Like Carnivals OBC gift of USD 300/600 or AUD 450/900 for transferring the payment from a cancelled Cruise to a future Cruise

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bgcruising]

I must be really cynical.... never fell for one of these type ads

[drsel]

I must be really cynical.... never fell for one of these type ads

I just love them. I'm a bargain hunter.

[All-ready2cruise]

4 hours ago, farmersfight said:

 

That wouldn't have bothered me but spelling word "would" does bother me.

Lol, just teasing...

Well, IMO, if something bothers you that much, you'd likely be further ahead just ignoring them.  Just kidding... LOL. 

[Capitan Obvious]

46 minutes ago, All-ready2cruise said:

Well, IMO, if something bothers you that much, you'd likely be further ahead just ignoring them.  Just kidding... LOL. 

 

That is really good advice.

 

Now what we need to do is to find the person who said earlier that they wanted to intentionally misspell words to bother other people and make sure they get your advice.

[Budget Queen]

10 hours ago, All-ready2cruise said:

 

 

I do save for my cruises.

I don't know what that is.  😉   But-  My point was more toward the resentment of having to sacrifice heavily  in order to pay for the cruise,  that I hear people complain about,  unfortunate- with a perfect cruise expectation.     

[SNJCruisers]

4 hours ago, drsel said:

You misunderstood.

 

I meant after including the discount offers and OBC by the cruiseline, the prices are below USD 60 person per night. 

 

Like MSC 5+5=10% discount and $50-100 OBC per person for Voyager club members.

 

Like MSC 50% discount for healthcare workers for all Cruises from now until 31 March 2021

 

Like MSC 30% discount for healthcare workers for all Cruises in April and May 2021

 

Like Carnivals OBC gift of USD 300/600 or AUD 450/900 for transferring the payment from a cancelled Cruise to a future Cruise

You must have been a lawyer in a previous life because of all of the spin doctoring you're  doing.  Even if you add in Carnival's 300 pp OBC, that will not cover Cheers,  specialty dining and wifi, which would be equivalent to all of the offers. And when I asked for specifics previously, you never mentioned the OBC from previously cancelled Carnival cruises or reduced discounts on MSC, both because of the pandemic.

[drsel]

You must have been a lawyer in a previous life because of all of the spin doctoring you're  doing.  Even if you add in Carnival's 300 pp OBC, that will not cover Cheers,  specialty dining and wifi, which would be equivalent to all of the offers. And when I asked for specifics previously, you never mentioned the OBC from previously cancelled Carnival cruises or reduced discounts on MSC, both because of the pandemic.

300 OBC ?  

I myself received 900 AUD OBC for a cancelled cruise +100 AUD (Carnival gift) + 50 USD (TA gift) as OBC for the future Cruise. 

 

 

So I received a total of 1000 AUD OBC plus 50 USD OBC, which nearly covers the cost of the future Cruise of USD 807 for 2 adults.

 

Even MSCs 50% discount is unbeatable, unmatched by any other cruise line.

 

So, after including all the 'DISCOUNT' offers and OBC by the cruiseline, the prices are well below USD 60 person per night. 

 

Previously, I did not realise that you misunderstood me completely when you thought the offers I was referring to you were not DISCOUNT offers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SNJCruisers]

Most of the discounts you're mentioning all involve getting back money because of cancelled cruises because of the Pandemic.  A year from now, there are zero cruises that you'll be able to get for 60 a night including all of the offers 

[ziggyuk]

For those who think this type of misleading advertising is acceptable, the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) in the UK do not agree and have upheld my complaint and written to NCL in the UK.

 

We think the ad was likely to have broken the Advertising Codes. We have written to the advertiser, explained your concerns and given guidance to them on the areas that require attention, together with advice on how to ensure that their advertising complies with the Codes.

[Capitan Obvious]

33 minutes ago, ziggyuk said:

For those who think this type of misleading advertising is acceptable, the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) in the UK do not agree and have upheld my complaint and written to NCL in the UK.

 

We think the ad was likely to have broken the Advertising Codes. We have written to the advertiser, explained your concerns and given guidance to them on the areas that require attention, together with advice on how to ensure that their advertising complies with the Codes.

 

Much like with the advertising copy, it appears that the words are open to interpretation. Something some want to label as "misleading".

 

They said "We think the ad was likely to have broken the Advertising Codes." They did NOT say "The ad broke the Advertising Codes." Those are very different statements. "we think" and "likely" are hedges against making a declaritive statement of fact, and hedges can be misleading.

 

If the ad is actually a violation, just say so. It isn't the same when you leave all sort of outs by inserting "we think"s and "likely"s into the mix.

 

Did they cite them for a violation, or just provide them with some "advice"??

[ziggyuk]

42 minutes ago, Capitan Obvious said:

 

Much like with the advertising copy, it appears that the words are open to interpretation. Something some want to label as "misleading".

 

They said "We think the ad was likely to have broken the Advertising Codes." They did NOT say "The ad broke the Advertising Codes." Those are very different statements. "we think" and "likely" are hedges against making a declaritive statement of fact, and hedges can be misleading.

 

If the ad is actually a violation, just say so. It isn't the same when you leave all sort of outs by inserting "we think"s and "likely"s into the mix.

 

Did they cite them for a violation, or just provide them with some "advice"??

 

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