Do you think Carnival will move its homeport?

[silversneakers]

On 4/18/2021 at 9:18 PM, Moviela said:

The chance of Carnival porting anywhere near the USA is a non-starter. There is no supply chain in the Caribbean to service the large passenger ships. Available provisions and transportation is too thin support much more than a top off of the marshalling area of the ships. Mardi Gras would have no place to get LNG to fuel it. 

 

You need to put pressure on your lawmakers to get this resolved. The pot is about to boil over, and no member of Congress wants to offend any significant number of voters. Many lawmakers have had it over the moustache with the malarkey from the chief waffler Fauci, and the sooner he goes, the faster we can get back to normal. 

Could it have anything to do with the fact the most major cruise lines are not registered in the US? Since taxes are a hot topic these days, maybe incentivizing cruise lines to register in the US, pay an enormous amount of taxes and be required to pay US wages to their employees.......just saying

[pc_load_letter]

2 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I heard a study saying there is more spread of covid at home than the workplace. The work place can put in filters and has other safety features that the home doesnt have.

 

Who knows who sponsored the study, but it's actually not surprising if you follow the numbers. The lock down worked for about a week then after that did not help. You can bet they will be studying numbers from last year for years to come. We havent heard the last. Of course businesses want employees back to work. Who sponsored is a big question, notmjust study results.

 

Yup, and experts (brave enough to take a stand against irrational thought)  indicated that lockdowns where some of the worst policies we implemented.

 

Interview With Dr. Monica Gandhi: ‘Arbitrariness of Shutting Down Completely’ Is Disturbing to P | KHSU

 

The illogical California lockdown orders (sfchronicle.com)

[toad16X]

When exactly is this NEW WAVE begining? I noted after the Texas Rangers Baseball Game, and the Alabama Spring Game with 40,000++, there were reports of some huge wave of infections coming.

[Illbcruzn4life]

3 hours ago, silversneakers said:

Could it have anything to do with the fact the most major cruise lines are not registered in the US? Since taxes are a hot topic these days, maybe incentivizing cruise lines to register in the US, pay an enormous amount of taxes and be required to pay US wages to their employees.......just saying

 

Cruise lines can't register their ships to U.S. flags if they wanted to.

[chengkp75]

47 minutes ago, Illbcruzn4life said:

 

Cruise lines can't register their ships to U.S. flags if they wanted to.

Sure they could.  Common misconception here on CC.  They just would not be eligible for PVSA itineraries (no foreign ports).  There are many US flag ships that are built overseas, they just cannot be eligible for Jones Act trade either.

[Moviela]

7 hours ago, silversneakers said:

Could it have anything to do with the fact the most major cruise lines are not registered in the US? Since taxes are a hot topic these days, maybe incentivizing cruise lines to register in the US, pay an enormous amount of taxes and be required to pay US wages to their employees.......just saying

Cruise ships fly flags of convenience for tax purposes, and employment reasons to be sure, but the cruise industry contributes vast sums to the US economy. Carnival Corp alone paid about $71 million in taxes for 2019, and all the US based workers, travel agents, purveyors, and fuel suppliers also kicked into the federal kitty. Carnival is a registered Panama company, and Disney is a USA registered, but they cannot put an American flag on their ships because US law requires the ship to be built it a US shipyard to sail internationally. There is no yard in the USA currently building cruise ships. There is currently one cruise ship that sports Old Glory that sails between the islands in Hawai'i. That ship was was started at a yard in Mississippi, but was moved to Germany to be finished.  

[Knights on the Beach]

On 4/25/2021 at 2:35 PM, ledges1 said:

Using my airline credit to fly to Key West. I have a second credit that will probably expire before the cruise industry sails again. It will not go to waste. There is more to life than a cruise.

 

I hope you already have your hotel booked - prices have gone crazy in Key West this year.  We're going for 9 nights in early June and there's no way we'd pay what the current rates are. It seems like everyone in the country is heading to Key West this year.

[Illbcruzn4life]

9 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Sure they could.  Common misconception here on CC.  They just would not be eligible for PVSA itineraries (no foreign ports).  There are many US flag ships that are built overseas, they just cannot be eligible for Jones Act trade either.

 

Oops thanks for the correction ...again!  I think I posted the same thing before and you corrected me then too but my feeble brain forgot! Time for the old folks home.😁

[Castaway Cowgirl]

I don’t know if they will, but they are crazy if they don’t .

[chengkp75]

11 hours ago, Moviela said:

Carnival is a registered Panama company, and Disney is a USA registered, but they cannot put an American flag on their ships because US law requires the ship to be built it a US shipyard to sail internationally.

This combines a common misconception about US flag vessels that is found here on CC, and an incorrect statement regarding the PVSA.  And, I will repeat it, since you missed it above.

 

First, a ship may be flagged US without being built in the US.  There are many out there, sailing the world today.  AP Moeller Group, one of the largest shipping companies in the world, and a Danish corporation, has a US subsidiary that manages 20 US flag container ships, all of which were not only built overseas, but sailed under foreign flag for years prior to reflagging in the US.  To be a US flag ship only requires that the ship be US owned, and US crewed.  These ships can trade between US ports and any country in the world.  They cannot, however, carry cargo or passengers between two US ports.

 

Now, there are a couple of laws that requires some US flag ships to be built in the US.  These are the Jones Act, and the PVSA.  However, ships that meet these requirements are entitled to domestic trade, in addition to international trade, meaning that they can carry cargo or passengers between two US ports.

 

So, I could take any Carnival, Royal Caribbean, or NCL ship, move it to a US owned subsidiary, crew it with US citizens, meet the stringent USCG regulations, and continue to sail every itinerary those ships sailed prior to the pandemic completely legally, since all of those voyages are "international" or "foreign" voyages.

 

12 hours ago, Moviela said:

Carnival Corp alone paid about $71 million in taxes for 2019, and all the US based workers, travel agents, purveyors, and fuel suppliers also kicked into the federal kitty.

And, by CLIA's own admission in their economic impact reports, the vast majority of that tax money is for local property tax on their buildings, and Social Security tax on their US employees.  Carnival, nor any cruise lines, pay any state or federal tax on revenue earned by the ships.

[ontheweb]

56 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

This combines a common misconception about US flag vessels that is found here on CC, and an incorrect statement regarding the PVSA.  And, I will repeat it, since you missed it abo

 

And, by CLIA's own admission in their economic impact reports, the vast majority of that tax money is for local property tax on their buildings, and Social Security tax on their US employees.  Carnival, nor any cruise lines, pay any state or federal tax on revenue earned by the ships.

WOW! That seems hardly fair. They (at least pre-pandemic) were making large profits sailing primarily with US citizens from US ports.

[chengkp75]

5 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

WOW! That seems hardly fair. They (at least pre-pandemic) were making large profits sailing primarily with US citizens from US ports.

Section 883 of the IRS Code exempts foreign owned ships and airplanes from paying tax on revenue earned in the US, provided the flag state of the ship/plane affords the same to US flag ships/planes.  All other foreign owned corporations have to pay tax on the portion of their revenue earned in the US.

[ontheweb]

Just now, chengkp75 said:

Section 883 of the IRS Code exempts foreign owned ships and airplanes from paying tax on revenue earned in the US, provided the flag state of the ship/plane affords the same to US flag ships/planes.  All other foreign owned corporations have to pay tax on the portion of their revenue earned in the US.

And are there any US flag ships earning revenue in those other countries and being exempted from taxes? If not, the part of the law at least for ships could be changed by Congress and the President without any loss to US flagged ship.

[lobster1313]

24 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Section 883 of the IRS Code exempts foreign owned ships and airplanes from paying tax on revenue earned in the US, provided the flag state of the ship/plane affords the same to US flag ships/planes.  All other foreign owned corporations have to pay tax on the portion of their revenue earned in the US.

Fees aren't revenue so the Feds could increase the fees they already receive and add other fees such as a head tax. 

[chengkp75]

17 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Fees aren't revenue so the Feds could increase the fees they already receive and add other fees such as a head tax. 

And, under the class action settlement regarding port taxes and fees, the cruise lines can pass those directly to the passenger, so again, the line pays nothing.

[lobster1313]

2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

And, under the class action settlement regarding port taxes and fees, the cruise lines can pass those directly to the passenger, so again, the line pays nothing.

No different than any other industry.