Merged:Outbreak on QM2 as it pulls into New York?

[mcloaked]

1 minute ago, exlondoner said:

 

You don't really think she could be exaggerating, do you? I'm shocked, shocked. 

 

Just straightforward factual reporting!  Of course the crew escorting positive passengers are simply doing their job whilst taking precautions as best they can that they don't get infected doing the transfer.  Very sensible of the management to do things that way, even if it is horrifying for the affected passengers. But exaggeration is not the same as sensationalism!

[PORT ROYAL]

2 minutes ago, exlondoner said:

 

You don't really think she was taken at gunpoint, do you? That is kind of what hit squad implies.

Not at gunpoint.  But have seen a Cunard “Hit Squad” in full action, with the removal of drunken “pest” from the vicinity of a couple of young frightened women, when the “pest” declined to go back to his stateroom peacefully.

[Host Hattie]

8 minutes ago, PORT ROYAL said:

Think Claire was expecting to be treated better, by being escorted with compassion, rather than being allegedly “Frogmarched by a hit squad”.  Just one’s opinion.

Hopefully it was just the shock of the test result but the emotive language isn't helping, is her complaint that the staff are wearing PPE ? Again I wonder what she expected ...

[PORT ROYAL]

11 minutes ago, Host Hattie said:

Hopefully it was just the shock of the test result but the emotive language isn't helping, is her complaint that the staff are wearing PPE ? Again I wonder what she expected ...

From Claire’s post. one deduced it was the methods used, not the apparel worn.

In thinking deeper, the actions taken could have been because Claire may have seriously declined a polite Cunard invitation to comply with a request (order) from the Captain.  Then that would make sense.

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[Victoria2]

8 minutes ago, Host Hattie said:

Hopefully it was just the shock of the test result but the emotive language isn't helping, is her complaint that the staff are wearing PPE ? Again I wonder what she expected ...

Emotive language including the word 'filthy' with regards to her quarantine cabin. Small cabin, maybe but filthy? I find that difficult to believe

 

 

[mcloaked]

3 minutes ago, PORT ROYAL said:

From Claire’s post. one deduced it was the methods used, not the apparel worn.

In thinking deeper, the actions taken could have been because Claire may have seriously declined a polite Cunard invitation to comply with a request (order) from the Captain.  Then that would make sense.

 

It is often the case that key bits of information are left out of a journalist's report - and that may well be the case here too.

[exlondoner]

23 minutes ago, mcloaked said:

 

. But exaggeration is not the same as sensationalism!

 

Not always, but neither is it accuracy.

[exlondoner]

23 minutes ago, PORT ROYAL said:

Not at gunpoint.  But have seen a Cunard “Hit Squad” in full action, with the removal of drunken “pest” from the vicinity of a couple of young frightened women, when the “pest” declined to go back to his stateroom peacefully.

 

But presumably the journalist would not have resisted in the manner of a drunken person. One hopes.

[PORT ROYAL]

2 minutes ago, kohl1957 said:

Odd.... the most shocking thing about that photo to me was the absolutely appalling carpet pattern. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?  Please tell me it stops at the cabin door.  If so, maybe I will self isolate for 28 days.  

Interesting.
Two photographs, two different locations, with a complainant about the filthy condition of a single stateroom.

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[LewiLewi]

6 minutes ago, kohl1957 said:

Odd.... the most shocking thing about that photo to me was the absolutely appalling carpet pattern. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?  Please tell me it stops at the cabin door.  If so, maybe I will self isolate for 28 days.  

I don’t see anything humorous about this situation.

[Patria21]

For what it’s worth, while Claire Thorborn was once a journalist, she hasn’t been since 2006 when she went to Impact, a public relations firm she created. That doesn’t mean she’s lying or even exaggerating; I have no way of knowing. But I do know that working at her own PR firm allows her greater freedom to use social media - and frees her from the strictest accuracy restraints - compared to the standards I would have been held to at my newspaper. And yes: there are good PR people and bad journalists, that’s not the point. The point is that referring to journalism standards or lack thereof won’t get you anywhere in evaluating her post. 

[Victoria2]

1 hour ago, kohl1957 said:

I think the notion that Cunard or anyone, any entity can "eliminate Covid" in any setting is... frankly absurd.  It cannot be done. There's probably more Covid floating around in your local Tesco than QM2 this very moment. And frankly given the "symptoms" (or not in many many cases), it's like eliminating the common cold. In more senses than one it appears. 

 

I have had Norwalk virus on CANBERRA, BLACK PRINCE and CARONIA... trust me, the effects of this are never "asymptomatic"!  You don't need a "test" to tell you are sick. And there's no real way to get rid of it... it runs its course in people and ships. And yes can be easily avoided with meticulous individual precautions.  People used to laugh at us for bringing and using hand sanitizer wipes aboard ship... now they ask, "where did you get those."

 

We all strive to be "safe" and never have harm done to us. But in this or anything else, good luck with that. You do, they do, the best we and they can and life goes on. It really does.  If you want to go out and live it. 

I agree but let's face it,  frogmarched out of Tesco doesn't have quite the same impact as frogmarched on a cruise ship.

 

I was a cruise ship sanitizer wipes laugher, who laughed at those passengers sanitizing cabins  as an extra precaution.

I might not go as far as sanitizing my cabin but my hands might come in for a spot of personal 70% alcohol attention. 

Probably better my hands than in a glass of something very strong. 🙂

I might just pack some next year.

[Dermotsgirl]

1 hour ago, mcloaked said:

 

Are journalists not there to sensationalise every piece they write? That is their modus operandum!

She’s not there for work, she’s on her delayed honeymoon 

[Dermotsgirl]

1 hour ago, Host Hattie said:

She was happy a few days ago but seriously what did she expect .... ?

 

 

 

To be fair, she probably didn’t expert to be escorted through the ship by people in hazmat suits and put in an isolation cabin. If any of us knew that would be our fate, would we excitedly embrace the experience? 

[Host Hattie]

4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

To be fair, she probably didn’t expert to be escorted through the ship by people in hazmat suits and put in an isolation cabin. If any of us knew that would be our fate, would we excitedly embrace the experience? 

But it was certainly a known risk of cruising during a pandemic.

After nearly 2 years of this she should have expected this was a possibility.

[Dermotsgirl]

1 hour ago, PORT ROYAL said:

From Claire’s post. one deduced it was the methods used, not the apparel worn.

In thinking deeper, the actions taken could have been because Claire may have seriously declined a polite Cunard invitation to comply with a request (order) from the Captain.  Then that would make sense.

I’ve seen other peoples accounts of being moved to their isolation cabins -  the common theme is crew members in hazmat suits escorting them, spraying as they go. This lady’s account is consistent with other stories - perhaps that’s the way things are done. 

[Dermotsgirl]

41 minutes ago, PORT ROYAL said:

Interesting.
Two photographs, two different locations, with a complainant about the filthy condition of a single stateroom.

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It was a video. What has been shown is two screenshots. The full video showed them coming out of the lift, across the landing,, a heavy door was opened then they went through to the cabin corridor. It’s not two different locations  

[exlondoner]

1 minute ago, Dermotsgirl said:

I’ve seen other peoples accounts of being moved to their isolation cabins -  the common theme is crew members in hazmat suits escorting them, spraying as they go. This lady’s account is consistent with other stories - perhaps that’s the way things are done. 

 

It may well be, which makes it less than terrifying or humiliating, but certainly a rotten thing to happen on one's honeymoon.

[Dermotsgirl]

4 minutes ago, Host Hattie said:

But it was certainly a known risk of cruising during a pandemic.

After nearly 2 years of this she should have expected this was a possibility.

As I said else where on this forum, my friends on this cruise didn’t have a clue that this could happen. They thought they were going into a Covid free bubble 

[comcox]

I wonder why a passenger could not isolate in their own cabin?

[exlondoner]

10 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

As I said else where on this forum, my friends on this cruise didn’t have a clue that this could happen. They thought they were going into a Covid free bubble 

 

This utterly astonishes me.

[Victoria2]

13 minutes ago, exlondoner said:

 

It may well be, which makes it less than terrifying or humiliating, but certainly a rotten thing to happen on one's honeymoon.

What a rotten way to experience a honeymoon.

She has my sympathies.

[EvaBME]

4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

As I said else where on this forum, my friends on this cruise didn’t have a clue that this could happen. They thought they were going into a Covid free bubble 

The sad thing is when you're dealing with other humans, there's no such thing has 100% safety.    Your friend were probably told by Cunard that "everything was fine."  But the sad part is that people do lie, they lie about all sorts of thing.  A friend told me about his relative who paid money for a fake vaccination card.  

[Annabel50]

It is regrettable that anyone has found themselves in this situation, but good to see that Cunard are separating infected passengers from others to protect any further rise infection, they are doing there job, anyone cruising over the past few months should appreciate this is a real possibility, hence we have cancelled our 14th Jan Caribbean voyage, the risk is too high, some will not see it that way which is their own choice.

[mcloaked]

We have moved two cruises for early 2022 because of worries about ship board outbreaks and the consequences.  We are waiting to see if we can be re-assured for the spring and then deciding if we need to transfer a spring one to later, or not.  Let's hope there is some better news coming from the ships before too long.