Slot Pull Ethical Question

[bucfan2]

As long as it’s stated up front, people can choose whether to participate or pass.  Probably not a bad idea for the organizer to have some ‘proof’ in writing to avoid the thirsty ambulance chaser from ruining the party should the opportunity arise. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by bucfan2

[Bailey & Sophie]

2 hours ago, CasinoCruzGirl said:

Is this a joke or are you serious?

 

Well, do YOU have any ideas on what I can do with 4 points? I'm still looking for suggestions. 😉

[Cigar King]

Get a T-Shirt made.  "I went on a cruise and all I git were four lousy points in the casino. "  

 

 

[Coralc]

15 hours ago, Bailey & Sophie said:

 

Well, do YOU have any ideas on what I can do with 4 points? I'm still looking for suggestions. 😉

 

I believe the casino host mentioned that you need 400 points to get $ off a cruise. I ended up with 120 points, and cashed it in for $2 in freeplay. 

[vjmatty]

15 hours ago, Bailey & Sophie said:

 

Well, do YOU have any ideas on what I can do with 4 points? I'm still looking for suggestions. 😉

 

I think it is a reasonable question, considering how concerned some people are about the organizer getting them... makes it sound like they are worth a lot, otherwise why the fuss?

 

ETA, I am aware they are not, but it is a good facetious question, which is my favorite kind.

 

 

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[Scottee25]

On 5/10/2022 at 3:59 PM, dunedinmaiden said:

Hello All,

 

Do you find it somewhat unethical for someone to organize slot pulls in order to use their seapass card for casino points?  When you think about it, it's actually pooled money from all those that choose to participate.  Just having a mental debate.

 

Generally I would not consider it unethical as long as it is all disclosed upfront and the organizer isn't trying to run a handful of slot pulls on the cruise. I have seen organizers disclose several things upfront, especially withholding winnings after a certain amount has been won to cover tax liabilities. I understand they put work into organizing the whole event and they do have to look after themselves.

 

On the other hand, on my most recent sailing, we already had a slot pull set up with an organizer. We had a spreadsheet with a list of everyone interested. Then this other passenger rolls in a few months before sailing and starts promoting their slot pulls (plural). We informed them that someone had already signed up to organize the slot pull (seriously, how many slot pulls does a sailing need?). This other person really didn't care. They were still going to run their 4 (yes, four) slot pulls. I even brought up that the time they were looking to host their slot pulls could potentially interfere with progressive trivia. They didn't care. They caused a lot of confusion with many that had already signed up and really created a cluster to deal with.

 

In this situation I found this person's behavior to be unethical and their being unsympathetic to the work others had put in to organize other events that their slot pulls would interfere with really turned me off to the character of this individual.

[Scottee25]

On 5/10/2022 at 4:50 PM, John&LaLa said:

FWIW, not uncommon for folks who organize shore excursions to get something back from the tour operator.😉

 

It isn't uncommon? We have organized a few shore excursions and never received anything from the tour operator nor did we ever ask. Usually it was a small group of 6-8 but we handled all of the logistics of planning and paying in full up front (if required) or paying the deposit. Have found that everything thankfully has always gone smoothly but we never expected anything of anyone for the work we put in. FWIW 🙂 

[rolloman]

3 hours ago, vjmatty said:

 

I think it is a reasonable question, considering how concerned some people are about the organizer getting them... makes it sound like they are worth a lot, otherwise why the fuss?

 

 

 

 

Because there is a select group of people out there who don't like the idea of somebody getting something they are not. The way I see it is if you have a problem with slot pulls...don't join one and if you don't join one...it is none of your business. 

[TexCruise371]

On 5/10/2022 at 4:17 PM, John&LaLa said:

It can be a lot of work, so fine with me

 

On 5/10/2022 at 4:42 PM, Cigar King said:

I think it's unethical NOT to spell it out when the rules for the pull are defined.  

 

 

Ditto

[sprint180]

I guess I have never really cared enough to care.

[Merion_Mom]

2 hours ago, Scottee25 said:

 

It isn't uncommon? We have organized a few shore excursions and never received anything from the tour operator nor did we ever ask. Usually it was a small group of 6-8 but we handled all of the logistics of planning and paying in full up front (if required) or paying the deposit. Have found that everything thankfully has always gone smoothly but we never expected anything of anyone for the work we put in. FWIW 🙂 

 

Never?  I have organized any number of group shore excursions.

 

Thenford Grey rewarded me with this:  

 

 

[Merion_Mom]

Oh, and Bernard gave me my own private carafe of his famous rum punch on the tour in St. Maarten.  😉 

 

Not posting that picture.  😉 

[Scottee25]

47 minutes ago, Merion_Mom said:

 

Never?  I have organized any number of group shore excursions.

 

Thenford Grey rewarded me with this:  

 

 

 

Very cool, but nope, never. Maybe the operators in Europe are different? The ones we have organized have all been in European ports. The tours have all been great so we were happy with that 🙂 

[John&LaLa]

3 hours ago, Scottee25 said:

 

It isn't uncommon? We have organized a few shore excursions and never received anything from the tour operator nor did we ever ask. Usually it was a small group of 6-8 but we handled all of the logistics of planning and paying in full up front (if required) or paying the deposit. Have found that everything thankfully has always gone smoothly but we never expected anything of anyone for the work we put in. FWIW 🙂 

 

You got shortchanged then🤣

[Merion_Mom]

1 minute ago, Scottee25 said:

 

Very cool, but nope, never. Maybe the operators in Europe are different? The ones we have organized have all been in European ports. The tours have all been great so we were happy with that 🙂 

Ok, both of those things are basically jokes.

:)

[Ukigirl]

Participated in my first slot pull this May, I’m not a casino gal but I had a blast. Met some great people and we didn’t lose $$. Lots of people gathered around us because of all the laughter and cheering, I knew the organizer would get the points but I didn’t care, he put a lot of effort into this and I still have my souvenir lei. Great memories 

[dunedinmaiden]

15 hours ago, Scottee25 said:

 

Generally I would not consider it unethical as long as it is all disclosed upfront and the organizer isn't trying to run a handful of slot pulls on the cruise. I have seen organizers disclose several things upfront, especially withholding winnings after a certain amount has been won to cover tax liabilities. I understand they put work into organizing the whole event and they do have to look after themselves.

 

On the other hand, on my most recent sailing, we already had a slot pull set up with an organizer. We had a spreadsheet with a list of everyone interested. Then this other passenger rolls in a few months before sailing and starts promoting their slot pulls (plural). We informed them that someone had already signed up to organize the slot pull (seriously, how many slot pulls does a sailing need?). This other person really didn't care. They were still going to run their 4 (yes, four) slot pulls. I even brought up that the time they were looking to host their slot pulls could potentially interfere with progressive trivia. They didn't care. They caused a lot of confusion with many that had already signed up and really created a cluster to deal with.

 

In this situation I found this person's behavior to be unethical and their being unsympathetic to the work others had put in to organize other events that their slot pulls would interfere with really turned me off to the character of this individual.

Yes, part of my reason for asking my question was based upon the fact that one person was organizing four different slot pulls in one week.  At that point there appears to be an ulterior motive other than a social event to meet other cruisers.

[Scottee25]

10 minutes ago, dunedinmaiden said:

Yes, part of my reason for asking my question was based upon the fact that one person was organizing four different slot pulls in one week.  At that point there appears to be an ulterior motive other than a social event to meet other cruisers.

 

I agree 100%. Like seriously, how many effing slot pulls does one need in a week? If there had just been the one original slot pull on my sailing, I would have participated. However, when this other passenger rolled in and dropped 4 of them I could see right away what they were trying to do and wanted nothing to do with it. Part was because they were running 4 of them. Part of it was this person was just annoying me with everything else they said. At that point I wanted nothing to do with them. Hope that everyone else who did participate had fun but I do know a significant number of people also decided to not participate in the slot pulls either. 

 

I feel that a lot of those responding here that you, or any of us who see some of the unethical behavior of some slot pull organizers aren't seeing the whole picture. 

[Mum2Mercury]

On 5/10/2022 at 5:42 PM, Cigar King said:

I think it's unethical NOT to spell it out when the rules for the pull are defined.  

 

 

This.  As long as the organizer spells out what's going to happen, it's perfectly ethical.  Nothing is being hidden.  

[PMGS247]

1 hour ago, dunedinmaiden said:

Yes, part of my reason for asking my question was based upon the fact that one person was organizing four different slot pulls in one week.  At that point there appears to be an ulterior motive other than a social event to meet other cruisers.

 

There's 100% an ulterior motive. They're trying to rack up as much casino points as they can.  It borders on operating their own business on the ship but ultimately I don't mind this as long as they're up front about it.  If there's enough demand for 4 slot pulls then so be it.  It's not like they're doing nothing to earn those points....a well run event is a lot of time & effort.  If they're a good organizer and promoter they'll do quite well and people won't mind.

 

The worst part to me is that they're coming in late and stepping on the toes of pre-existing slot pulls and creating confusion.  It's definitely unethical and I'd be judging that person left & right without blinking an eye but I'm not sure there's a lot to be done.  You just have to rely on the participants to make the right decision as best they can.  Clear open & honest communication from the original organizer is all that can be done.  Some may opt to bow out and not deal with the drama and some may stand up and say hey mine was the original slot pull, it is still being held, please take this into consideration when considering your options.  Then let the proverbial chips fall where they may.

 

Stay away from slot pulls if this type of occasionally inevitable drama arises and it's enough of a turn off.

[dunedinmaiden]

4 hours ago, PMGS247 said:

 

There's 100% an ulterior motive. They're trying to rack up as much casino points as they can.  It borders on operating their own business on the ship but ultimately I don't mind this as long as they're up front about it.  If there's enough demand for 4 slot pulls then so be it.  It's not like they're doing nothing to earn those points....a well run event is a lot of time & effort.  If they're a good organizer and promoter they'll do quite well and people won't mind.

 

The worst part to me is that they're coming in late and stepping on the toes of pre-existing slot pulls and creating confusion.  It's definitely unethical and I'd be judging that person left & right without blinking an eye but I'm not sure there's a lot to be done.  You just have to rely on the participants to make the right decision as best they can.  Clear open & honest communication from the original organizer is all that can be done.  Some may opt to bow out and not deal with the drama and some may stand up and say hey mine was the original slot pull, it is still being held, please take this into consideration when considering your options.  Then let the proverbial chips fall where they may.

 

Stay away from slot pulls if this type of occasionally inevitable drama arises and it's enough of a turn off.

And one of the multiple slot pulls, organized by the one person, has a $100 buy in per person.  Good luck to those who participate.

[MaryZ]

6 hours ago, dunedinmaiden said:

And one of the multiple slot pulls, organized by the one person, has a $100 buy in per person.  Good luck to those who participate.

One of the cruises we were on the "slot pull organizer" came in and did this too.  Long after the original slot pull was planned.  They jumped in and kept advertising the 3 they were running  a $25 pp, a $50pp and the $100pp

I have no idea if people showed up for them but it appeared not many by the way he kept "advertising" his slot pulls.

Occasionally we participate in an original slot pull because they are fun.  But the kind this guy was doing, we won't. 

 

[rideev]

And if you hit big, the person putting it together will be responsible for the taxes later.

[Surfguyxxx]

I agree with many in that if you want the credit, arrange it yourself.  The guy that did our recent slot pull was super organized and kept everyone up to date on what was going on.  He deserved his allotment IMHO.

[the penguins]

On 5/10/2022 at 10:13 PM, reallyitsmema said:

 

We had a slot pull organized and someone joined the rollcall last second to run a slot pull.  The ones organizing let this woman push in and she had her card in the machine unless someone made her pull it out.  She and one other member of the slot pull decided to have more turns to see if we hit and then took all the money and put it on red on roulette.  It was black.  All money lost but the lady got her points.  Last slot pull we ever joined.

A poorly organised pull. The rules under which I organise a Pull (inherited from another organiser) clearly state that members can't join once the Pull has started. On our last Pull we had 80 participants a total of 💲1200 put in the machine and it made no difference to my Casino Status. The rules are also designed so that in the event of a big win no one has to pay the tax. Won't know if it will work but hopefully one day we will get to find out.