Carnival, why do you even make rules?

[snowballs mom]

1 hour ago, Elaine5715 said:

Marijuana smoke particles cling to you unlike cigarette smoke so you take the smell with you if if inadvertently walk through someone's exhale

Unofrtunately, cigarette smoke does as well...

[crazy4themouse]

OP here.. Sorry, I didn't mean to pull the pin on this and walk away -- The c-bug finally caught me after 3 years and took me down for the rest of the week. Back on the mend now - thank you, Paxlovid! - and just wanted to tack on a couple of thoughts.

 

• Yes, I went to guest services to at least make them aware. They were very polite, as they always are, and said they would let security know. But this was admittedly nearing the end of the week before I had had enough and went to GS. I don't like to be a complainer, and we tried to just stay in our happy drama-free Havana area. But I shouldn't have to do that, you know? And I could smoke in the casino but the hubs couldn't smoke a cigar there so up on 11 was it.

 

• I never saw one security person wandering anywhere during the whole cruise, period. Maybe they were super stealthy? Doubtful. But there were plenty of general workers always about as always, picking up glasses and emptying ashtrays right in front of the people blasting their music. And while it is absolutely not their job to step in and say anything to them at all, they absolutely could have told someone whose job it was to do something. 

 

• As others have said, I think it just reflects on an overall f-you-I'll-do-what-I-want sort of attitude held by a good chunk of society these days. It's sad, and it seems to only be getting worse. 

 

 

[Bgcruising]

Is this carnivals preferred clientele?

 

 

[Guest BasicSailor]

3 hours ago, crazy4themouse said:

OP here.. Sorry, I didn't mean to pull the pin on this and walk away -- The c-bug finally caught me after 3 years and took me down for the rest of the week. Back on the mend now - thank you, Paxlovid! - and just wanted to tack on a couple of thoughts.

 

• Yes, I went to guest services to at least make them aware. They were very polite, as they always are, and said they would let security know. But this was admittedly nearing the end of the week before I had had enough and went to GS. I don't like to be a complainer, and we tried to just stay in our happy drama-free Havana area. But I shouldn't have to do that, you know? And I could smoke in the casino but the hubs couldn't smoke a cigar there so up on 11 was it.

 

• I never saw one security person wandering anywhere during the whole cruise, period. Maybe they were super stealthy? Doubtful. But there were plenty of general workers always about as always, picking up glasses and emptying ashtrays right in front of the people blasting their music. And while it is absolutely not their job to step in and say anything to them at all, they absolutely could have told someone whose job it was to do something. 

 

• As others have said, I think it just reflects on an overall f-you-I'll-do-what-I-want sort of attitude held by a good chunk of society these days. It's sad, and it seems to only be getting worse. 

 

 

 RARE

 

I'm going to recognize this thread as a continuous repeat of every thread I have read on Carnival security and rule breakers. Perhaps the mods should join them all together. Carnival toots a loud horn but that's where it stops. With as many people as their packing on these ships these days not everyone is going to be a happy camper.

Impossible, not going to happen.

[icft]

1 hour ago, BasicSailor said:

 RARE

 

I'm going to recognize this thread as a continuous repeat of every thread I have read on Carnival security and rule breakers. Perhaps the mods should join them all together. Carnival toots a loud horn but that's where it stops. With as many people as their packing on these ships these days not everyone is going to be a happy camper.

Impossible, not going to happen.

I guess one could say the same about 80% of CC threads... Like watching cars go around in a circle in the Indy 500 or such, folks put up with the tedious for the occasional crash. 😉

[Elaine5715]

7 hours ago, snowballs mom said:

Unofrtunately, cigarette smoke does as well...

Particles from marijuana smoke are on average 29% larger in mobility diameter than particles from tobacco smoke and contain 3.4× more total mass. 

[Elaine5715]

6 hours ago, crazy4themouse said:

OP here.. Sorry, I didn't mean to pull the pin on this and walk away -- The c-bug finally caught me after 3 years and took me down for the rest of the week. Back on the mend now - thank you, Paxlovid! - and just wanted to tack on a couple of thoughts.

 

• Yes, I went to guest services to at least make them aware. They were very polite, as they always are, and said they would let security know. But this was admittedly nearing the end of the week before I had had enough and went to GS. I don't like to be a complainer, and we tried to just stay in our happy drama-free Havana area. But I shouldn't have to do that, you know? And I could smoke in the casino but the hubs couldn't smoke a cigar there so up on 11 was it.

 

• I never saw one security person wandering anywhere during the whole cruise, period. Maybe they were super stealthy? Doubtful. But there were plenty of general workers always about as always, picking up glasses and emptying ashtrays right in front of the people blasting their music. And while it is absolutely not their job to step in and say anything to them at all, they absolutely could have told someone whose job it was to do something. 

 

• As others have said, I think it just reflects on an overall f-you-I'll-do-what-I-want sort of attitude held by a good chunk of society these days. It's sad, and it seems to only be getting worse. 

 

 

Crew members have no basis or place to register such a personal complaint.  They can only rely a guest's complaint.  

[snowballs mom]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Particles from marijuana smoke are on average 29% larger in mobility diameter than particles from tobacco smoke and contain 3.4× more total mass. 

So what. It is a matter of individual perception.  As a non-smoker of either substance, I actually find the smell of cigarette smoke more offensive than pot.

[AquarianCruiser]

8 hours ago, snowballs mom said:

So what. It is a matter of individual perception.  As a non-smoker of either substance, I actually find the smell of cigarette smoke more offensive than pot.

I find them both equally offensive.  Elaine5715’s information was relevant to the topic of discussion.  That’s what.  

[SRQbeachgirl]

It seems that a larger and larger percentage of people are jerks these days, whether it's while driving, at the grocery store, restaurant, or any other normal everyday place. These people don't seem to have been raised with any sense of manners, social etiquette, or empathy for others and they don't suddenly grow these social skills when they get on a cruise ship. 

 

Unfortunately, Carnival attracts an oversized proportion of the socially-inept thanks to the price point compared to other cruise lines. That's one reason statements by Carnival leadership have been made recently regarding the need to raise prices. When they say Carnival has become too much of a value they're not just talking about dollars they might be losing--they're also talking about the clientele they're attracting and the problems they cause.

 

I realize being on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale does not equal social ineptitude, but when these groups can go on a cruise for the same or less than it would cost them for a week crammed into a condo in Pensacola or Destin, then it's time for the cruise line to consider a price adjustment. 

[StephPS79]

14 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

Unfortunately, Carnival attracts an oversized proportion of the socially-inept thanks to the price point compared to other cruise lines....

 

When they say Carnival has become too much of a value they're not just talking about dollars they might be losing--they're also talking about the clientele they're attracting and the problems they cause.

 

I realize being on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale does not equal social ineptitude...

Really?  Because that's pretty much what you just said.

 

Alternatively, Carnival could keep the price point the same, allowing people with a lower vacation budget to enjoy a cruise, and those wishing not to cruise with such inept low-class can pay a higher price point on one of the other cruise lines with their preferred clientele.

[SRQbeachgirl]

6 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

Really?  Because that's pretty much what you just said.

 

Alternatively, Carnival could keep the price point the same, allowing people with a lower vacation budget to enjoy a cruise, and those wishing not to cruise with such inept low-class can pay a higher price point on one of the other cruise lines with their preferred clientele.

 

I've been cruising Carnival since 1992 and I'm a stockholder as well, and I prefer to see them price their cruises so they're not leaking money like a sieve and constantly being bashed in the media for the outrageous behavior of some of their guests. I would like Carnival to be financially solvent for decades to come.

 

I get it that some people don't care about the future of the company beyond their next cruise date, but when you tell people you're going on a Carnival cruise and they look at you like you've just lost your mind, that's not a good thing. 

[StephPS79]

6 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

I've been cruising Carnival since 1992 and I'm a stockholder as well, and I prefer to see them price their cruises so they're not leaking money like a sieve and constantly being bashed in the media for the outrageous behavior of some of their guests. I would like Carnival to be financially solvent for decades to come.

 

I get it that some people don't care about the future of the company beyond their next cruise date, but when you tell people you're going on a Carnival cruise and they look at you like you've just lost your mind, that's not a good thing. 

Pandemic aside, do you have statics to support "leaking money like a sieve?" Because their revenue actually looks pretty good.  

 

What does it matter what someone thinks about what someone enjoys?  If you are embarrased or ashamed to tell someone you are going on a Carnival cruise, that is a personal issue.

 

Also, just a note, NCL's recovery model was not reducing prices to get people cruising.  Did you see their latest earnings report.

[SRQbeachgirl]

10 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

What does it matter what someone thinks about what someone enjoys?  If you are embarrased or ashamed to tell someone you are going on a Carnival cruise, that is a personal issue.

 

 

I never said I was embarrassed, and I am very open about what cruise line I'm sailing with. I have two Carnival cruises booked right now, but we have also recently branched out to Celebrity. That's money that could go to Carnival, but now won't.

 

But you missed the point - companies can live or die by their reputation and Carnival has been fighting this battle for too long with no appreciable improvement. If all they're looking for is those blue card cruisers, then carry on. But that debt they owe is massive, and they're going to need more than a couple of decent earnings reports to get out of it.

[StephPS79]

20 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

I never said I was embarrassed, and I am very open about what cruise line I'm sailing with. I have two Carnival cruises booked right now, but we have also recently branched out to Celebrity. That's money that could go to Carnival, but now won't.

 

But you missed the point - companies can live or die by their reputation and Carnival has been fighting this battle for too long with no appreciable improvement. If all they're looking for is those blue card cruisers, then carry on. But that debt they owe is massive, and they're going to need more than a couple of decent earnings reports to get out of it.

A dollar is a dollar.  For every person who decides they have "outgrown" Carnival, there are 10 more new cruisers willing to give Carnival a chance, if the price is right.

[ontheweb]

12 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

A dollar is a dollar.  For every person who decides they have "outgrown" Carnival, there are 10 more new cruisers willing to give Carnival a chance, if the price is right.

And some of those who "outgrow" Carnival might end up on Princess, HAL, or Cunard keeping the money in the Carnival Corporation.

[SRQbeachgirl]

3 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

A dollar is a dollar.  For every person who decides they have "outgrown" Carnival, there are 10 more new cruisers willing to give Carnival a chance, if the price is right.

 

You have the stats to back that up? 

 

If this wasn't affecting Carnival's bottom line, then Weinstien wouldn't be making comments like this: https://www.thestreet.com/travel/royal-caribbean-carnival-have-bad-pricing-news-for-cruise-fans

 

[mz-s]

1 hour ago, StephPS79 said:

A dollar is a dollar.  For every person who decides they have "outgrown" Carnival, there are 10 more new cruisers willing to give Carnival a chance, if the price is right.

 

A company that can only compete on price is not a good thing when they're $30Bn in debt and still not turning a profit, some three years after the start of the pandemic.

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

On 3/7/2023 at 3:37 PM, mz-s said:

I think what we really need is about three more letters and maybe two more youtube videos from Christine Duffy, that ought to do the trick!

No, what we need is grown ass adults to follow the rules. I just came off a CCL cruise and I first hand heard a guest say they are entitled to do what they want as they sail 15 times a year, blah blah blah. You very well know what would the perception be if they started to rip or grab radios out of offenders hands...

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

1 hour ago, StephPS79 said:

A dollar is a dollar.  For every person who decides they have "outgrown" Carnival, there are 10 more new cruisers willing to give Carnival a chance, if the price is right.

Thats correct. And MSC will give thousands of free cruises away and NCL will continue to loose hundreds of millions of dollars and RCL will be just as leveraged as Carnival. If anyone thinks the cruiselines are different they are mistaken.

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

On 3/7/2023 at 3:30 PM, crazy4themouse said:

Just got off Vista on Saturday, and had an amazing time, as always. The staff are always wonderful on Carnival, but they all seemed extra-nice this time around for some reason! Every last one of them. And our stateroom host was so sweet! The whole ship was sparkling clean, the food was *much* improved since our most recent Breeze cruise in October, and our beloved Havana area was just as awesome as always.

 

The one issue we had this cruise was not one I expected. I know Carnival just recently made the big to-do about how they're done with everyone's shenanigans and were going to be cracking down. Chair hogs, fights, that sort of thing were not going to be tolerated...They made it sound like Shaquille O'Neal himself was going to pop out of a lifeboat and kick anyone's ass who defied the rules. And things like bluetooth speakers were now banned entirely. This kind of irked me because we always bring a small one to play white noise on while we sleep, but NBD we just used the phone itself. I don't know if it was in defiance over the new rules being enforced, or we just lucked out on every other cruise, but this cruise -- immediately after the proclamation had been made -- it was a big issue with the speakers. 

 

At least 4 or 5 times when we'd go up to the smoking area at 11 aft, there would be someone with music just *blasting* out of their personal speaker. A couple of times, the guy hung it right from under the big umbrella like we had all voted to hear it. A couple of times there were two people with competing speakers. One time, a woman was wandering through one of the shops holding a speaker, also at near full volume, like she was the only one aboard the ship. And the enforcement each time? Nowhere to be found, Shaq or otherwise. It was pretty ridiculous. 

 

So if anyone was wondering about whether or not Carnival was actually going to start enforcing their own rules that they make such a big deal about, the answer is definitely NO.

 

You do have a point but just remember that the same people who complain about these rules are perhaps the same people who break "other" rules like smuggling on alcohol or edible gummies, etc. Not saying this is you but it is a fact. Can't have it both ways. 

[AquarianCruiser]

4 hours ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

It seems that a larger and larger percentage of people are jerks these days, whether it's while driving, at the grocery store, restaurant, or any other normal everyday place. These people don't seem to have been raised with any sense of manners, social etiquette, or empathy for others and they don't suddenly grow these social skills when they get on a cruise ship. 

 

Unfortunately, Carnival attracts an oversized proportion of the socially-inept thanks to the price point compared to other cruise lines. That's one reason statements by Carnival leadership have been made recently regarding the need to raise prices. When they say Carnival has become too much of a value they're not just talking about dollars they might be losing--they're also talking about the clientele they're attracting and the problems they cause.

 

I realize being on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale does not equal social ineptitude, but when these groups can go on a cruise for the same or less than it would cost them for a week crammed into a condo in Pensacola or Destin, then it's time for the cruise line to consider a price adjustment. 

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments you expressed in your comment.  
The older the crowd and the more affluent they are, the better in my opinion.  A crowd of older folks are generally better behaved, display better manners, and are far less likely to act like wild banshees than a younger crowd.  I don’t care what anyone says to the contrary.  This has been my experience.  

[AquarianCruiser]

1 hour ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

No, what we need is grown ass adults to follow the rules. I just came off a CCL cruise and I first hand heard a guest say they are entitled to do what they want as they sail 15 times a year, blah blah blah. You very well know what would the perception be if they started to rip or grab radios out of offenders hands...

True story.  Someone I know quite well told me he went on a Carnival cruise with his family and he went to the main dining room on one of the chic dress nights wearing shorts and flip flops and he was furious because he wasn’t permitted to enter wearing his beach bum attire…and he was so outraged and insulted because according to him and I quote “It’s MY damn vacation!  And I should be allowed to wear any damn thing that I want to wear on MY damn vacation.”  He’s a big Garth Brooks fan so naturally he isn’t much on social graces.  Maybe cruising just isn’t for him.  

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

3 minutes ago, AquarianCruiser said:

True story.  Someone I know quite well told me he went on a Carnival cruise with his family and he went to the main dining room on one of the chic dress nights wearing shorts and flip flops and he was furious because he wasn’t permitted to enter wearing his beach bum attire…and he was so outraged and insulted because according to him and I quote “It’s MY damn vacation!  And I should be allowed to wear any damn thing that I want to wear on MY damn vacation.”  He’s a big Garth Brooks fan so naturally he isn’t much on social graces.  Maybe cruising just isn’t for him.  

It is true to an extent its all of our vacations but some people just do not like to be told what and what not to do and me included sometimes. How should they handle the kids running and the boom boxes? Like do what, lock the kids in their cabin or fine the parents. Its a very touchy subject and this type of behavior is not exclusive to CCL as well. 

[Elaine5715]

5 hours ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

It seems that a larger and larger percentage of people are jerks these days, whether it's while driving, at the grocery store, restaurant, or any other normal everyday place. These people don't seem to have been raised with any sense of manners, social etiquette, or empathy for others and they don't suddenly grow these social skills when they get on a cruise ship. 

 

Unfortunately, Carnival attracts an oversized proportion of the socially-inept thanks to the price point compared to other cruise lines. That's one reason statements by Carnival leadership have been made recently regarding the need to raise prices. When they say Carnival has become too much of a value they're not just talking about dollars they might be losing--they're also talking about the clientele they're attracting and the problems they cause.

 

I realize being on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale does not equal social ineptitude, but when these groups can go on a cruise for the same or less than it would cost them for a week crammed into a condo in Pensacola or Destin, then it's time for the cruise line to consider a price adjustment. 

One of the most memorable families I met cruising was a widower, his preteen daughter and son, his mother and brother on a 3 day cruise.   Dad saved hard after his wife died young because he promised her their kids weren't going to be like most of the family, never leaving the mountain county they lived in.  Watching them cuddled together as we pulled into Nassau as they saw another country for the first time (while the rest of the jaded cruisers...yucky Nassau) and see them just be  amazed.  All of them were fascinated and a little fearful of crew but their manners were impeccable. None of them had met someone from another country much less a Presbyterian yet they treated everyone with gratitude and kindness.   I do think this cruise changed those kids lives and opened up the world.  

I believe it the influence of social media that encourages and rewards bad behavior.  Be it falsehoods of how someone got upgrades or freebies and encouragement of how to break posted policies, no matter how bad the behavior posted, there will be validation.