En Route with Hank in Japan and the Westerdam

[Mary229]

1 minute ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

 

The couple onboard without AC, no.  The couple with the flooded room, I am not sure.  I assume the leak was fixed and room dried out either way.

 

You the ship would have been below capacity on the restart, so I don't get it, unless the AC systems cool multiple rooms?

 

 

We have had air problems on ships that are visiting different extreme climates especially after leaving a very cold climate then going to a warm climate We had condensation leaks on the Voyage of the Vikings but actual ac problems on the South American voyage especially after leaving the Antarctica.  After a day or so the system evened out.    Perhaps one of the engineers here could explain the issue

[slidergirl]

2 hours ago, Mary229 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but a major complain in this thread was the entertainment was lacking (I agree with this).  It is my understanding on small luxury ships there is very limited entertainment, right?  So paying a $1000 a day may get you better food but you still have little entertainment.  My solution is : selecting the itinerary I want for the best value I can find then spending like a drunken sailor onshore, which is what I do.  
 

As to the small overcharges - use the app.  For me that falls into the “life is not perfect” category and would not sway my decision whether to cruise with a line again.

I wouldn’t say that is true.  On a small luxury ship, you read the amenities and you see and know that the entertainment isn’t good to be like on the big ships.   When HAL advertises a Music Walk, BB Kings, dance shows, you expect that they won’t stop early into the night, but to go on for awhile as they used to.   When I did my canal barge cruise last summer, I didn’t expect any Entertainment other than hanging out with the other passengers and drinking.  But, I paid more for that cruise than any cruise I’ve done.  

On the Eurodam the other week on the first Alaska cruise, my steward kept me in bottles of Aqua Panna - I didn’t ask. Another passenger on that same cruise mentioned they had no bottles in their cabin and the steward said they wouldn’t get any because the ship was short on it and they were keeping track of which cabins got it.  I didn’t mention this before but it did really bother me.  I had my reservation in Tamarind for dinner one night.  I sat at that table in the middle for a good 20 minutes while the servers were working for everyone around me.  A person in a suit came by and asked if I had ordered a drink and I said I haven’t ordered anything because no one has come to me.  5 more minutes and a server showed up and then all the girls started checking on me very, very frequently.  That never should have happened, and didn’t happen on other cruises,  I don’t know if it was because I was solo, I was a solo woman or what.  It certainly wasn’t because the servers were busy,  That was a serious lapse in service.    Up in the Crows Nest, the line for a hot beverage was out the door and to the elevators.  No way it should take 30 minutes to order and get a cafe latte.  

HAL felt like any other mass market cruise line that I’ve been on, definitely not premium.   If something was really good about a price or destinations, maybe I’d go back.  But I sure won’t wed myself to HAL.  

[Florida_gal_50]

The coffee line was always ridiculous on the koningsdam.  Probably always 20 to 30 deep.  It seemed like no one was getting coffee just for themselves.  It was always 2 to 3 coffees per person and never just a regular cup of coffee, always “fancy”.  No way to keep up with that.

 

One thing I’ve noticed as a single traveller is that I never seem to get a window seat, those seem to go to couples.  It seems especially bad in Canaletto.  Usually I don’t say anything but last cruise I’d had enough when they tried to seat me on a banquette and I refused.  Next single woman coming in got sat in exactly that spot.  This is MY experience.  I don’t need to hear it never happens.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Florida_gal_50

[slidergirl]

41 minutes ago, Florida_gal_50 said:

The coffee line was always ridiculous on the koningsdam.  Probably always 20 to 30 deep.  It seemed like no one was getting coffee just for themselves.  It was always 2 to 3 coffees per person and never just a regular cup of coffee, always “fancy”.  No way to keep up with that.

 

One thing I’ve noticed as a single traveller is that I never seem to get a window seat, those seem to go to couples.  It seems especially bad in Canaletto.  Usually I don’t say anything but last cruise I’d had enough when they tried to seat me on a banquette and I refused.  Next single woman coming in got sat in exactly that spot.  This is MY experience.  I don’t need to hear it never happens.

When a couple left a window spot inTamarind, the girls moved me there so I could watch the sunset.  After they screwed up the start of the dinner they were trying everything to make it up, I guess.  It was after the last seating so no chance of someone coming in.  

[LAFFNVEGAS]

3 hours ago, Mary229 said:

If it is like last summer it is because HAL has gone all in on Alaska and has a large percentage of its fleet there.  RCCL and NCL have fewer ships and there loyal followers will use them if they choose Alaska. 
 

to do a proper analysis you would need to know passenger numbers, demographics and past sailing history of those passenger.  You would need to also calculate total berths which should be easy to do

OK here is the run down for number of ships in Alaska and their total Maximum Berths for their ships.

 

Celebrity 3 ships  Total Max Berths  9502

HAL         7 ships                  Berths  17219

NCL         5 ships                  Berths  17452

Princess   8 ships                 Berths   29751

RCI           4 ships                 Berths  14770

 

HAL does not have the most ships nor the most berths in Alaska, That Honor goes to Princess yes many of the Princess sailings are quite full with many categories closed the whole season. That is not the case with HAL. Across all of the Alaska sailings HAL has the lowest prices including with Have It All.

 

What is interesting for sailings that are already well past final payment HAL has a lot of dates with Interior cabins for $669.00 per person out of Seattle and even several $379 pp out of Vancouver or Whittier, Princess on the other hand has N/A.  No Availability on most of their sailings. They do have a few cheap Interiors out of Whittier but very few.

[Mary229]

1 hour ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

OK here is the run down for number of ships in Alaska and their total Maximum Berths for their ships.

 

Celebrity 3 ships  Total Max Berths  9502

HAL         7 ships                  Berths  17219

NCL         5 ships                  Berths  17452

Princess   8 ships                 Berths   29751

RCI           4 ships                 Berths  14770

 

HAL does not have the most ships nor the most berths in Alaska, That Honor goes to Princess yes many of the Princess sailings are quite full with many categories closed the whole season. That is not the case with HAL. Across all of the Alaska sailings HAL has the lowest prices including with Have It All.

 

What is interesting for sailings that are already well past final payment HAL has a lot of dates with Interior cabins for $669.00 per person out of Seattle and even several $379 pp out of Vancouver or Whittier, Princess on the other hand has N/A.  No Availability on most of their sailings. They do have a few cheap Interiors out of Whittier but very few.

That should be a wake up call to HAL

[Florida_gal_50]

8 hours ago, slidergirl said:

When a couple left a window spot inTamarind, the girls moved me there so I could watch the sunset.  After they screwed up the start of the dinner they were trying everything to make it up, I guess.  It was after the last seating so no chance of someone coming in.  

I generally go at 6 or 6:30 so much earlier.

[mcrcruiser]

where 

16 hours ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

Ray, to see where HAL stands in this is to then look at this same date for Alaska end of August and look at Princess, NCL, Celebrity and RCL

These are lowest price for each category or remaining categories

Discovery Princess Aug 27  Inside $824  OV SOLD OUT  Balcony $1213

NCL Encore Aug 27             Inside  $879  OV $1319          Balcony $ 1649

Celebrity   Sept 1                 All Categories Sold out

RCL Quantum OFS              Inside $ SOLD OUT OV$ $1619 Balcony  $1839 

 

All four of these have very limited availability yet both Westerdam and Eurodam are pretty much wide open with no categories really closed....My Question is Why is This? The other cruise line pricing is considerablyhigher exception is Princess but they are still higher. HAL should be able to have the same prices as Princess or even higher but they do not. I agree HAL pricing should be a lot higher but they are not. 

Where does Carnival ships fr in here for Alaska ? Wonder what their pricing might be   ? TIA

[LAFFNVEGAS]

1 hour ago, mcrcruiser said:

where 

Where does Carnival ships fr in here for Alaska ? Wonder what their pricing might be   ? TIA

Carnival has 3 ships in Alaska this year. The New Carnival Luminosa which not brand new but new to the Carnival Fleet but still a newer ship.  Looking at  her sailings in the same time period for late August into September that ship is totally sold out for every week. Next is an older ship Carnival Spirit sailing out of Seattle, August 29th Insides start at $839.00 per person (the week prior it is $889.00 pp Ocean View is $1179.00 and a Cove Balcony $1319.00 PP an actual Ocean View balcony non-obstructed is $1439.00  Carnival Miracle is also doing Round trip sailings from San Francisco and is totally sold out but those are unique with sailing from California. Those have been sold out for a long time. Thos Spirit Sailings are pretty picked over and not much availability from what I can see.

[mcrcruiser]

46 minutes ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

Carnival has 3 ships in Alaska this year. The New Carnival Luminosa which not brand new but new to the Carnival Fleet but still a newer ship.  Looking at  her sailings in the same time period for late August into September that ship is totally sold out for every week. Next is an older ship Carnival Spirit sailing out of Seattle, August 29th Insides start at $839.00 per person (the week prior it is $889.00 pp Ocean View is $1179.00 and a Cove Balcony $1319.00 PP an actual Ocean View balcony non-obstructed is $1439.00  Carnival Miracle is also doing Round trip sailings from San Francisco and is totally sold out but those are unique with sailing from California. Those have been sold out for a long time. Thos Spirit Sailings are pretty picked over and not much availability from what I can see.

Thanks   the whole Alaska season seems very interesting for cruising 

[BermudaBound2014]

14 hours ago, Mary229 said:

That should be a wake up call to HAL

 

Yep, and HAL has consistently been the least expensive option for Alaska this entire season. You don't even need to book super last minute. Lots of cheap fares can still be found for July, Aug, Sept (of course, those will likely be further reduced).

[Mary229]

3 hours ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

sailings from San Francisco

HAL would do well to expand its ports.  Sailings from California to Alaska would be a welcome new itinerary “beach to glacier” and would serve the multitude of well pensioned Californians. They would also consider coming to the prosperous Texas Gulf Coast.  All businesses are well advised to go where the money is

[Mary229]

54 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

Yep, and HAL has consistently been the least expensive option for Alaska this entire season. You don't even need to book super last minute. Lots of cheap fares can still be found for July, Aug, Sept (of course, those will likely be further reduced).

Yes, DH continues to get casino offers for 7 day Alaska sailings. 

[LAFFNVEGAS]

What is interesting itis not even the lower end staterooms not selling with HAL even Neptune and Signature Suites. With Princesss their sister brand and competition. Suites are pretty much sold out and what is remaining is considerbly more than what HAL is offering for a SA Neptune Suite. NCL is drastically higher with very few remaining. 

With all this being said I will state HAL has always had alot of very low price stateroomsveven before covid. I think they always planned to make up profits selling cheap cabins but hoping people will spend money on expensive excursions I do not have the data on that but seriously doubt that iw working like it did 10 years ago.

I totally agree I think HAL could do better with round trip Alaska from California. Princess and Carnival have been extremely successful with those itineraries.

[scooter6139]

I find it kind of funny that anyone would compare MSC Yaght Club to anything that HAL offers.  It's not even close.  HAL doesn't have anything comparable to The Yacht Club.  The best it can compare to is the suite experience on Princess Royal class chips.  Both have a Suite only lounge and can dine in some special restaurants, but that's about it (Club Orange is the MDR with one or two extra items).  Yacht Club best compares to other "Ship within a Ship", like NCL's The Haven or X's The Retreat.

 

Don't get me wrong, Neptune and Pinnacle Suites are very nice and I look forward to trying one out.  But let's not kid ourselves and think it is comparable to the very high-end stuff of other Premium Line offerings.

[Mary229]

2 minutes ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

What is interesting itis not even the lower end staterooms not selling with HAL even Neptune and Signature Suites. With Princesss their sister brand and competition. Suites are pretty much sold out and what is remaining is considerbly more than what HAL is offering for a SA Neptune Suite. NCL is drastically higher with very few remaining. 

With all this being said I will state HAL has always had alot of very low price stateroomsveven before covid. I think they always planned to make up profits selling cheap cabins but hoping people will spend money on expensive excursions I do not have the data on that but seriously doubt that iw working like it did 10 years ago.

I totally agree I think HAL could do better with round trip Alaska from California. Princess and Carnival have been extremely successful with those itineraries.

I have never really watched the pacific sailings much.  Covid turned our attention west and it is interesting to read everyone’s observations.   For a variety of reasons, which could be deemed political,  I am sure a lot of people would rather cruise the west coast rather than vacation on land.  It could present an excellent opportunity if advertised as such plus noting the much cheaper airfares to California from other parts of the country.  For instance to  fly and hotel in San Diego from Texas is almost half what it costs to fly and hotel in Seattle.  Also flying from Texas to Alaska is a very long haul. To Anchorage from DFW is 7.5 hours, to Ireland 8.5 hours, with a good wind even less 

[Hlitner]

54 minutes ago, scooter6139 said:

I find it kind of funny that anyone would compare MSC Yaght Club to anything that HAL offers.  It's not even close.  HAL doesn't have anything comparable to The Yacht Club.  The best it can compare to is the suite experience on Princess Royal class chips.  Both have a Suite only lounge and can dine in some special restaurants, but that's about it (Club Orange is the MDR with one or two extra items).  Yacht Club best compares to other "Ship within a Ship", like NCL's The Haven or X's The Retreat.

 

Don't get me wrong, Neptune and Pinnacle Suites are very nice and I look forward to trying one out.  But let's not kid ourselves and think it is comparable to the very high-end stuff of other Premium Line offerings.

Premium Line?  Trust me that NCL, MSC, Celebrity, RCI, etc. are not premium lines  But they do offer Premium perks/packages with their higher end suites.  And speaking of the Yacht Club, on the newest MSC ships one can even book an inside cabin (at a very decent price) and get the same luxury perks as the folks in the most expensive Yacht Club suites.  HAL's Club Orange is a lame attempt to enter this world, but it fails on many levels.  

 

The cruise world has gone through many changes over the 50+ years we have been cruising and the latest major change is to offer lots of luxury perks/packages to folks in suites (and in the case of MSC even in lower end cabins).  HAL has simply fallen behind the competition on many levels. HAL has even moved backwards by again requiring folks to sign paper tabs for every drink (with space for an extra tip above the mandatory 18%).  On MSC I have never had to sign a tab...anywhere!  On Princess it is rare to ever see a paper tab.  HAL has understaffed the bars (with bar tenders and waiters) and given the fewer employees more work (which slows down the process) having to deal with paper tabs!  

 

Hank

 

Hank

[BetsyS.]

I hope that visas will be processed quickly for people who want to work on the ships. 

If that happens, it will be better for everyone.

[LAFFNVEGAS]

20 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

Premium Line?  Trust me that NCL, MSC, Celebrity, RCI, etc. are not premium lines  But they do offer Premium perks/packages with their higher end suites.  And speaking of the Yacht Club, on the newest MSC ships one can even book an inside cabin (at a very decent price) and get the same luxury perks as the folks in the most expensive Yacht Club suites.  HAL's Club Orange is a lame attempt to enter this world, but it fails on many levels.  

 

The cruise world has gone through many changes over the 50+ years we have been cruising and the latest major change is to offer lots of luxury perks/packages to folks in suites (and in the case of MSC even in lower end cabins).  HAL has simply fallen behind the competition on many levels. HAL has even moved backwards by again requiring folks to sign paper tabs for every drink (with space for an extra tip above the mandatory 18%).  On MSC I have never had to sign a tab...anywhere!  On Princess it is rare to ever see a paper tab.  HAL has understaffed the bars (with bar tenders and waiters) and given the fewer employees more work (which slows down the process) having to deal with paper tabs!  

 

Hank

 

Hank

Hank, I totally agree. I also have never signed any receipt for drinks on NCL, as a matter of fact when you have the drink package there is no limit. The last several NCL cruises specifically out last cruise in February there was a group of 6 of us that always dining together 5 of us ended up always getting the same Riesling so at each restaurant they would just bring over bottles of that wine and just keep pouring it for us. We often lost count of how many glasses were poured lol

I truly love the option of upgrading to the Haven on NCL. I agree that  it is as if HAL is going backward to compete with this market. Princess does realize they need to get into this market at least it appears that way with the NEW Sphere Class ships. Time will tell with that. I do think that HAL could do many things to start to improve their Suite product instead I feel it has lost so many of the perks it once had. One thing that comes to mind was the special Suite buffet brunch they would serve for suites on the last sea day up on the Crow's Nest. There are so many things that no longer are there that now the Neptunes Suites are just a larger stateroom with a big ticket price.

[LAFFNVEGAS]

17 minutes ago, BetsyS. said:

I hope that visas will be processed quickly for people who want to work on the ships. 

If that happens, it will be better for everyone.

Sadly I really do not think the visa problem is why many of the crew are short staffed. It is just an easy excuse they can pass off. That does not seem to be the probel with other cruise lines.

[sunviking90]

On 5/13/2023 at 9:20 PM, cruisemom42 said:

 

(Apologies for the long screed below. I had more to say than I thought about the issue of service and crew. 😕)

 

I have long heard passengers say HAL's service is "the best".  If I am completely honest, I have never noted any significantly higher level of service from the crew on HAL versus the crew on many other lines I've sailed on. 

 

To be fair I don't need/ask for/want much. In 28 days on Westerdam, I never asked my steward for one single thing beyond what was already on offer. I don't ask for ice or extra towels or a mattress topper or to have my minibar emptied or anything. And that's pretty much status quo for me. Same in the food department -- I don't have any allergies or dislikes or want my dressing on the side or no butter or to have my drink ready and waiting. I take it as I find it. I am very easy going. 

 

I don't chat up bartenders or cozy up to staff. It's just not me. 

 

That said, my own personal experience in recent years -- based on what I see crew doing for others more so than myself -- has been that Celebrity crew are just as happy, friendly, and willing to go the extra yard as any HAL team members. Perhaps more so.

 

The Cafe al Bacio on X is much better at quickly handling specialty coffee orders and getting them out to customers with a smile and minimal wait. The woman at the MDR podium on Celebrity knew my name and room number within two days on my cruise in October on a ship the same size as Westerdam and always greeted me with a smile and a "how was your day?". By contrast, on Westerdam the man at the MDR podium never engaged with me or acted like he even recognized me after 28 days. Every single time he asked for my room number -- and I ate the majority of breakfasts and dinners in the MDR, and just about every lunch that they were open.

 

I felt the bar staff in most areas on X circulate more, both indoors and outdoors. 

 

And I have always felt that the very visible presence of top officers onboard has an extremely positive effect on the morale of staff and crew teams onboard a ship. On X, the officers seem genuinely happy to be on board and are to be seen at mid-morning in the coffee bar or eating at a table in the buffet at noon or participating in various onboard events including games and entertainment.

 

While the captain on Westerdam wasn't completely invisible, he mostly showed up on planned and scripted occasions, except when he had a chance to answer a few questions during a morning Q&A. On Westerdam if you don't attend the welcome toast, you probably will have no idea who the senior officers are, whereas on X it seems like they are always introducing themselves and initiating conversations.

 

These comparisons are all post-Covid, as it doesn't seem fair to compare anything further back than that. HAL and X are pretty comparable lines. And my experiences are from ships of fairly equal size, age, and number of passengers, and on long-ish cruises.

 

Since the restart, I have also experienced or witnessed a few disturbing incidents involving staff/crew that lead me to think there are some serious "undertones" among these employees and that bothered me enough to stay with me and cause me to wonder at times whether I am really happy to continue supporting the cruising model for future travel. 

 

 

 

Your comments really hit the nail on the head with me. We’ve taken a number of cruises last year and this year on Celebrity, Princess, and one on HAL. I always think “hmm” when people say HAL has the best crew and wonder if they have cruised on other lines. While our room stewards are always wonderful on any line, we have noticed on Princess and especially Celebrity the officers presence everywhere. The restaurant hosts and maître ds remember us and are always so accommodating.

In contrast on the Zuiderdam last summer the restaurant hosts seemed to do their best NOT to accommodate people. This was especially disappointing as most of our cruises in the past have been with HAL and our best ever was on the Zuiderdam some years ago. I would say the HAL cruise was the one we felt the least “welcome” on in the last 2 years.

 

The tone starts at the top and I remember years ago the Zuiderdam captain was always everywhere greeting people, taking part in events, etc, and you could tell it was a “happy” ship.  This was not our feeling last summer. 
 

 

 

[Florida_gal_50]

1 hour ago, Hlitner said:

Premium Line?  Trust me that NCL, MSC, Celebrity, RCI, etc. are not premium lines  But they do offer Premium perks/packages with their higher end suites.  And speaking of the Yacht Club, on the newest MSC ships one can even book an inside cabin (at a very decent price) and get the same luxury perks as the folks in the most expensive Yacht Club suites.  HAL's Club Orange is a lame attempt to enter this world, but it fails on many levels.  

 

The cruise world has gone through many changes over the 50+ years we have been cruising and the latest major change is to offer lots of luxury perks/packages to folks in suites (and in the case of MSC even in lower end cabins).  HAL has simply fallen behind the competition on many levels. HAL has even moved backwards by again requiring folks to sign paper tabs for every drink (with space for an extra tip above the mandatory 18%).  On MSC I have never had to sign a tab...anywhere!  On Princess it is rare to ever see a paper tab.  HAL has understaffed the bars (with bar tenders and waiters) and given the fewer employees more work (which slows down the process) having to deal with paper tabs!  

 

Hank

 

Hank

As I mentioned before hal doesn’t require or make anyone sign a slip.  I signed zero slips on my last 2 cruises.  If everyone refused they may stop. Have you tried club orange? I find the ones that haven’t are the ones that diss it the most. It’s actually pretty lovely.

[Hlitner]

24 minutes ago, Florida_gal_50 said:

As I mentioned before hal doesn’t require or make anyone sign a slip.  I signed zero slips on my last 2 cruises.  If everyone refused they may stop. Have you tried club orange? I find the ones that haven’t are the ones that diss it the most. It’s actually pretty lovely.

So tell me about the wonderful Club Orange on Vista Class ships.  Tell me about their dedicated restaurant (not), unique upscale menu (not), wonderful Club Orange Lounge (Not).  A small upgrade?  Yes, although that only impacts cabin location and not the type cabin.  Priority?  I am 5* and what additional priorities do I get?  And here is a shocker. we prefer cabins somewhat forward and would refuse an "upgrade" to a more mid-ship located cabin.  And DW is not a breakfast person and is happy to grab a pasty in the Lido (if on Princess it would always be at the International Cafe where they have really good donuts/pastries).

 

As to dinner in the MDR, we generally dine about 7:30 and always request to share large tables.  On our recent Westy cruise we never waited more than 3 minutes to be seated and most night we had zero waiting time.  So I am trying to get a handle on "pretty lovely."  🙂

 

 

Now if you tell me that Club Orange will get me live music/entertainment after 11pm you might get my interest?  If you tell me that Club Orange means, we will not be consistently overcharged for drinks than you might get a fan :). If you tell me that Club Orange did not run out of Perrier, Black Tea, Rose's Lime Juice (our friend bought some ashore so we could resupply our favorite bar) Glenmorangie Scotch (finally brought aboard in Korea), Courvoisier VSOP Cognac (the only real cognac covered by the drink package...which has not been in stock on the Westy for about 6 months) I might be a fan.  Tell me that Club Orange will get me Production Shows, a real piano bar, the Lincoln Center Stage groups, and I might actually be interested in Club Orange!

 

Hank

 

 

[Florida_gal_50]

17 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

So tell me about the wonderful Club Orange on Vista Class ships.  Tell me about their dedicated restaurant (not), unique upscale menu (not), wonderful Club Orange Lounge (Not).  A small upgrade?  Yes, although that only impacts cabin location and not the type cabin.  Priority?  I am 5* and what additional priorities do I get?  And here is a shocker. we prefer cabins somewhat forward and would refuse an "upgrade" to a more mid-ship located cabin.  And DW is not a breakfast person and is happy to grab a pasty in the Lido (if on Princess it would always be at the International Cafe where they have really good donuts/pastries).

 

As to dinner in the MDR, we generally dine about 7:30 and always request to share large tables.  On our recent Westy cruise we never waited more than 3 minutes to be seated and most night we had zero waiting time.  So I am trying to get a handle on "pretty lovely."  🙂

 

 

Now if you tell me that Club Orange will get me live music/entertainment after 11pm you might get my interest?  If you tell me that Club Orange means, we will not be consistently overcharged for drinks than you might get a fan :). If you tell me that Club Orange did not run out of Perrier, Black Tea, Rose's Lime Juice (our friend bought some ashore so we could resupply our favorite bar) Glenmorangie Scotch (finally brought aboard in Korea), Courvoisier VSOP Cognac (the only real cognac covered by the drink package...which has not been in stock on the Westy for about 6 months) I might be a fan.  Tell me that Club Orange will get me Production Shows, a real piano bar, the Lincoln Center Stage groups, and I might actually be interested in Club Orange!

 

Hank

 

 

I’m not talking about club orange on the vista class 🙄.  I never said that. You remind me of someone that once told me on here that club orange was the worst and if I did anything but garbage cruises I’d get it.  Well guess what? Now it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly hal isn’t for you.  I’m always on your side.  Too bad you can’t show the same even if you don’t agree.

[Hlitner]

51 minutes ago, Florida_gal_50 said:

I’m not talking about club orange on the vista class 🙄.  I never said that. You remind me of someone that once told me on here that club orange was the worst and if I did anything but garbage cruises I’d get it.  Well guess what? Now it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly hal isn’t for you.  I’m always on your side.  Too bad you can’t show the same even if you don’t agree.

The blog is about a cruise on the Westerdam and the last time I looked, that is a Vista Class ship.