Shingles Mark Posted July 7 #1 Share Posted July 7 Would a nice jacket with jeans and smart shoes be ok for the non formal nights ? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Amo Posted July 7 #2 Share Posted July 7 It's not 100% clear in their language (as it could be interpreted in two ways), but it's generally understood that non-ripped jeans are only allowed in the casual spots, like the buffet, Golden Lion etc. Safer to go with smarter trousers. Also, not wanting to be appear to be a pedant, but it's useful for the understanding/interpretation, the non-formal nights are 'smart attire' not 'smart casual'. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakesregion Posted July 7 #3 Share Posted July 7 Probably one of he worst things cruise lines ever did was to try and define a dress code without defining a dress code by calling clothing "Smat" be it casual or attire in general. Ask for a definition in each of the 50 US states and in each of the economic demographics within those states and you will get totally different definitions. Then expand that to all cultures in the world and all countrys in the world and one can see that it is hopeless to hang a satisfactory definition of a phrase that has all the substance of fog. The best solution for those who are uncertain would be to look at the photos of passengers on the line's advertising and brochures and follow what those people are wearing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare D&N Posted July 7 #4 Share Posted July 7 30 minutes ago, Shingles Mark said: Would a nice jacket with jeans and smart shoes be ok for the non formal nights ? Mark The dress code suggestion in the daily programme specifically mentions jeans every night as being acceptable in certain casual venues: "Of course, if you prefer to spend tonight in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues are available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Golden Lion Pub, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, and G32. Please note that non-ripped jeans are appropriate,...". It doesn't specify them for the "Smart attire" code, but I think it's unlikely that the outfit you describe would be turned away from other venues, assuming the jeans concerned are not ripped, dirty or overly faded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted July 7 #5 Share Posted July 7 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Lakesregion said: Probably one of he worst things cruise lines ever did was to try and define a dress code without defining a dress code by calling clothing "Smat" be it casual or attire in general. Ask for a definition in each of the 50 US states and in each of the economic demographics within those states and you will get totally different definitions. Then expand that to all cultures in the world and all countrys in the world and one can see that it is hopeless to hang a satisfactory definition of a phrase that has all the substance of fog. The best solution for those who are uncertain would be to look at the photos of passengers on the line's advertising and brochures and follow what those people are wearing. Quote The best solution for those who are uncertain would be to look at the photos of passengers on the line's advertising and brochures and follow what those people are wearing.' Look at the advertising blurb, certainly but bear in mind these are posed for photos by models who have access 'to wardrobe', something I experienced first hand Sept '19 in the Med when QV was the focus of a Cunard photo shoot and when I complimented a model on her beautiful Fortuny style dress, her reply? Oh this thing? I got it from wardrobe! So for those who have access 'to wardrobe', great, emulate the photos. For the rest of us, we'll do our best with what we have in our own wardrobe and the advisories from Cunard. Edited July 7 by Victoria2 added first paragraph to my comment 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 2BACRUISER Posted July 7 #6 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Shingles Mark said: Would a nice jacket with jeans and smart shoes be ok for the non formal nights ? Mark My DH wore very dark denim or black jeans on smart attire nights on QV often with a jacket and tie or a long sleeved shirt. Hth 👍 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses0 Posted July 7 #7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, 2BACRUISER said: My DH wore very dark denim or black jeans on smart attire nights on QV often with a jacket and tie or a long sleeved shirt. Hth 👍 🙂 So did I. Not denim but nice dark jeans with long sleeve shirt and jacket. Wore the jacket because its sometimes cold in the MD 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exlondoner Posted July 8 #8 Share Posted July 8 10 hours ago, moses0 said: So did I. Not denim but nice dark jeans with long sleeve shirt and jacket. Wore the jacket because its sometimes cold in the MD 🙂 I never under any possible circumstances wear any sort of trouser, but I always assumed that part of the definition of what jeans were was that they needed to be made of denim. So this is interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted July 8 #9 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, exlondoner said: I never under any possible circumstances wear any sort of trouser, but I always assumed that part of the definition of what jeans were was that they needed to be made of denim. So this is interesting. Exlonder you are righr . If trousers are made of denim they are jeans, jeans don't have to be blue , that's why some cruise lines say no denim to make it clear. If they are not denim they are not jeans I just don't understand the "CAN I GET AWAY WITH IT QUESTIONS" or ANSWER by people saying they got away with it Yes people have got away with black jeans because they don't look like jeans at first glance and Maitre D is busy. But jeans of any colour are against the rules and if spotted when Maitre D is not busy you may end up having to eat in buffet or pub for rest of holida. if you have no proper trousers. Yes you can often get away with lots of things. But why not just make life simple and follow the dress code. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses0 Posted July 8 #10 Share Posted July 8 Not trying to "get away" with anything. 🙂 My "jeans" look more like trousers than jeans and though I say it myself I looked as proper as anyone better than some. 🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PORT ROYAL Posted July 8 #11 Share Posted July 8 (edited) 45 minutes ago, moses0 said: Not trying to "get away" with anything. 🙂 My "jeans" look more like trousers than jeans and though I say it myself I looked as proper as anyone better than some. 🙂 Note one confirmed one’s appearance was better than “some”. Were the “some” in the Buffet? Edited July 8 by PORT ROYAL Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted July 8 #12 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, moses0 said: Not trying to "get away" with anything. 🙂 My "jeans" look more like trousers than jeans and though I say it myself I looked as proper as anyone better than some. 🙂 I know what you mean. My white fine denim jeans needed close observation to note they were actually denim and to be honest, jeans and in reality no one was going to get that close up and personal! They passed evening muster for years in QG pre Covid! I gave up wearing them as I can't be bothered packing white evening trousers but if a microscopic investigation is required to determine the fabric and style of the trousers, then ignore the detractors. Just avoid obvious denim jeans! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare D&N Posted July 8 #13 Share Posted July 8 I own two pairs of black denim jeans, which I wear during the coldest parts of winter around the house and perhaps to go out to the supermarket. I wouldn't argue that anyone should be wearing jeans at any time aboard a Cunard ship, and I certainly wouldn't consider doing so! However I don't see anywhere that it says they are against the rules. I often quote from the daily programmes, which to me are the clearest guide to what should be worn, and for men on Smart Attire nights it simply reads: "we request you wear collared shirt and trousers". I'm of the impression that the definition of trousers refers to the general shape of the garment rather than the fabric. I would prefer that folk didn't wear jeans in the evenings on Cunard, but I probably wouldn't notice anyway, and I'm not sure there's any rule prohibiting it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TouchstoneFeste Posted July 8 #14 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, moses0 said: Not trying to "get away" with anything. 🙂 My "jeans" look more like trousers than jeans and though I say it myself I looked as proper as anyone better than some. 🙂 I agree with you in spirit - I often wear "smart" grey or black jeans with a sport coat to the theater or concerts in the U.S. - but they really do violate the letter of the law. I don't wear them in the evenings on Cunard in spite of the fact that I think I look much better in them than I do in dress trousers. I disagree with you @D&N 14 minutes ago, D&N said: "we request you wear collared shirt and trousers". I think the message is clear. I think the "request" is just a polite way of saying "Don't do this". And even I - a dedicated jeans guy - don't think jeans are trousers. If Cunard didn't think it mattered, they would just leave the term off the description of acceptable wear. They'd just say "we request you wear collared shirt", period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted July 8 #15 Share Posted July 8 Apologies, I'm sure it used to say no jeans, but you are right that rule must have gone . As jeans are a type of trousers, they must therefore be allowed, even good old blue jeans. As no mention is made of trousers colour Only mention is no ripped jeans (but presumably you can have ripped trousers as they are not mentioned, ha ha) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exlondoner Posted July 8 #16 Share Posted July 8 1 minute ago, TouchstoneFeste said: I agree with you in spirit - I often wear "smart" grey or black jeans with a sport coat to the theater or concerts in the U.S. - but they really do violate the letter of the law. I don't wear them in the evenings on Cunard in spite of the fact that I think I look much better in them than I do in dress trousers. I disagree with you @D&N I think the message is clear. I think the "request" is just a polite way of saying "Don't do this". And even I - a dedicated jeans guy - don't think jeans are trousers. If Cunard didn't think it mattered, they would just leave the term off the description of acceptable wear. They'd just say "we request you wear collared shirt", period. No, ‘request’ here is surely a polite way of saying , ‘Do do this.’ Surely jeans are a sub category of trousers in a way shorts aren’t. I suspect what they don’t want is people turning up for dinner in shorts, hence the mention of trousers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TouchstoneFeste Posted July 8 #17 Share Posted July 8 2 minutes ago, exlondoner said: No, ‘request’ here is surely a polite way of saying , ‘Do do this.’ Surely jeans are a sub category of trousers in a way shorts aren’t. I suspect what they don’t want is people turning up for dinner in shorts, hence the mention of trousers. I'll respectfully disagree. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted July 8 #18 Share Posted July 8 (edited) I have a different opinion, I think jeans violate the spirit of the dress code, but thats a personal interpretation. However they don't violate letter of the dress code so therefore must be allowed. Jeans are certainly a subset of the wider class :- trousers Edited July 8 by Windsurfboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NE John Posted July 9 #19 Share Posted July 9 Trousers tend to be tailored, jeans not so much. I believe Cunard requests a more tailored look after 6pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WantedOnVoyage Posted July 9 #20 Share Posted July 9 The reality is: we care more about the "dress code" than anyone at Cunard ashore or afloat. During three plus week aboard QUEEN VICTORIA in May there was NO effort at enforcement of it by any staff member, in any public venue. None. Shorts and tees during Gala Nights. Not common but not exceptional, either. Indeed, I saw passengers so attired in the company of cruise staff. "Hey Guys"... Cunard doesn't care about their dress code. Or those of us who do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldBear Posted July 9 #21 Share Posted July 9 And just to confuse the issue - Wrangler has a 'Dress Jean' - and its not denim I have worn black jeans on smart attire [casual] nights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses0 Posted July 9 #22 Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, PORT ROYAL said: Note one confirmed one’s appearance was better than “some”. Were the “some” in the Buffet? 😀 twas a joke Next time I'm aboard I'll purposely stop by the Maitre D and ask if I'm ok in my get up. If not I will dash right back to my room and done my trousers. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john watson Posted July 9 #23 Share Posted July 9 I think the key word should be Denim. Anyone thinking can I wear whatever should be thinking upgrade to something smarter Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare elmsliebev Posted July 9 #24 Share Posted July 9 (edited) I wore white jeans on my first night on QA (Aranya restaurant) and last night (MDR) recently. Each time teamed with sparkly sandals and a bright, dressy top. You'd have to be pretty close up to realise they were jeans rather than white trousers, they're stretchy, extremely comfortable and fold up small for my day bag when disembarking. They also have a little bit of silver sparkle on the pocket - maybe that makes the difference 😀 I wouldn't however wear my usual blue denim jeans that I'd wear at home. Every other night I wore a dress of some sort, either formal or less so. Edited July 9 by elmsliebev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeBeetle24 Posted July 9 #25 Share Posted July 9 On 7/7/2024 at 8:09 PM, Shingles Mark said: Would a nice jacket with jeans and smart shoes be ok for the non formal nights ? Mark You'll get a lot of conflicting responses. But your suggestion would fall within the dress code as stated on the Cunard website. A jacket is optional. Jeans are acceptable (if not torn, darker denim tends to be smarter) and smart shoes - altogether your suggestion would be a nice outfit for non-gala evenings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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