TRLD Posted August 12 #101 Share Posted August 12 58 minutes ago, terrydtx said: Not my idea of a vacation 13 nights in a windowless cave. 🤑 Maybe not, but the entire point is that mass market cruise lines are resilient during economic downturns. One reason is because of such low price alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeStack1 Posted August 12 #102 Share Posted August 12 Sometimes the vast number of room choices gives me paralysis by analysis. Its nice that there's a room for every taste though. From that 'windowless cave' to that 'huge waste of money' suite. I kid on both quotes. Each makes no sense and all the sense in the world to different people. I do believe deals are rarer at the moment which is bad for everyone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Roz Posted August 12 #103 Share Posted August 12 36 minutes ago, cruisemom42 said: A windowless cave is fine for sleeping and dressing and truthfully that's about all I use a cabin for. Everyone's different... And for those of us sailing solo and paying double, that may be all we can afford. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted August 12 #104 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Roz said: And for those of us sailing solo and paying double, that may be all we can afford. And, to add, that is a number one consideration for many. Including me. I'm certainly not poor but have priorities other than cruising. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRLD Posted August 12 #105 Share Posted August 12 14 minutes ago, albingirl said: And, to add, that is a number one consideration for many. Including me. I'm certainly not poor but have priorities other than cruising. We sail in everything from insides to suites depending upon the line, and the cruise itinerary. The one advantage for an inside is that they are quiet. No outside house from wind, neighbors talking on balcony, balcony furniture banging on dividers, tender operations, etc. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted August 12 #106 Share Posted August 12 25 minutes ago, TRLD said: We sail in everything from insides to suites depending upon the line, and the cruise itinerary. The one advantage for an inside is that they are quiet. No outside house from wind, neighbors talking on balcony, balcony furniture banging on dividers, tender operations, etc. Slamming doors at all hours when you have a balcony is a real downer. Outside cabins on a lower deck are much quieter. But, I do take a balcony on a long cruise, in spite of it all lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted August 12 #107 Share Posted August 12 6 hours ago, terrydtx said: Not my idea of a vacation 13 nights in a windowless cave. 🤑 You are lucky. The tiniest sliver of light wakes me. I can sleep through noise and motion but not light. I welcome the dark oasis. In recent years it has become increasingly difficult to find a large enough interior cabin to suit me. The older HAL ships still have spacious insides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90scruzer Posted August 13 #108 Share Posted August 13 On 8/9/2024 at 2:20 PM, oakridger said: Is this true? I wonder what the data will report for last two quarters of 2024. I have been land traveling most of this summer and I still "feel like" hotel prices are what I consider pretty "high" compared to the per day cruise prices on HAL. Restaurant prices are way up as well. On a cruise, besides a room, I get all the food, entertainment and with HIA the drinks! Then of course, I also put a large added value on just being on the ocean every day. ~Nancy same here. but I keep hearing it is coming. note that the experts have been saying that are well over a year late on realizing it. some people (like over 50% of American's) believe that the economy is horribly worse than 2020. Actuality is that it depends. for people on this board, I'd hazard that they are generally better off. I know for me it depends on how I orient my glasses :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRLD Posted August 13 #109 Share Posted August 13 57 minutes ago, 90scruzer said: same here. but I keep hearing it is coming. note that the experts have been saying that are well over a year late on realizing it. some people (like over 50% of American's) believe that the economy is horribly worse than 2020. Actuality is that it depends. for people on this board, I'd hazard that they are generally better off. I know for me it depends on how I orient my glasses :P. Are they rose colored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keysey222 Posted August 13 #110 Share Posted August 13 The pricing on HAL's newer ships is steep compared to what they are charging on the older ships. We booked, then ultimately canceled, a British Isles cruise for 2025 on the Nieuw Statendam. It was $21,800 for 3 of us in a Neptune for 14-days (including the HIA package). When HAL started changing ports, we decided it was too expensive to pay for port substitutions we didn't want and booked a Med cruise with Celebrity instead. Last week, we booked a 14-day Greek Isles/Egypt cruise for 2026 with HAL at $16,000 for 3 of us (with HIA) on the Oosterdam. The only reason I'm still sailing with HAL is they've been able to woo me with certain itineraries that other lines don't offer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 13 Author #111 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, keysey222 said: The pricing on HAL's newer ships is steep compared to what they are charging on the older ships. We booked, then ultimately canceled, a British Isles cruise for 2025 on the Nieuw Statendam. It was $21,800 for 3 of us in a Neptune for 14-days (including the HIA package). When HAL started changing ports, we decided it was too expensive to pay for port substitutions we didn't want and booked a Med cruise with Celebrity instead. Last week, we booked a 14-day Greek Isles/Egypt cruise for 2026 with HAL at $16,000 for 3 of us (with HIA) on the Oosterdam. The only reason I'm still sailing with HAL is they've been able to woo me with certain itineraries that other lines don't offer. Yes HAL does offer great itineraries ,then they charge accordingly. We see the prices the way they are all do to the debt load that all the cruise lines are carrying . to stay afloat & pay down the debt they amassed from the covid shutdown ,this is the result imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorenceItaly Posted August 13 #112 Share Posted August 13 Interesting development....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted August 13 #113 Share Posted August 13 (edited) On 8/12/2024 at 10:16 AM, TRLD said: Maybe not, but the entire point is that mass market cruise lines are resilient during economic downturns. One reason is because of such low price alternatives. Huh? I thought your entire point was... I stand behind my comment that the above statement is both misleading and factually incorrect (as are many of your non-referenced 'numbers'). In the words of @Roz, I'm going to just drop this topic now in hopes of avoiding another financial analysis seminar and will try to do better avoiding participating in financial discussions. PS: I never doubted that cruise lines were resilient (and they still are). Nor do I feel all cruise financials are 'doom and gloom'. I'm sort of a happy medium girl :). Edited August 13 by BermudaBound2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted August 13 #114 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, FlorenceItaly said: Interesting development....... Very interesting indeed. I just did a search for news of the mariner number merge and found nothing. I do know a journalist at cruise hive who I have reached out to on occasion. I'm going to send this to her in case she hasn't read it yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRLD Posted August 13 #115 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Huh? I thought your entire point was... I stand behind my comment that the above statement is both misleading and factually incorrect (as are many of your non-referenced 'numbers'). In the words of @Roz, I'm going to just drop this topic now in hopes of avoiding another financial analysis seminar and will try to do better avoiding participating in financial discussions. PS: I never doubted that cruise lines were resilient (and they still are). Too funny. While i used the Caenival PLC data set the numbers you posted say basically the same thing. The impact of the recession was limited. The cruise line continued to expand in both capacity and number of passengers even during the recession. While gross revenue did drop in the second year of the recession (the same year when swine flu h1n1 was causing problems) it did not drop below 2007 the year before the recession. In 2010 it was almost back to the 2008 number and climbed after that point. So both dats sets the UK and the US basically say the same thing the recession had limited impact on CCL compared to other travel companies such as airlines or hotels. I seem to recall you questioning CCLs abilility to withstand a down turn. Edited August 13 by TRLD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90scruzer Posted August 13 #116 Share Posted August 13 14 hours ago, TRLD said: Are they rose colored? only time will tell! my invention of a Time Machine have utterly failed to mature, so I muddle forward in time the best I can 😄 2 hours ago, FlorenceItaly said: Interesting development....... I just checked - at least mine are not the same ... yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Hlitner Posted August 13 #117 Share Posted August 13 We just checked (5* Mariners and Princess Elite) and our HAL number has not changed! We still have separate numbers for each line. Seabourn also has its own number. Hank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 13 Author #118 Share Posted August 13 4 hours ago, FlorenceItaly said: Interesting development... what will that mean for each cruise line on board cash credits & on board perks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorenceItaly Posted August 13 #119 Share Posted August 13 Just now, mcrcruiser said: 4 hours ago, FlorenceItaly said: Interesting development... what will that mean for each cruise line on board cash credits & on board perks ? I wonder the same thing. I would hate to lose our 4 star Mariner perks. We have three upcoming cruises. However, we are about done with cruising but this is a whole other subject, LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 13 Author #120 Share Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, FlorenceItaly said: I wonder the same thing. I would hate to lose our 4 star Mariner perks. We have three upcoming cruises. However, we are about done with cruising but this is a whole other subject, LOL. Yes we understand as we are getting to a age point yet we stil can get to our home port with out flying . About combining Princess & Holland points ,Long ago RCL & Celebrity are one in the same which meant you got your tier for on board perks no matter which line you sailed .so perhaps that will be the case with Princess & HAL combining but we will see how it all rolls out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRLD Posted August 13 #121 Share Posted August 13 32 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said: Yes we understand as we are getting to a age point yet we stil can get to our home port with out flying . About combining Princess & Holland points ,Long ago RCL & Celebrity are one in the same which meant you got your tier for on board perks no matter which line you sailed .so perhaps that will be the case with Princess & HAL combining but we will see how it all rolls out . With RCL and Celebrity they do not combine points. You earn status seperately with each line. They will give you the highest status you have earned on either line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 14 Author #122 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, TRLD said: With RCL and Celebrity they do not combine points. You earn status seperately with each line. They will give you the highest status you have earned on either line. To clarify if you are Elite on Celebrity you get the diamond perks on board a RCL ship /We are Elite Plus with Celebrity ;however ,when we dailed on a RCL ship we did not get Diamond Plus but just Diamond .It made no difference to us as long as we were able to go into the Diamond Lounge . Yes Dia,omd Plus does get some extra on board perks but not imortant to us . Since we no longer can fly ,we no longer wish to go to San pedro ,LA area to board a RCL ship .Parking there for handicap people is not very good & my personal experience sailing on a Celebrity ship from that terminal was not good at all . It was not the ship but the side walk loading & unloading that needed vast improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 14 Author #123 Share Posted August 14 We never will sail Princess again because of their Ocean Ready /Medallion .You must place all pre boarding info on Ocean Ready .ie .Candidly ,I am too old to learn new tech tricks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted August 14 #124 Share Posted August 14 7 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said: We never will sail Princess again because of their Ocean Ready /Medallion .You must place all pre boarding info on Ocean Ready .ie .Candidly ,I am too old to learn new tech tricks . This has all gotten confusing. Mercury is in retrograde right now and we are in the middle of that. World is upside down. So is this thread.... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted August 14 Author #125 Share Posted August 14 Imo the justification for current cruise ship cabin prices is the inflation rates over the last 3 plus years comparing the inflation to pre covid cruise fares . So if inflation can be tamed & reduced then we will see what impact that may or may not have on cruise fares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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