Royal Caribbean orders new Icon Class of 5,000 pax LNG fueled ships

I would not expect RCCL to leave the Tampa and Baltimore markets over ship size. When they get to point where they are retiring the ships that would fit under the bridges I would guess they will build new ships to meet those market requirements.

 

 

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I don't know. Tampa is somewhat a redundant market, the prices are generally low, wonder how profitable it really is?

Yikes!

Hydrogen and Liquefied Natural Gas, the smoking lamp will be permanently extinguished.

B.L.E.V.E. of the Seas would be a good name.

I don't know. Tampa is somewhat a redundant market, the prices are generally low, wonder how profitable it really is?

One thing that is interesting about Tampa is that it replicates a cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale. Exactly- ports, times, etc. And it's been doing that for a long time.

Seems like the best feature of Tampa is Tampa itself, which is also a problem with the storms and fog as well. But it's a very nice port to sail out of.

But, as seen in New Orleans, that's not a feature that is valued so much.

As for ship size, I don't see the smaller ones going away- too many high value cruises available only to the smaller ships- one can deal with nominal prices when you can get some premium ones for Eastern Med, Canada, and Canada/NE cruises. We chose an Anthem cruise a month ago, as the 2 day shorter cruise out of Boston (almost same itinerary- just missed New York....) was the exact same price on the Serenade.

There's value to keeping smaller ships.

One thing that is interesting about Tampa is that it replicates a cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale. Exactly- ports, times, etc. And it's been doing that for a long time.

:confused: I don't understand the Ft Lauderdale reference.

It's 150 miles north, about the same as PC.

Royal only does Western trips as far as I know.

Am I missing something?

:confused: I don't understand the Ft Lauderdale reference.

 

It's 150 miles north, about the same as PC.

 

Royal only does Western trips as far as I know.

 

Am I missing something?

It's more a confusion about Tampa. For the most part, it replicates cruises from Ft Lauderale, just on a smaller ship. So it's a natural question why the port is needed. So if small ships are needed. That's all.

Nothing important.

I hope this thread doesn't go too far off the rails, it should have at least a 6 year lifespan.

Insider at RC tells me no pepper grinders on the icon class. So might as well kill this thread now...:p

Neptun Werft issued a press release yesterday (in German). Neptun Werft is part of Meyer and usually the main building site for river cruise ships (Viking longships). In this press release they announce the construction of a new building hall where they are now building the new "power plant" segments for cruise ships. In this press release they state that the largest of the new ship up to 2024 (ships themselves are built either in Papenburg or Turku) will have a BRT of 209,000. And those floating engine room segements will be 140 m long, 16 m high and between 38 and 46 m wide. The new hall will be ready in 2018.

Meyer is also building the LNG ships for the Carnival Group (Costa, AIDA, P&O). Those are announced with a BRT of 180,000. So it´s pretty likely that the Icon Class will have a BRT of 209,000. And as the segments are 38 to 46 m wide I´d say the Icon Class will be 46 m wide.

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Neptun Werft issued a press release yesterday (in German). Neptun Werft is part of Meyer and usually the main building site for river cruise ships (Viking longships). In this press release they announce the construction of a new building hall where they are now building the new "power plant" segments for cruise ships. In this press release they state that the largest of the new ship up to 2024 (ships themselves are built either in Papenburg or Turku) will have a BRT of 209,000. And those floating engine room segements will be 140 m long, 16 m high and between 38 and 46 m wide. The new hall will be ready in 2018.

 

Meyer is also building the LNG ships for the Carnival Group (Costa, AIDA, P&O). Those are announced with a BRT of 180,000. So it´s pretty likely that the Icon Class will have a BRT of 209,000. And as the segments are 38 to 46 m wide I´d say the Icon Class will be 46 m wide.

 

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Thanks for the update.

Yes, surprised RCI didn't go for an Edge class derivative. It will be weird to think that Voayger class could be the smallest ship in the RCI fleet by the time Icon comes out.

Isn't Radiance class smaller than Voyager class?

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I can't see this happening. The Radiance class ships are still in good shape. They seem pretty. Popular to me.

I would imagine that the Radiance class ships start to call in Cuba.

What I'd really love to see are Oasis Class cruises that are more than 7 days leaving from Florida.

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Isn't Radiance class smaller than Voyager class?

 

 

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Yes, considerably smaller.

Ahhhh! Too big!

 

Please order a smaller ship or 2 for those who don't like cruising on shopping malls!

We've sailed on every class ship and really prefer the Vision and Radiance Class. Staff by far friendlier and they get to know all the Guests by name! Larger ships are great for families but at this stage in life, I don't want to feel like I'm at an amusement park or mall! We want to see the ocean from the public areas so we feel like we're actually on a ship in the middle of the ocean.

We've sailed on every class ship and really prefer the Vision and Radiance Class. Staff by far friendlier and they get to know all the Guests by name! Larger ships are great for families but at this stage in life, I don't want to feel like I'm at an amusement park or mall! We want to see the ocean from the public areas so we feel like we're actually on a ship in the middle of the ocean.

Rhapsody Aft

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Isn't Radiance class smaller than Voyager class?

Yes, and by the time Icon class arrives, most Radiance ships will be around 20 years old, the typical time RCI keeps ships. They may also be some of the oldest in the fleet (assuming Empress, Majesty and all Vision class are gone - a good possibility). So my assumption was that Radiance class would be leaving the fleet around that time and Voyager class may be the smallest at that time. While some Voyager class are about the same vintage, RCI probably makes more money on those than Radiance so the assumption there is that of two ships of the same age the smaller one is likely to go.

I once asked a dear pinnacle friend which was her favorite ship.

 

Her reply: "The one I am currently on". :D

Very Astute. I have enjoyed every ship we have sailed....except the CCL one. Doesn't matter how big or small they are...they were all enjoyable.

We've sailed on every class ship and really prefer the Vision and Radiance Class. Staff by far friendlier and they get to know all the Guests by name! Larger ships are great for families but at this stage in life, I don't want to feel like I'm at an amusement park or mall! We want to see the ocean from the public areas so we feel like we're actually on a ship in the middle of the ocean.

You must not walk about much. I see the ocean from all the upper and outer decks and our cabin on every ship we sail. In fact the only public spaces that don't have the ocean view available are the casinos and the theaters...for obvious reasons. But they all have windows, albeit draperies that are pulled. Oh yeah, maybe the Central Park area. But that never bothered me. The main reason we cruise is to see the Big Blue.

That is why the prices keep climbing and we look elsewhere.

^ a ship 5 years away has probably no affect on prices today.

 

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Can't wait for next June when we have this corner aft junior suite booked on rhapsody. More pics please!

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Can't wait for next June when we have this corner aft junior suite booked on rhapsody. More pics please!

 

 

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I posted several in the Show us your Aft thread

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We know from earlier this year that Royal Caribbean has ordered to ICON class ships to be delivered in 2022 and 2024. I know it's pure speculation at this point, but just thought it would be fun to hear what people think the layout will be like, what types of innovative new things RC will put on board, etc. Thoughts?

Running thread:

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2411505&highlight=icon

A search of the government's trademark database has turned up a number of new ship names registered to Royal Caribbean. Although they may not use all of these names, the fact that RCI has trademarked them means some may be used for upcoming ships. Here's what is currently on order for Royal Caribbean:

Symphony of the Seas (Oasis-class) 2018

Spectrum of the Seas (Quantum-class) 2019

Unnamed (Quantum-class) 2020

Unnamed (Oasis-class) 2021

Unnamed (Icon-class) 2022

Unnamed (Icon-class) 2024

Here are the trademarked names:

Emblem of the Seas

Passion of the Seas

Pulse of the Seas

Apex of the Seas

Joy of the Seas

Icon of the Seas

Valhalla of the Seas

Sunrise of the Seas

A search of the government's trademark database has turned up a number of new ship names registered to Royal Caribbean. Although they may not use all of these names, the fact that RCI has trademarked them means some may be used for upcoming ships. Here's what is currently on order for Royal Caribbean:

 

Symphony of the Seas (Oasis-class) 2018

Spectrum of the Seas (Quantum-class) 2019

Unnamed (Quantum-class) 2020

Unnamed (Oasis-class) 2021

Unnamed (Icon-class) 2022

Unnamed (Icon-class) 2024

 

Here are the trademarked names:

 

Emblem of the Seas

Passion of the Seas

Pulse of the Seas

Apex of the Seas

Joy of the Seas

Icon of the Seas

Valhalla of the Seas

Sunrise of the Seas

I'll take a wild guess that Icon of the Seas will be the first of that class.

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Unlikely. Radiance is about 20% larger by volume than Majesty. Passenger capacity routinely gets quoted sometimes as double occupancy capacity and sometimes as maximum (all bunks) capacity. Often the capacity numbers don't specify which measurement, so it's very easy to compare apples to oranges.

Maximum is not all bunks, but based on lifeboat capacity.