New airline rules

[m steve]

Going thru most airport security, the TSA employees look like the people that many want profiled to be closely checked before boarding and the rest look like retired cops talking to each other and ignoring the back up in the lines. Again the people screening carry ons getting on board don't seem much better.

[sapper1]

That's our government for ya, Rich!

 

Four men, an engineer, an acountant, a chemist and a government worker were bragging about how smart their dogs were.

 

To show off, the engineer called to his dog and said, "T-Square, do your stuff." T-square trotted over to a desk, took out some paper and a pen and promptly drew a circle, a square and a triangle. Everyone agreed that was pretty smart.

 

But the accountant said his dog could do better. He called his dog and said, "Slide Rule, do your stuff." Slide Rule went out into the kitchen and returned with a dozen cookies. He divided them into 4 equal piles of 3 cookies each. Everyone agreed that was good.

 

But the chemist said his dog could do better. He called his dog and said, "Measure, do your stuff." Measure got up, walked over to the fridge, took out a quart of milk, got a 10 ounce glass from the cupboard and poured exactly 8 ounces without spilling a drop. Everyone agreed that was good.

 

Then the three men turned to the government worker and said, "What can your dog do?" The government worker called to his dog and said, "Coffee Break, do your stuff." Coffee Break jumped to his feet, ate the cookies, drank the milk, dumped on the paper, molested the other three dogs, claimed he injured his back while doing so, filed a grievance report for unsafe working conditions, put in for worker's compensation and went home on sick leave.

I heard a variation on that joke which involved an OPP dog, a Toronto Police dog and an RCMP dog----the RCMP dog being the bad guy----and when he was done he held a press conference.

[Ytra]

I flew on this past Sunday from a moderately-sized Canadian city to Minneapolis, and this is what I encountered: U.S. Customs and Immigration at the Canadian airport was a breeze; however, the security side took 45 minutes due to each and every bag (purses -- of all sizes, computer bags -- of all sizes, and even briefcases), as well as shoes, cameras, and coats, being methodically searched, as well as each passenger having his/her hands swiped with that little cloth-thingy that is supposed to detect explosives. In addition, about every fifth passenger got the lovely pat-down.

[Copper10-8]

I heard a variation on that joke which involved an OPP dog, a Toronto Police dog and an RCMP dog----the RCMP dog being the bad guy----and when he was done he held a press conference.

 

What? No Surete de Quebec dog in there? Cela n'est pas correct!;) Good one though!:)

[joe122]

I actually work for an international airlinein Australia, and have not heard of no carry on luggage in the cabin. I have heard where there is extra security screening of carry on luggage and persons besided the xray machines and metal detectors

 

Cheers

 

Michael

 

 

Is anyone paying attention to what this fellow has said?

[wilsonqbc]

Its only for USA bound flights

[MalNZ]

Michael

We will be flying on V Australia to LA, through Melbourne in March, do you know if there is a restriction for hand luggage for the Melbourne - LA flight? We are travelling with two children, so no hand luggage would be terrible - a very long flight. Especially that when we arrive in LA, we will be flying to Fort Lauderdale.

Thanks

Mal NZ

[joe122]

I just looked at TSA website and I didn't see they were no longer permitting carry-ons.

 

I looked at Jet Blue website and missed it there as well. :confused:

 

Yes, but I did the same thing as sail7; I see no changes except some references to ONE carry-on item permitted. I cannot find a single word about standard carry-on bags no longer permitted on international flights.

[sapper1]

Yes, but I did the same thing as sail7; I see no changes except some references to ONE carry-on item permitted. I cannot find a single word about standard carry-on bags no longer permitted on international flights.

It only applies on flights from Canada to the US.

[world~citizen]

Yes, but I did the same thing as sail7; I see no changes except some references to ONE carry-on item permitted. I cannot find a single word about standard carry-on bags no longer permitted on international flights.

 

TSA is responsible for flights originating in the USA where the new carry-on rules don't apply.

[Zappa Fan]

Going thru most airport security, the TSA employees look like the people that many want profiled to be closely checked before boarding and the rest look like retired cops talking to each other and ignoring the back up in the lines.

 

Agreed. Early last week I was directed to a smoking lounge in the Cinci airport. It turned out to be myself, one other passenger and about 8 TSA agents.

 

It was EXTREMELY uncomfortable. Listening to their stories, vulgarity (men and women) and picking up on their seemingly disdain for passengers, I left the room. They were very unprofessional. I actually felt bad for the TSA that these losers had their uniforms on. :(

[pms4104]

Agreed. Early last week I was directed to a smoking lounge in the Cinci airport. It turned out to be myself, one other passenger and about 8 TSA agents.

 

It was EXTREMELY uncomfortable. Listening to their stories, vulgarity (men and women) and picking up on their seemingly disdain for passengers, I left the room. They were very unprofessional. I actually felt bad for the TSA that these losers had their uniforms on. :(

Oh, those beautiful blue uniforms with the real metal badge ... because the screeners felt the previous white shirts with the embroidered logo/badge were schlocky and unprofessional and made them look like janitors.

 

Yeah, their demeanor often leaves much to be desired.

[cruz chic]

I'm am simply amazed that after 16 pages on this thread that there are still some that don't get the fact that these regs are for Canadians flying into the US and that is why many Canadians are upset. For those that didn't see the CATSA website the many other times it was posted here it is:

 

http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/Page.aspx?ID=77&pname=measures_mesures&lang=en

 

I hope that everyone will be able to "get it" soon:rolleyes:.

[Zappa Fan]

Yikes, Lorkauf. :eek: Excuse the thread drift. :rolleyes:

[cruz chic]

Yikes, Lorkauf. :eek: Excuse the thread drift. :rolleyes:

What??????????

[robertmnch]

I just looked at TSA website and I didn't see they were no longer permitting carry-ons.

 

I looked at Jet Blue website and missed it there as well. :confused:

 

The "NO-Carry-On" applies for flights from Canada to the U.S. If you need any details, call: 1-888-294-2202. This is Canada's version of TSA and they will answer any of your questions from Meds to Baby Diapers!:p I don't know if this applies to other countries!:confused:

[robertmnch]

I read that Air Canada is waiving the fee for an extra bag (carry on) on their Website. Are all the airlines flying from Canada to the US following the same example?

 

I would hate to have my laptop and all my camera equipment not with me.

 

The comment by the Reverend was very rude! We are a select group of over 65 year olds, and our organizational thinking isn't quite up to speed.:mad:

U.S. TSA has tightened up security, but coming from Canada, you have to have a 'tiny" bag for your essentials like a camera, baby food, Meds., etc. Please call Canada's TSA for exact info: 1-888-294-2202. They also have a website for all of the Carry-On allowed!:)

[cruz chic]

. They also have a website for all of the Carry-On allowed!:)

See my post (#302) just a couple above for the website.

[mudscraper]

I'm am simply amazed that after 16 pages on this thread that there are still some that don't get the fact that these regs are for Canadians flying into the US and that is why many Canadians are upset. For those that didn't see the CATSA website the many other times it was posted here it is:

 

http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/Page.aspx?ID=77&pname=measures_mesures&lang=en

 

I hope that everyone will be able to "get it" soon:rolleyes:.

Yes we get it.

Some of your posts infer that the "no Carry ons for Canadian passengers" rule was ordered upon your country by the U.S. Nonsense, this decision was made by Canadian authorities.

You even post about " an even playing field" for carryon luggage with U.S. passengers. Will that make you feel better if we can`t have any carryon luggage?

 

I do sympathize with your carryon situation but your anger should be directed north of the border, towards your officials.

 

 

Rich

[Ya Ya Cruiser]

Hi Folks,

 

Just felt the need to chime in again. I think those that understand the issue here get that we Canucks are a little perturbed by this turn of events. I mean, truly, they'd be better off banning carry on from Yemen than Canada, for all the good it will do.........but that's just another b----y comment from the for what it's worth dept.

 

So, we can't take carryon luggage on the plane; Air Canada and Westjet - and maybe others - those are the only two I know of for sure - allow us to check our carry on bags for free to make up for it - not bad, inconvenient to find a qualifying bag for the plane, but - it could be worse - they could try and charge us for that third bag. And then we have a lovely cruise (We're on the Rotterdam, but I'm an optimist), and then we land back in the US to fly home - and guess what - we're allowed to take carryon because we're flying from the US into Canada. Bonus!! Now I can be sure to buy that extremely fragile, very breakable, but absolutely must have souvenir and carry it with me on the plane (that was my biggest worry by the way:D). So, ya know, it's annoying - more as a matter of principle than anything else, but hey, there are worse problems........

 

Cheers

Ya Ya

(a Canadian born and bred - all hail the Maple Leaf :D:D:D)

[Copper10-8]

Somewhat connected and not just for our neighbors up north;):

This week, Delta AL, quickly copied by Continental AL, raised fees for bags checked at the airport to $25 for the first bag and $35 for the second, for travel within the U.S., U.S. Virgin Islands, Canada, and Puerto Rico (It's $2 less if you check in online.):eek:

[world~citizen]

Yes we get it.

Some of your posts infer that the "no Carry ons for Canadian passengers" rule was ordered upon your country by the U.S. Nonsense, this decision was made by Canadian authorities.

You even post about " an even playing field" for carryon luggage with U.S. passengers. Will that make you feel better if we can`t have any carryon luggage?

 

I do sympathize with your carryon situation but your anger should be directed north of the border, towards your officials.

 

 

Rich

 

I have to admit that like you, I hate it when people blame the cows for soggy cornflakes. :eek:

 

That is not the case here though. Lorekauf is correct.

 

MightyQuinn on post 62 exlains this. Here's an excerpt from a news release from the TSA website that he provided to this thread:

 

Q: What additional security measures are being taken for international flights to U.S. destinations?

A: TSA issued a directive for additional security measures to be implemented for last point of departure international flights to the United States. Passengers flying into the United States from abroad can expect to see additional security measures at international airports such as increased gate screening including pat-downs and bag searches. During flight, passengers may be asked to follow flight crew instructions, such as stowing personal items, turning off electronic equipment and remaining seated during certain portions of the flight.

 

The Canadian Minister of Transport put in this way in an interview with the press:

 

OTTAWA — Canada has no choice...says Transport Minister John Baird.

 

"If we want Canadian airlines to fly into the United States, and the United States says you've got to do x, y and z, we don't really have a lot of alternative," Baird told CTV's Question Period Sunday.

 

"They're putting these rules on Europeans and everyone else and it is a reality. At the end of the day...they could say, 'Listen, if you don't want to take these new security measures, we'd rather you didn't fly to New York, we'd rather you didn't fly to Washington.'"

 

Some countries are not at all happy. Some in Europe see a whole new round of kiddie porn generating from the images produced by the new scanners. Others question the ability of the equipment to recognize a device such as we have seen in Detroit anyway.

 

The director of the UBC Centre for Transportation studies added this:

 

"They're going to abide by American decisions on this anyway, because otherwise we'll be denied the right to fly over U.S. airspace."

 

...And he cautioned against expecting a return to normal when airport security concerns abate.

 

"In the past, what you see is the memory fades, and gradually there is a relaxation going on," said Gillen, who has advised the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, the U.K. Civil Aviation Authority and Transport Canada.

 

"But I think that in each instance what happens is you move to another threshold. And even with the relaxation, you don't move down to the previous location that you were.

 

"In other words, there's always another layer, there's always another issue that's been added on. So it's almost like walking up a set of stairs, where you're cumulatively building all of the restrictions that are put in place."

 

I am not a security expert and cannot speak to any of this, though I am not convinced with respect to some of the European concerns. The only comment I raised is that if the US wants everyone else in the world to restrict carry-ons, undergo additional body searches, restrict using washrooms on aircraft etc., then wouldn't air travel be so much more safe if flights originating in the US were compelled under the same measures? Should not American policy makers and citizens be demanding similar safe flying practices for themselves?

 

So it is a pretty big issue in Canada and around the world.

 

Every country has a right to decide who gets landing rights and to control its airspace though. And that is how it should be.

 

That is the alpha and omega of the issue.

 

Smooth sailing to you...

[sapper1]

Yes we get it.

Some of your posts infer that the "no Carry ons for Canadian passengers" rule was ordered upon your country by the U.S. Nonsense, this decision was made by Canadian authorities.

You even post about " an even playing field" for carryon luggage with U.S. passengers. Will that make you feel better if we can`t have any carryon luggage?

 

I do sympathize with your carryon situation but your anger should be directed north of the border, towards your officials.

 

 

Rich

That's very interesting as we are told by our government that they are bowing to American TSA requirements. Maybe you have more insight into the workings of our government than we do.

And yes, it would make us feel better if our government imposed the same restrictions on flights into Canada. Then the resulting uproar might make both governments take a common sense approach-----or at least the comments from currently unaffected American travellers which say we shouldn't be upset would stop.

[sparky-elpaso]

That's very interesting as we are told by our government that they are bowing to American TSA requirements. Maybe you have more insight into the workings of our government than we do.

And yes, it would make us feel better if our government imposed the same restrictions on flights into Canada. Then the resulting uproar might make both governments take a common sense approach-----or at least the comments from currently unaffected American travellers which say we shouldn't be upset would stop.

 

I agree with that statement 100%.

 

I do understand your frustration - and the unclear instructions as to what you can carry and how must really be aggravating.

 

And we're doing a lot of comparing apples and oranges - internatonal flights and flights within a countrys borders. I don't think anyone has mentioned this - can you have carry-ons on flights within Canada?

 

From what I read on our TSA website it just mentions "enhanced security - bag searches - pat-downs", etc. Has the Canadian TSA banned carry-ons to avoid the time taken for searches? Rather than our TSA giving specific instructions as to what incoming flights must do?

[YXU AC*SE]

And we're doing a lot of comparing apples and oranges - internatonal flights and flights within a countrys borders. I don't think anyone has mentioned this - can you have carry-ons on flights within Canada?

 

Yes.

 

And to highlight how absurd it is to travel to the United States from Canada currently, here is an interesting series of posts from FlyerTalk this week:

 

 

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1032026-air-canada-travel-advisory-new-u-s-security-procedures-66.html

 

Silliness about papers. Have my own story to tell.

 

Had four sheets of paper clipped together in my laptop bag, passing through YYZ transborder CATSA on the late afternoon of the 7th. CATSA pre-screener insisted in looking in my one small bag (at the 'do you have liquids or gels?' table); saw the papers, insisted that because of papers the bag with contained laptop had to be checked. I expressed my objections, received the 'do you want to fly today?' speech. After further discussion he relented to say that if I just checked the four sheets of paper I could carry the laptop through; my offer to carry them by hand was not good enough for him.

 

Wearing a skirt suit with no pockets, about my only other option was to fold the sheets and tuck them into my brassiere, which I did. That satisfied the CATSA guy and he then waved me onwards.

 

Have now had my meeting down here in BOS, and we have consensed to conduct all further meetings via videoconference and facsimile machines; Air Canada is now out the revenues of our crossborder travel (plus my cross-Canada travel to get to YYZ, another 5.5 hours and two segments each way).

 

CATSA will doubtless have an easier time of things once all those bothersome passengers have stopped travelling.

 

 

Tell me this is a joke!

 

 

Oh, I but wish it were a joke.

 

I was feeling rather upset and a bit fried from already having flown across (steerage class: in middle seat) from the West Coast, and the first think I could think of was the 'park it in the Left Bank' solution, that I sometimes use for carrying little things like flash drives, walking across my office while balancing a coffee cup and a couple of file-folders. Cleavage comes in so very handy, sometimes.

 

The look on the CATSA guy's face was priceless, though. Utter amazement, so much so that he couldn't get back onto his script at all.

 

Dead serious about packing it in for cross-border travel, though. It's trivially easy for me to take Amtrak from Vancouver to Seattle, and then directly across to Boston (via Alaska, if memory serves correctly). Cheaper, too. Only hassle lies in getting to the central railway station for 0530, when the city's light rail system is still in the throes of starting up for the day.

 

 

Utterly amazing how we readily forsake common sense in the name of security.

 

Scott.