White Bay an error?

[spirit28]

Interesting article in the cruise weekly newsletter today. Suppose you didn't have to be Eisenstein to work that one out.

 

Having cruised out of Circular Quay, Barangaroo, White Bay and even Port Melbourne, you have to ask what were they thinking :confused:, and why didn't they realise what was happening with the cruise market (eg trend to increasing sizes of ships), linking of transport infrastructure etc.

 

I know it has been discussed here ad nauseam, but its interesting to see the results of the parliamentary inquiry.

 

Link to article below, along with the text.

 

 

https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/traveldaily/CW/2015/Feb15/cw170215.pdf

 

http://www.cruiseweekly.com.au

Ph: 1300 799 220

Email: info@cruiseweekly.com.au

Editors: Bruce Piper & Katrina Archer

 

White Bay ‘an error’

 

Residents around the White Bay Cruise Terminal in Sydney have been partly vindicated after a parliamentary inquiry labelled positioning a second cruise port at White Bay as “a serious error”.

 

In its final report, the committee recommended fitting the terminal with a shore-to-ship power source to allow berthed vessels to switch off engines overnight.

 

A further conclusion called on cruise lines to develop ways to mitigate noise levels, with limits to be imposed and enforced.

 

Acknowledging the impact of fumes, pollution and noise on local residents, the panel said quality of life on the surrounding community had been impacted.

 

“The committee considers that the decision of the previous government not to have a cruise terminal at Barangaroo to be a serious error... and notes that the original plans for Barangaroo included just such a facility.

 

”It took aim at the Environmental Protection Authority, saying effort to lobby on these matters could have been taken more proactively during the approvals process.

 

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the NSW Government was now considering the report’s conclusions.

 

Carnival Australia said last year it was “stuck with White Bay”, with CEO Ann Sherry saying that White Bay was “a piece in a broken puzzle” and that it had not been properly connected to other vital elements such as transport.

[The_Big_M]

Well, I don't think you heard anyone here advocating it. :-)

 

It's the problem with our governments being beholden to developers. You see it all the time, both before and after that, including the current state government decisions to knock down the Darling Harbour facilities, and now the Newcastle rail line.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-government-rejected-advice-on-newcastle-light-rail-opted-for-developers-preference-20150215-13fnol.html

 

All good infrastructure. All wasted taxpayer money. All to benefit developers.

[Gnomey]

Lets all demand a new terminal at Newcastle. All they need is a bus to the airport and a train station right alongside. Noise and pollution wouldn't be a problem, the local businesses would love it and I would rather catch a train up than fight my way in to White Elephant Bay!

 

Steve.

[MicCanberra]

Bangaroo and Garden Island were opportunities lost.:(

[GUT2407]

And it severely limits the ships that can visit.

[gbenjo]

White Bay ‘an error’

 

Residents around the White Bay Cruise Terminal in Sydney have been partly vindicated after a parliamentary inquiry labelled positioning a second cruise port at White Bay as “a serious error”.

 

In its final report, the committee recommended fitting the terminal with a shore-to-ship power source to allow berthed vessels to switch off engines overnight.

 

A further conclusion called on cruise lines to develop ways to mitigate noise levels, with limits to be imposed and enforced.

 

Acknowledging the impact of fumes, pollution and noise on local residents, the panel said quality of life on the surrounding community had been impacted.

 

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Why only overnight??? There are very few vessels that berth at White Bay overnight.... they are there during the day

 

What noise levels????? Apart from maybe the music played on board the ship which may carry a bit there is no noise...tell the ships to turn the music down or off...easy.

 

So fumes pollution and noise from cruise ships is bad but the fumes pollution and noise from thousands of trucks cars and buses using Victoria Road EVERY day is OK:confused::confused::confused:

 

Someone should have told James Packer there was money to be made from the cruise ship passengers going to his casino and the terminal would have been built at Barrangaroo

 

Kick the navy out of Garden Island (or part of it) ..problem solved Whats the good of a naval base thousands of miles from where our borders may get attacked anyway?

[MicCanberra]

Agreed, so glad I have a OPT check in tomorrow instead of White Bay.:D

[GUT2407]

The one benefit of White Bay is you sail under the Coathanger :D, but I wonder how much longer till most ships can't fit under :eek:.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Another problem of White Bay is that if there are strong winds blowing from certain directions the ships are unable to leave, or come into, the wharf. The harbour is quite narrow at that point plus the ships have to make a right-angle turn opposite Barangaroo.

 

Our December 16th sailaway was delayed 3 hours because of this.

 

What where they thinking :confused: :confused: :confused:

[OzKiwiJJ]

The one benefit of White Bay is you sail under the Coathanger :D, but I wonder how much longer till most ships can't fit under :eek:.

 

That's quite an experience though. Right up until the last moment it really looks as if the ship is not going to fit, then it slides under neatly. Not much clearance though.

[GUT2407]

Another problem of White Bay is that if there are strong winds blowing from certain directions the ships are unable to leave, or come into, the wharf. The harbour is quite narrow at that point plus the ships have to make a right-angle turn opposite Barangaroo.

 

Our December 16th sailaway was delayed 3 hours because of this.

 

What where they thinking :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

 

They probebly weren't thinking bureaucrats were behind it all it seems below some of them to bother with something like thinking.

[GUT2407]

That's quite an experience though. Right up until the last moment it really looks as if the ship is not going to fit, then it slides under neatly. Not much clearance though.

 

 

Our first was on Pacific Princess, which is about half the size of anything sailing here now and we didn't think she was gong to fit.

[The_Big_M]

They probebly weren't thinking bureaucrats were behind it all it seems below some of them to bother with something like thinking.

 

Oh, I think they were thinking of the extra kickbacks and support their campaign coffers would get from freeing up Barangaroo.

 

Like a lot of the large scale developer support that's gone on lately.

[GUT2407]

Oh, I think they were thinking of the extra kickbacks and support their campaign coffers would get from freeing up Barangaroo.

 

Like a lot of the large scale developer support that's gone on lately.

 

And haven't we seen that in Newie. Three or four scalps taken.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

That's quite an experience though. Right up until the last moment it really looks as if the ship is not going to fit, then it slides under neatly. Not much clearance though.

 

Our first was on Pacific Princess, which is about half the size of anything sailing here now and we didn't think she was gong to fit.

 

Sydney does not have that problem on its own.

When QM2 sails into New York , the clearance under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge is only 1 metre....

thats not very much on a ship that size.:eek::eek:

[GUT2407]

Sydney does not have that problem on its own.

When QM2 sails into New York , the clearance under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge is only 1 metre....

thats not very much on a ship that size.:eek::eek:

 

 

Yes but NY harbour was designed in the last few years.

[mr walker]

The root cause of the problem was the Harbour Bridge designers back in the 20's who failed to take into account cruiseships of modern sizes when they made the bridge so low :D

 

And the Millers Point location is no better than White Bay in that regard.

 

Garden Island is the best option,but is going to be a hard sell to the community.

[GUT2407]

The root cause of the problem was the Harbour Bridge designers back in the 20's who failed to take into account cruiseships of modern sizes when they made the bridge so low :D

 

And the Millers Point location is no better than White Bay in that regard.

 

Garden Island is the best option,but is going to be a hard sell to the community.

 

 

That's why they should build it in Newcastle, Stockton bridge which they wouldn't need to go under is high enough, no other bridges to worry about unless they want to go a long way up.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Oh, I think they were thinking of the extra kickbacks and support their campaign coffers would get from freeing up Barangaroo.

 

Like a lot of the large scale developer support that's gone on lately.

 

Absolutely! Par for the course with the NSW government, Half of Lane Cove is under reconstruction by developers after the NSW government overrode council zoning. Of course, no thought has been put into how overcrowded roads will cope with more cars, how more parking can be provided at local shopping centres, more frequent public transport, more or larger schools and hospitals etc etc.

 

I can just see the day when I miss my cruise because I'm stuck in a gridlock in Lane Cove LOL. :mad:

Edited February 18, 2015 by OzKiwiJJ

[OzKiwiJJ]

Garden Island is the best option,but is going to be a hard sell to the community.

 

A redeveloped Garden Island would be an asset I would think. Certainly there are some heritage buildings there but they could probably be carefully restored and incorporated into the design of the redevelopment. Add cafes and restaurants linking through Wooloomooloo, a decent bus or light rail system for transport. They probably want to preserve the dry dock but that shouldn't be a problem.

 

I'm assuming that most of our naval ships are small enough to go under the harbour bridge, so the Navy could take over White Bay. Much more sensible. :D

[The_Big_M]

 

Garden Island is the best option,but is going to be a hard sell to the community.

 

If someone has to give up something, they should take back the Woolloomooloo wharves...

[cruisine21]

If someone has to give up something, they should take back the Woolloomooloo wharves...

 

It might be a bit difficult to convince John Laws to give up his penthouse.

[cassamanda]

It might be a bit difficult to convince John Laws to give up his penthouse.

 

And Russell Crowe plus a few other high rollers.

[OzKiwiJJ]

If someone has to give up something, they should take back the Woolloomooloo wharves...

 

They'd have the same problem there as with White Bay, too narrow, so risky in high winds.

[The_Big_M]

They'd have the same problem there as with White Bay, too narrow, so risky in high winds.

 

Same position as Garden Island, and sheltered by the Potts Point heights.

 

It was used for many large ships last century, and of course the Navy now...

Edited February 19, 2015 by The_Big_M