If NCL offered completely non-smoking cruises, would you book?

[Aquahound]

The Paradise is always rolled out as an example of a failed attempt and "proof" by all the naysayers. I firmly believe, however, that it was just ahead of its time. People weren't ready to embrace the non-smoking aspect of it. But since then, most public areas, bars, restaurants in North america have gone smoke-free with the rest of the world not far behind. I think if this was attempted again, now, it would be a much more successful endeavour.

 

Exactly. Then they make statements that casinos would lose so much money without smokers. Never mind the modern day example of Celebrity cruises and how their ships and casinos seem to be doing just fine.

[grandmarnnurse]

I think at some point in time in the future, everything will be non-smoking. It may not be within the next 5 years - but it will happen. Fewer and fewer young people are picking up the habit - and the ones that do tend to be at the bottom end of the socioeconomic scale - they likely can't afford cruises. Eventually, there will be a tipping point where it just doesn't make sense anymore to cater to smoking. The older smokers will be gone, and there aren't huge numbers of smokers coming up to replace them - tides turn.

 

I totally agree! I am seeing fewer and fewer smokers, most likely due to the knowledge of the extreme risks involved in smoking. But it has always baffled me how those at the lower end of the socioeconomic level can afford to smoke! Cigarettes are not cheap! But that's not a discussion for this site--lol--so I will move on. I certaintly do hope that cruises eventually do go smoke free in the future. It is a filthy, dirty habit that also affects everyone around them. There is no smoking area on the ship where non smokers are not exposed to second hand smoke. It just floats out everywhere. As a college educated, retired RN, I have seen the devastation that smoking can do to the human body, and it is mind boggling that anyone still smokes, knowing what we all know now. We can only hope the cruise lines wake up to this fact and prohibit smoking completely.

[surfone]

Yes, And I agree eventually they will be smoke free. We've been to some newer casinos in the US that are non smoking and they are doing fine, most have outside smoking areas which are nice for the smokers. I feel bad enough for the people that are smoking in the 2nd hand smoke but we choose to, i feel for the workers in the casinos having to breath in the smoke and then have to clean up after the smokers. That was something the land base smoking casino workers stated that the smoke was bad enough but the stench of the smoke that never leaves and the wear and tear it causes. (i don't mind the smoking areas of the ship as long as it's located outside)

[Ergates The Ant]

I suspect that ships will continue to allow smoking in indoor public places such as the casino, until they receive their first law suit for damage to the staff working there.

This was a major factor in the indoor smoking ban in the UK, that staff working in smoky atmospheres were being exposed to carcinogenic substances and had the possibility of claiming compensation from their employers.

It is a sad reflection on users of smoking permitted areas on cruise ships. As smokers, they have no respect for themselves, their families who are often exposed to their habits, their children who have not only been set a bad example of behaviour but also risk losing a parent prematurely ( I can sympathise with this, I still cry when I remember that my children and grandchildren will never meet my dearly loved father )

The cruise lines that allow smoking in public areas and expect staff to work there, are exploiting their staff in a shockingly cynical manner, to make money.

It is no excuse that the staff may themselves smoke. I assume they are not allowed to smoke on duty, so they are being exposed to second hand smoke for hours, without even the personal enjoyment of the nicotine! And how difficult would it be to try and give up smoking if you are exposed to it for hours every day?

 

I'm afraid that those customers who allow their personal preferences to override the good of the long suffering staff who serve them, are callous and self centred in the extreme.

Roll on the introduction of the smoke free cruise, or at least those with smoke free interiors, so we can show the employees on the ships the respect that they deserve.

[tiercel]

Yes, and No as others have posted. I often sail on Celebrity Cruise Lines which does not allow smoking in the interior of the ship. They do allow smoking at certain locations on or above the lido deck. It does make a difference for me, and when I go on an Alaskan cruise I certainly look at Celebrity for this reason. I think Celebrity has a good balance of policy in this regard, but that opinion would need to come from smokers I guess. Perhaps NCL should take a look at this for their next step??

[wolfy321]

Thanks for the math lesson. Not.

As a lifetime marketing company owner, anytime you can get a firm 85% market share you are killing it. Add to that the intensity of most non-smokers not to be involved with smoking and you have a winning combination. And not sure how much you have travelled but we are in Asia every year and the % of smokers--while higher than US, also dropping noticeably.

 

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I was in China two years ago. They still don't even have an age restriction on smoking.

 

 

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[oldbidder1]

Yes, would love non-smoking cruise

No - I wouldn't pay more, but would book on ships that I now refuse to sail on due to smoke problem.

[cyberjoys]

YES and NO. I would love a completely non-smoking cruise! We are always bothered by smoking around the pool area. No matter where you settle to relax for a few hours the wind blows smoke your way. It never fails! Why should we be subjected to that around the pool or any where else?!

[Tatka]

We just sailed on Gem and there was no smoking areas around the pool. It was set up one deck above near Bimini bar.

[Sharinalovestocruise]

Yes and yes as long as I liked the ship and itinerary

 

 

And I'd like to mention that of the 4 people I travel with none will go in a casino that allows smoking. They would definitely gamble in a non smoking casino.

[Weetahbugdotcom]

Hardly something to boast about! Seems as addictive as smoking but at least it doesn't affect anyone else, only the poor fool who admits to losing such a large amount of money. :confused:

 

 

 

I think you're making a big assumption here. Maybe $4k is not a lot of money for THEM.

 

 

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[eileeshb]

If they even went to a halfway house and banned traditional cigarettes in favour of e-cigs at least the smell from those doesn't spread out and it's far less hazardous to anyone working the vicinity of the smoker.

Then the smokers would be able to indulge their habit without polluting the air for the rest of us.

[mimb1]

Sure, I don't smoke.

[azbaby8062]

Yes

No

[karoo]

I suspect that ships will continue to allow smoking in indoor public places such as the casino, until they receive their first law suit for damage to the staff working there.

 

This was a major factor in the indoor smoking ban in the UK, that staff working in smoky atmospheres were being exposed to carcinogenic substances and had the possibility of claiming compensation from their employers.

 

It is a sad reflection on users of smoking permitted areas on cruise ships. As smokers, they have no respect for themselves, their families who are often exposed to their habits, their children who have not only been set a bad example of behaviour but also risk losing a parent prematurely ( I can sympathise with this, I still cry when I remember that my children and grandchildren will never meet my dearly loved father )

 

The cruise lines that allow smoking in public areas and expect staff to work there, are exploiting their staff in a shockingly cynical manner, to make money.

 

It is no excuse that the staff may themselves smoke. I assume they are not allowed to smoke on duty, so they are being exposed to second hand smoke for hours, without even the personal enjoyment of the nicotine! And how difficult would it be to try and give up smoking if you are exposed to it for hours every day?

 

 

 

I'm afraid that those customers who allow their personal preferences to override the good of the long suffering staff who serve them, are callous and self centred in the extreme.

 

Roll on the introduction of the smoke free cruise, or at least those with smoke free interiors, so we can show the employees on the ships the respect that they deserve.

 

 

 

Similar to Australia. We did have a worker who sued and won so all our casinos and public inside areas, restaurants/bars etc are smoke free. Contrary to what many people seem to say on this forum to justify smoky casinos- revenue and attendance went up as non smokers were avoiding smoky places. We have strict health and safety laws here- no worker can be subjected to second hand smoke.

 

 

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[Love to Cruise DS]

1. Yes

 

2. The smoker should pay the premium not the non amoker

 

 

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[Moby0215]

1. Yes

 

2. The smoker should pay the premium not the non amoker

 

 

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The problem with your logic is that the reason smoking is allowed is because it makes NCL more money. Why would they charge them extra?

 

 

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[samandsally]

No I would book a cruise that was non smoking which also answers the second question. Cruise lines are discriminating against 30% of the population with theirvrestrictice smoking policies. When they included e cigs in the ban they went to far. There is nothing g harmful in the e cig vapor. Non smokers just get upset when they see someone else enjoying themselves

[Carmbl8]

1.Yes

2. NO

[DMH15]

No I would book a cruise that was non smoking which also answers the second question. Cruise lines are discriminating against 30% of the population with theirvrestrictice smoking policies. When they included e cigs in the ban they went to far. There is nothing g harmful in the e cig vapor. Non smokers just get upset when they see someone else enjoying themselves

 

 

 

Most NCL pax are American. 15.1% of US American adults smoke. See CDC website last update 2015. Factor in kids, it is even less.

 

A lot has changed since I was a little kid of 2 smoking parents. A regretful mom who quit over 30 years ago and a dad who did not quit until it was too late, who died of heart disease.

 

If you think it is restrictive now, just wait. Things will continue in the same realm. Eventually the casino will be non smoking. Check back to this thread in 5 years.

 

Right now my high rise apt building is writing all new leases as NO SMOKING INDOORS. Eventually it will be 100% smoke free.

 

I understand how difficult it is to quit, and although some protest how much they love smoking, most would like to. It is hard. I have battled with my weight for 30 years, so I get it. I have people in my life who I love who smoke so I get that too.

 

But, with families cruising NCL factored in we are talking about 10-12% of the passengers smoking. Probably a lot if those adults work in smoke free office buildings and they are used to finding a place to go to where they can indulge. Cruise ships should be no different. And just wait... it will be much more restrictive going forward.

 

 

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[cruzsnooze]

If NCL bans smoking completely it would be my number one go to cruise.

[Moby0215]

Most NCL pax are American. 15.1% of US American adults smoke. See CDC website last update 2015. Factor in kids, it is even less.

 

A lot has changed since I was a little kid of 2 smoking parents. A regretful mom who quit over 30 years ago and a dad who did not quit until it was too late, who died of heart disease.

 

If you think it is restrictive now, just wait. Things will continue in the same realm. Eventually the casino will be non smoking. Check back to this thread in 5 years.

 

Right now my high rise apt building is writing all new leases as NO SMOKING INDOORS. Eventually it will be 100% smoke free.

 

I understand how difficult it is to quit, and although some protest how much they love smoking, most would like to. It is hard. I have battled with my weight for 30 years, so I get it. I have people in my life who I love who smoke so I get that too.

 

But, with families cruising NCL factored in we are talking about 10-12% of the passengers smoking. Probably a lot if those adults work in smoke free office buildings and they are used to finding a place to go to where they can indulge. Cruise ships should be no different. And just wait... it will be much more restrictive going forward.

 

 

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It is already like that on the cruise ships. One has to find a place to smoke. Those places are very limited. Only a couple areas out on deck and in the casino. NCL will continue to allow smoking in the casino until such a time occurs where they think they are losing money. I have no proof of this next statement except for my own firsthand experience... gambling is an addiction. Smoking is an addiction. A casino draws in many smokers. As long as the casino allows smoking then the smokers do not have to get off their slot machine, go outside and smoke and maybe not go back to the casino. This makes NCL money. If it gets to the point where NCL feels that they are losing too much money from non-smokers who do not want to play in a smoke filled casino, then they will alter their rules. Will this happen in the next 5 years? Hard to say. I don't think so. We will see.

 

 

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[DMH15]

It is already like that on the cruise ships. One has to find a place to smoke. Those places are very limited. Only a couple areas out on deck and in the casino. NCL will continue to allow smoking in the casino until such a time occurs where they think they are losing money. I have no proof of this next statement except for my own firsthand experience... gambling is an addiction. Smoking is an addiction. A casino draws in many smokers. As long as the casino allows smoking then the smokers do not have to get off their slot machine, go outside and smoke and maybe not go back to the casino. This makes NCL money. If it gets to the point where NCL feels that they are losing too much money from non-smokers who do not want to play in a smoke filled casino, then they will alter their rules. Will this happen in the next 5 years? Hard to say. I don't think so. We will see.

 

 

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I will give you two examples:

 

1. I have been going to Las Vegas for years and at the airport they used to have this little plexiglass room that was non-smoking… Fast forward a few years ago and now that little teeny room is for the smokers and the rest is for the non-smokers.

 

2. At many of the casinos the bingo rooms had the tiny room for the non-smokers and the large room for the smokers… Guess what? Now it's the reverse and in the smoking room it is not very crowded.

 

Surely there are a lot of reformed smokers with addictive personalities that would love gamble in a clean air environment.

 

 

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[Moby0215]

I will give you two examples:

 

1. I have been going to Las Vegas for years and at the airport they used to have this little plexiglass room that was non-smoking… Fast forward a few years ago and now that little teeny room is for the smokers and the rest is for the non-smokers.

 

2. At many of the casinos the bingo rooms had the tiny room for the non-smokers and the large room for the smokers… Guess what? Now it's the reverse and in the smoking room it is not very crowded.

 

Surely there are a lot of reformed smokers with addictive personalities that would love gamble in a clean air environment.

 

 

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The flaw in your statement is I was talking about casinos and while yes you can gamble at the airport, it still is an airport first and foremost. As far as the bingo, come on... that's not real gambling either. Take a look at the real casinos in Vegas, you can still smoke almost anywhere.

 

Now I will agree with you that over the years things have been changing. My only point was I don't see NCL making their casino fully non smoking anytime soon.

 

 

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[DMH15]

The flaw in your statement is I was talking about casinos and while yes you can gamble at the airport, it still is an airport first and foremost. As far as the bingo, come on... that's not real gambling either. Take a look at the real casinos in Vegas, you can still smoke almost anywhere.

 

Now I will agree with you that over the years things have been changing. My only point was I don't see NCL making their casino fully non smoking anytime soon.

 

 

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I agree. It won't be soon. But it is moving in that direction.

 

I remember hearing the same thing about balconies.

 

 

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