>>Celebrity Edge<< - Exterior Views

[eroller]

Not quite the same as a cut from the hull balcony. Those feel like a steel enclosed cave in many cases, with a smaller opening to the sea in many cases. This will be beautiful and open, with a glass rail the entire width of the cabin and glass French doors to the main cabin. Also if you want a larger balcony, just open those French doors and now the whole cabin can be your balcony. I'm actually passing up a Sky Suite because I really want to experience an Infinite Balcony. Can't wait!

 

 

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[Fairsky84]

Here's an exterior view of the veranda with the window lowered.

 

 

I really like this design and the flexibility if affords. My only concern is mechanical. Conventional verandas rely on a simple sliding door. The Edge's require a mechanical (I'm guessing electric) device to raise and lower the window. If the mechanism fails to would render the entire cabin unsuitable unless the french doors are robust enough to withstand bad weather while the window is lowered. I only hope they've created a very reliable and fail-proof mechanism for these windows otherwise maintaining these huge opening windows is going to be a nightmare for the crew.

[jamesboat]

No current Celebrity ship has a promenade deck. Recent Princess designs also lack it. If that's important, HAL and Cunard still have them on their latest ships.

 

Princess got a huge blowback when they didnt include one in their most recent ship class.

 

 

I understand the engineering reasons, but I think MSC has it right when it comes to the new ship design.

[Fairsky84]

Princess got a huge blowback when they didnt include one in their most recent ship class.

 

I understand the engineering reasons, but I think MSC has it right when it comes to the new ship design.

 

We should remember that all ship design is a compromise. Adding space to one area takes it away from another. I think the logic of a promenade applied to ocean liners and early cruise ships without verandas. It gave passengers a space to enjoy the sea apart from the noise of the pool deck. (As well as serving the practical function of loading lifeboats in an emergency.) This made the public spaces on the promenade deck more narrow.

 

Today, cruise lines realize the private veranda has replaced the promenade, and the space necessary for a true promenade deck is better utilized with expanded revenue-producing spaces (bars, shops, casino, etc.) on the public entertainment decks. The new designs by MSC are interesting because the expanded promenade is not really taking space away from revenue-producing public areas of the ship. Instead they've removed open space from the top decks with a narrow superstructure and relocated it to a lower deck to form a promenade. Will it be popular? We'll see. I'm just grateful to see innovation in ship designs after decades of Destiny-class, Grand-class, and Vista-class variants.

[eroller]

I'm just grateful to see innovation in ship designs after decades of Destiny-class, Grand-class, and Vista-class variants.

 

 

 

I'm with you 100%. So sick of those ships. Sad that Carnival Cruise Lines is still taking delivery of those Destiny Class derivatives. Never a great design to begin with. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

 

 

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[villauk]

We initially thought the infinite balcony was perfect but after looking at the size of the SVs, we changed our room. We are balcony lovers and like to enjoy the outside. Since there are no SV's on deck 6, we booked on deck 7. Any speculation on what might be going aft on deck 6?

 

I mentioned this yesterday on another Edge thread. I wish we could see the aft showing the SVs. Their size compared to the other balcony cabins looks generous.

 

The circulation of air will be different on the infinite balconies, not like the present traditional balcony - possibly more similar to the cut-out enclosed type balconies. Also the sun creeps through the gaps between the partitions, again you will not have that because of the rigid structure fully enclosing the end of the cabin, and no chatting to your neighbour next door :). The new design also suggests that there will be no opening up of several balconies which currently happens when several pax have booked cabins together. I am correct in thinking that none of the suites will have this type of balcony?

 

It will be interesting to hear the comments from those first sailing on her. I can understand them being popular with river cruise lines because their vessels are at a much lower level only having a few decks, not huge tall expanses of glass. I'll leave an open mind until some reviews start trickling through.

 

I'm presuming the window can be lowered to different levels? Let's hope all the glass used is the self-cleaning type ;).

[paulh84]

I'm with you 100%. So sick of those ships. Sad that Carnival Cruise Lines is still taking delivery of those Destiny Class derivatives. Never a great design to begin with. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

 

 

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Check out NCL's Leonardo Project (MSC Seaside V.2)....

 

Edge bow with Seaside rear end :eek:

[dsarah]

I'm presuming the window can be lowered to different levels? Let's hope all the glass used is the self-cleaning type ;).

 

My thoughts too --- at present the glass railings are usually dirty after day 1, now with a floor to ceiling glass wall exposed to the elements, it will be annoying to have to look thru it from inside the cabin unless its kept clean. Kind of like looking thru dirty windows in your house.

[villauk]

My thoughts too --- at present the glass railings are usually dirty after day 1, now with a floor to ceiling glass wall exposed to the elements, it will be annoying to have to look thru it from inside the cabin unless its kept clean. Kind of like looking thru dirty windows in your house.

 

I wonder what happens at night regarding curtains/blinds. As the French doors are bi-folding, I presume there will be nothing fitted there to darken the room? Perhaps the picture window may have a tinting/darkening programme to stop light coming through?

[foodsvcmgr]

I wonder how they are upgrading the HVAC system to handle all these cabins potentially being left fully open to the outside air?

Surely they realize many people will sleep with the windows and doors open.

Currently if someone leaves a balcony door open it can affect a/c for the entire section of deck.

[jryan110]

I wonder how they are upgrading the HVAC system to handle all these cabins potentially being left fully open to the outside air?

Surely they realize many people will sleep with the windows and doors open.

Currently if someone leaves a balcony door open it can affect a/c for the entire section of deck.

 

My understanding is the balcony 'window' cannot be opened unless the glass bi-folds are closed.

[villauk]

I wonder how they are upgrading the HVAC system to handle all these cabins potentially being left fully open to the outside air?

Surely they realize many people will sleep with the windows and doors open.

Currently if someone leaves a balcony door open it can affect a/c for the entire section of deck.

 

Yes, I'm waiting for the claims to start flooding in (excuse the pun :D) when someone has left it all open and it rains into the room destroying their cashmere, designer-chic evening gown (which technically was in the extended cabin) ;p.

[villauk]

My understanding is the balcony 'window' cannot be opened unless the glass bi-folds are closed.

 

Post #102 above, the photograph of the new design, definitely states on the first line that it's an exterior view of the cabin with the window lowered - and the French doors are open? Wonder which is correct then; it will be interesting to have this confirmed either way :confused:?

[Fairsky84]

Check out NCL's Leonardo Project (MSC Seaside V.2)....

 

Edge bow with Seaside rear end :eek:

 

Wow. Didn't expect that from NCL. It makes sense why they are building at Fincantieri as that shipyard created the MSC Seaside concept. It looks almost identical to MSC Seaside- even the same funnel design, but with the en vogue vertical bow.

[eroller]

Wow. Didn't expect that from NCL. It makes sense why they are building at Fincantieri as that shipyard created the MSC Seaside concept. It looks almost identical to MSC Seaside- even the same funnel design, but with the en vogue vertical bow.

 

 

The NCL version (Project Leonardo) is shorter than MSC SEASIDE, although both designs appear to be based off Fincantieri's Project Mille prototype. I'm sure Fincantieri created a few different versions to cater to different markets, and NCL opted for the shorter version. What appears to be sacrificed by being shorter is the glass covered pool forward of the funnel on SEASIDE. So it looks like one main pool for the entire ship on the NCL version. I'm guessing the forward pool will be reserved for The Haven, there is no glass covered pool because the ship is shorter, so that leaves one pool farther aft. NCL states there will be "infinity pools" located on the lower deck aft where MSC SEASIDE has a large pool, but I'm taking a guess here and thinking it will be nothing more than a series of oversized jacuzzis.

 

One of the great features of this class of ship is the open deck space. MSC seems to have maximized it with great open spaces and pools. I'm guessing NCL will place tons of "stuff" up there (aka attractions), taking up all the great deck space. By the time they are done you probably won't even be able to recognize the funnel, which is practically the case on the Breakaway Class.

 

I do love the bow on Project Leonardo though. I know a lot of people don't like that bow design, but it really appeals to me. AIDA PRIMA, CELEBRITY EDGE, and the new LNG powered ships from Carnival Corp. have a similar bow design.

[SantaFeFan]

My understanding is the balcony 'window' cannot be opened unless the glass bi-folds are closed.

 

They stated during the reveal that the window could be open so the entire stateroom an enjoy fresh air. That tells me that opening the window will not be dependent on the position of the french doors. And watch this Celebrity produced video to see that the window can indeed be opened with the doors open. This is clearly shown starting at the 2:00 minute mark.

 

[offnoncruiser]

This may be a silly question, but here goes......Since Edge is now listed at 129,500 gross tons, or about 7,500 tons more than the majority of the S-Class ships at about 122,000 tons, is the added space of all of the "inside/outside" infinite balconies now included as part of the gross tonnage of the ship (since the "old style" balconies were 100% outside space and were not part of the ship tonnage)??

 

I was hoping that "extra" 7500 tons would be for added PUBLIC spaces on the interior of the ship. The total added space of 918 infinite balconies would be pretty close to 7500 gross tons. I guess that 23% extra space in the cabins is better than previous ships, but the fact that the 23% now includes the balcony square footage, I'd say it's a little bit of smoke and mirrors playing with the numbers.

 

Still pretty cool though.

 

Thx.

[OfTheSeasCruiser]

They stated during the reveal that the window could be open so the entire stateroom an enjoy fresh air. That tells me that opening the window will not be dependent on the position of the french doors. And watch this Celebrity produced video to see that the window can indeed be opened with the doors open. This is clearly shown starting at the 2:00 minute mark.

 

Agreed. Requiring that the doors be shut in order to open the window would defeat the entire purpose of the new design, IMHO.

[villauk]

This may be a silly question, but here goes......Since Edge is now listed at 129,500 gross tons, or about 7,500 tons more than the majority of the S-Class ships at about 122,000 tons, is the added space of all of the "inside/outside" infinite balconies now included as part of the gross tonnage of the ship (since the "old style" balconies were 100% outside space and were not part of the ship tonnage)??

 

I was hoping that "extra" 7500 tons would be for added PUBLIC spaces on the interior of the ship. The total added space of 918 infinite balconies would be pretty close to 7500 gross tons. I guess that 23% extra space in the cabins is better than previous ships, but the fact that the 23% now includes the balcony square footage, I'd say it's a little bit of smoke and mirrors playing with the numbers.

 

 

Now that is interesting, so they could be actually the same or slightly smaller?

[villauk]

They stated during the reveal that the window could be open so the entire stateroom an enjoy fresh air. That tells me that opening the window will not be dependent on the position of the french doors. And watch this Celebrity produced video to see that the window can indeed be opened with the doors open. This is clearly shown starting at the 2:00 minute mark.

 

 

 

Yes, the window is definitely lowered by the robotic man whilst the French doors are open in the video ;).

[eroller]

This may be a silly question, but here goes......Since Edge is now listed at 129,500 gross tons, or about 7,500 tons more than the majority of the S-Class ships at about 122,000 tons, is the added space of all of the "inside/outside" infinite balconies now included as part of the gross tonnage of the ship (since the "old style" balconies were 100% outside space and were not part of the ship tonnage)??

 

 

Thx.

 

 

Not silly at all. A great question and observation really. I'm going to ask it on another forum I belong to that has some pretty smart technical people and see if I get any responses.

 

Since GT is a volume measurement of enclosed interior space, I wonder if an enclosed pool with a retractable roof is included in GT measurements? It's essentially the same concept as the Infinite Balcony, being one minute enclosed and another open at the touch of a button so that might provide our answer.

 

 

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[Iamthesea]

A very small regular balcony, they're only 42 sq ft vs 54 on the S Class.

 

We avoid the cut from the hull balconies like the plague so I think we'll have to wait for the reports on these.

 

How do the size of these balconies compare in size to the A1 mini balconies on the Millie class?

 

Not quite the same as a cut from the hull balcony. Those feel like a steel enclosed cave in many cases, with a smaller opening to the sea in many cases. This will be beautiful and open, with a glass rail the entire width of the cabin and glass French doors to the main cabin. Also if you want a larger balcony, just open those French doors and now the whole cabin can be your balcony. I'm actually passing up a Sky Suite because I really want to experience an Infinite Balcony. Can't wait!

 

 

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I did not realize that the Sky Suites did not have the Infinite balcony. :( How does the size of the stateroom compare to a SS on the Solstice class? Smaller, larger, the same?

 

And does anyone have any insight to what the bathrooms will look like in an Edge and SS class?

 

I too have wondered about window covering. I assume that the French doors have a tinting so that no one can see in - day or night. But what about harsh sunlight during the day. We try to keep our curtains closed to keep the heat out of our stateroom when in warmer climates.

[Oville]

How do the size of these balconies compare in size to the A1 mini balconies on the Millie class?

 

 

 

I did not realize that the Sky Suites did not have the Infinite balcony. :( How does the size of the stateroom compare to a SS on the Solstice class? Smaller, larger, the same?

 

And does anyone have any insight to what the bathrooms will look like in an Edge and SS class?

 

I too have wondered about window covering. I assume that the French doors have a tinting so that no one can see in - day or night. But what about harsh sunlight during the day. We try to keep our curtains closed to keep the heat out of our stateroom when in warmer climates.

 

SS cabins do not have the Infinite balcony. We are booked in a S1 aft and the cabin size is 299 sq ft with an 165 sq ft balcony. I think the non aft SS cabins are a bit bigger with a much smaller balcony but larger than the Solstice Class. The S3's all overlook the rails for the Magic Carpet so they have obstructed views.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Katie

[Host Jazzbeau]

SS cabins do not have the Infinite balcony. We are booked in a S1 aft and the cabin size is 299 sq ft with an 165 sq ft balcony. I think the non aft SS cabins are a bit bigger with a much smaller balcony but larger than the Solstice Class. The S3's all overlook the rails for the Magic Carpet so they have obstructed views.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Katie

 

Not obstructed views in the cruise industry use of the term [i.e. something located directly outside your window, like a tender or a davit] -- but the first and fourth on each deck will definitely have "tunnel vision" on one side.

[Cruising89143]

I'm with you 100%. So sick of those ships. Sad that Carnival Cruise Lines is still taking delivery of those Destiny Class derivatives. Never a great design to begin with. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

 

 

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I agree Ernie. I detest the Destiny class design and Carnival has rode that horse for years. Now it looks as though they're going to use the new LNG platform across multiple lines.

 

I like what I see about the Edge but this is RCCL who is always pushing the envelope so I'm not surprised by this very innovative design.:) I think the balcony concept on the Edge is great. Still on the fence with the Flying Carpet. I look at it as a variation of the Oasis class Rising Tide bar but on steroids and passengers won't be riding it while it's in motion.

 

I just looked at the renderings of NCL's off the shelf design and thus far I don't care for it but I'm sure by the time the ship is built there will be a lot more changes but I'm not a fan of pushing balconies back so far from the sea.

 

What is great is the very healthy order book for the shipyards. The cruise industry continues to grow and the future looks bright.