NSWP Posted August 10, 2020 #576 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cyrix400 said: I would not get too excited with the preliminary views of the police and others (widely communicated at the time to the press - and claimed by the Princess to be completely unfounded at the Special Inquiry) - that a criminal offense MAY have been committed. From what we know so far from the Inquiry evidence , it is quite unlikely that a serious adverse finding against Princess would be made (even though things could have been done better by them, in a challenging and constantly changing environment). And no criminal charges are laid by our independent Director of Public Prosecutions before they carefully consider IF the police brief shows a reasonable prospect of conviction on a criminal charge, under the criminal standard of proof i.e. beyond reasonable doubt. Any political considerations are not relevant. I realise that AND if it is in the public interest to proceed. The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't, 36 years👮♂️showed me that. Edited August 10, 2020 by NSWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted August 10, 2020 #577 Share Posted August 10, 2020 15 hours ago, Porky55 said: 😆 Who could have ever predicted 2020 😳 Sadly it was predicted but ignored by most governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted August 10, 2020 #578 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) oops. double posted. Edited August 10, 2020 by lyndarra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted August 10, 2020 #579 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just read this: "The commissioner must report to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian by this Friday." Source I wonder how long she will sit on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted August 10, 2020 #580 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, By The Bay said: Just read this: "The commissioner must report to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian by this Friday." Source I wonder how long she will sit on it? Until after the State Election. From the above source...To me it appears Federal employees are being protected...they use the word..'shielded.' Edited August 10, 2020 by NSWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted August 10, 2020 #581 Share Posted August 10, 2020 In the SMH today. I doubt the Federal Governments actions would pass the pub test.🤔 "Federal officials will be shielded from direct scrutiny at the NSW inquiry into the Ruby Princess cruise ship amid accusations the Morrison government has failed to co-operate with the investigation. Commissioner Bret Walker has issued a legal summons to hear testimony from one of the officials, a Department of Agriculture worker who granted permission for the ship to enter port, but was rebuffed again on Monday. Prime Minister Scott Morrison promised to co-operate with the inquiry on April 21 and insisted on Monday he had done so, but he did not explain why the two officials should not appear to give evidence. A federal Department of Agriculture biosecurity officer did not complete the checklist required for travellers with illnesses, which led to errors in a report that led to formal permission for the ship to disembark." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrix400 Posted August 12, 2020 Author #582 Share Posted August 12, 2020 "RUBY PRINCESS - The Verdict - Report & Recommendations - YOUR COMMENTS" I have started this new thread in anticipation of the release of the Inquiry report - due to the govt on 14 August - and no doubt publicly available some time later. May I suggest that your comments, in due course, about the Inquiry findings & recommendations may be more conveniently made on the new thread. Thanks to everybody who took the time to respond & comment - and for over 16500 views of this thread. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted August 12, 2020 #583 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Thanks for your detailed following of the Special Commission. I will keenly following the verdict and feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted August 12, 2020 #584 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Thank you, Cyrix400, for keeping us up to date with the enquiry. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted August 12, 2020 #585 Share Posted August 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, Cyrix400 said: "RUBY PRINCESS - The Verdict - Report & Recommendations - YOUR COMMENTS" I have started this new thread in anticipation of the release of the Inquiry report - due to the govt on 14 August - and no doubt publicly available some time later. May I suggest that your comments, in due course, about the Inquiry findings & recommendations may be more conveniently made on the new thread. Thanks to everybody who took the time to respond & comment - and for over 16500 views of this thread. Thank you for your efforts in posting the proceedings and interpreting same. I look forward with interest to the next chapter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted August 12, 2020 #586 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I agree with the comments above. A big 'thank you' to Cyrix400 for posting information as it has become available. I will be interested to read the final report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boeckli Posted August 12, 2020 #587 Share Posted August 12, 2020 A Current Affairs tonight (Ch 9) at 7 pm has another story about a man who lost his wife on Ruby Princess. Only just saw the trailer - sorry for short notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted August 12, 2020 #588 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I watched the segment on A Current Affair. It was sad watching a man who is devastated at losing his wife. However he made a few strange comments. He said he "wants justice" for his wife the the "other 21 people who died on the ship". Huh!! No-one died on the ship. I know that is being pedantic, but ... no-one died on the ship. They died later as a result of a virus they contracted on the ship. The man is upset that no-one contacted him and asked for his input. He did not say that he had put in a submission. He seems to think that the Commissioner should have contacted him for his opinion. He also made the statement that after NSW Health delayed embarkation, that they should have cancelled the cruise. I made the point that other cruises boarded that day, or even after that and had no infections on board. No-one knew that the Ruby would have infections. If this was suspected, obviously Princess would have cancelled the cruise. This gentleman is obviously grieving and he is looking for someone to blame. He also contracted the virus and he said he "should have been the one to die". He has been back to hospital a few times after he was released and he is still not well. BTW, this was their first cruise. In a way, I felt that Channel 9 was exploiting this man and his very obvious grief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted August 12, 2020 #589 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Aus Traveller said: I watched the segment on A Current Affair. It was sad watching a man who is devastated at losing his wife. However he made a few strange comments. He said he "wants justice" for his wife the the "other 21 people who died on the ship". Huh!! No-one died on the ship. I know that is being pedantic, but ... no-one died on the ship. They died later as a result of a virus they contracted on the ship. The man is upset that no-one contacted him and asked for his input. He did not say that he had put in a submission. He seems to think that the Commissioner should have contacted him for his opinion. He also made the statement that after NSW Health delayed embarkation, that they should have cancelled the cruise. I made the point that other cruises boarded that day, or even after that and had no infections on board. No-one knew that the Ruby would have infections. If this was suspected, obviously Princess would have cancelled the cruise. This gentleman is obviously grieving and he is looking for someone to blame. He also contracted the virus and he said he "should have been the one to die". He has been back to hospital a few times after he was released and he is still not well. BTW, this was their first cruise. In a way, I felt that Channel 9 was exploiting this man and his very obvious grief. So sad, i grieve with him. He needs a lot of help. Hope he gets it. Ch9 has used him, Probably gave him 5 grand blood money. It is unfortunate that so many cruisers do their one and only cruise on these nz runs, too late in life when they are not in the greatest of condition. No flights that why the oldies do them and Ruby was full of those folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted August 12, 2020 #590 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Aus Traveller said: I watched the segment on A Current Affair. It was sad watching a man who is devastated at losing his wife. However he made a few strange comments. He said he "wants justice" for his wife the the "other 21 people who died on the ship". Huh!! No-one died on the ship. I know that is being pedantic, but ... no-one died on the ship. They died later as a result of a virus they contracted on the ship. The man is upset that no-one contacted him and asked for his input. He did not say that he had put in a submission. He seems to think that the Commissioner should have contacted him for his opinion. He also made the statement that after NSW Health delayed embarkation, that they should have cancelled the cruise. I made the point that other cruises boarded that day, or even after that and had no infections on board. No-one knew that the Ruby would have infections. If this was suspected, obviously Princess would have cancelled the cruise. This gentleman is obviously grieving and he is looking for someone to blame. He also contracted the virus and he said he "should have been the one to die". He has been back to hospital a few times after he was released and he is still not well. BTW, this was their first cruise. In a way, I felt that Channel 9 was exploiting this man and his very obvious grief. That's what commercial tv is about - making money from ratings. People like dramatic stories, so that's what they give them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi_cruiser Posted August 14, 2020 #591 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Premier of NSW has just received the report into the Ruby Princess which can be accessed here: https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/publications/special-commissions-of-inquiry/the-special-commission-of-inquiry-into-the-ruby-princess/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted August 14, 2020 #592 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 1:23 AM, The_Big_M said: That's what commercial tv is about - making money from ratings. People like dramatic stories, so that's what they give them. SOME people - not all 🤨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrix400 Posted August 14, 2020 Author #593 Share Posted August 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kiwi_cruiser said: Premier of NSW has just received the report into the Ruby Princess which can be accessed here: https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/publications/special-commissions-of-inquiry/the-special-commission-of-inquiry-into-the-ruby-princess/ Thank you Kiwi_cruiser - you are very fast!!! A lot comments about the the report will no doubt be made in due course on the related RUBY PRINCESS - THE VERDICT etc thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted August 14, 2020 #594 Share Posted August 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, Cyrix400 said: Thank you Kiwi_cruiser - you are very fast!!! A lot comments about the the report will no doubt be made in due course on the related RUBY PRINCESS - THE VERDICT etc thread. Can I suggest that we post comments on the report onto the thread relating to the Ruby Princess verdict. That will make easier reading for all of us rather than keeping track of two threads that will end up with repetition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi_cruiser Posted August 14, 2020 #595 Share Posted August 14, 2020 ‘Serious Mistakes’ Made By NSW Health As Ruby Princess Report Handed Down: https://cruisepassenger.com.au/serious-mistakes-made-by-nsw-health-as-ruby-princess-report-handed-down/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NSWP Posted August 14, 2020 #597 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Kiwi_cruiser said: ‘Serious Mistakes’ Made By NSW Health As Ruby Princess Report Handed Down: https://cruisepassenger.com.au/serious-mistakes-made-by-nsw-health-as-ruby-princess-report-handed-down/ There you go, NSW Health, not NSW police. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted August 14, 2020 #598 Share Posted August 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, NSWP said: There you go, NSW Health, not NSW police. Agreed. Mistakes were made by NSW Health, not NSW Police. My 'complaint' is about public statements made by the NSW Police Commissioner, not mistakes made by the Force - I don't know of any such mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted August 14, 2020 #599 Share Posted August 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: Agreed. Mistakes were made by NSW Health, not NSW Police. My 'complaint' is about public statements made by the NSW Police Commissioner, not mistakes made by the Force - I don't know of any such mistakes. Respect your statement and understand, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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