jo-b Posted August 5, 2020 #51 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death! https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted August 5, 2020 #52 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, jo-b said: Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death! https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ The same thing happens here in the US. A young man in Florida was killed in a motorcycle accident. he happened to be positive for covid and his death was listed under the stats for covid deaths that day. https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted August 5, 2020 #53 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Paulchili said: Of course, the problem with cruising is that it takes only one person to test positive before the cruise is over - and if all goes well nobody else becomes positive but if not, is Diamond Princess all over. This is especially true for crew members who are in close quarters and are exposed to many passengers. Now a flight attendant from Air Tahiti Nui has tested positive. https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/422805/tahiti-flight-attendant-tests-positive-for-covid-19 Contact tracing for all passengers who were on flights this person worked over the last 2 weeks will be enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadzone1003 Posted August 5, 2020 #54 Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, jo-b said: Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death! https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Hey if you go skydiving in the USA and your parachute doesn't open and you have covid-19 and you ended up as a pancake, you will probably be counted as a covid-19 death in many states. I bet the death rate for the elderly in the UK has dropped dramatically for non-covid19 causes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 5, 2020 #55 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, susiesan said: The same thing happens here in the US. A young man in Florida was killed in a motorcycle accident. he happened to be positive for covid and his death was listed under the stats for covid deaths that day. https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report And then there is this: https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/covid-19-associated-deaths-significantly-undercounted or this (and many more along this line) https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petoonya Posted August 5, 2020 #56 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Duplicate info Edited August 5, 2020 by Petoonya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petoonya Posted August 5, 2020 #57 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, susiesan said: Now a flight attendant from Air Tahiti Nui has tested positive. https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/422805/tahiti-flight-attendant-tests-positive-for-covid-19 Contact tracing for all passengers who were on flights this person worked over the last 2 weeks will be enormous. Fingers crossed it's a false positive. I could be wrong but the only news source that's carrying it is New Zealand as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted August 9, 2020 #58 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Well, so far the limited and careful of resumption of cruising has cruise ships losing to COVID: Hurtigruten had 45 infections on it's arctic cruise Paul Gaugin had one infection on its Tahiti cruise SeaDream discovered a pax with COVID onboard, after he disembarked in Norway Uncruise had a passenger test positive on its Alaska cruise And... Costa Crociere had 3 crew members across 2 ships in testing its sailing procedures (no pax on board) for Italian departures Guess the protocols have a way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 10, 2020 #59 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 1985rz1 said: Well, so far the limited and careful of resumption of cruising has cruise ships losing to COVID: Hurtigruten had 45 infections on it's arctic cruise Paul Gaugin had one infection on its Tahiti cruise SeaDream discovered a pax with COVID onboard, after he disembarked in Norway Uncruise had a passenger test positive on its Alaska cruise And... Costa Crociere had 3 crew members across 2 ships in testing its sailing procedures (no pax on board) for Italian departures Guess the protocols have a way to go. I agree. We have ways to go for just eating out safely, never mind cruising. Even if we have a new administration in Jan with all good intentions, we won’t get far as long as many won’t listen or cooperate with the protocols. We have plenty of proof now that many won’t listen. Edited August 10, 2020 by Paulchili 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 11, 2020 #60 Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 8:12 PM, Paulchili said: I agree. We have ways to go for just eating out safely, never mind cruising. Even if we have a new administration in Jan with all good intentions, we won’t get far as long as many won’t listen or cooperate with the protocols. We have plenty of proof now that many won’t listen. So we all know the problem. Now now what do we do about it? Not enough jail cells for all of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted August 11, 2020 #61 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Face it, the virus cannot be stopped no matter what anyone or any country does. We either have to decide to just carry on with our lives or stay at home. Covid 19 as a disease is here to stay and we must learn to live with the possibility that we could catch it, or not, just like influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis, or any other respiratory disease. If we get sick, we get treatment, but the majority of people will not get sick or even know they have the virus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 11, 2020 #62 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, RJB said: So we all know the problem. Now now what do we do about it? Not enough jail cells for all of those people. No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanandJim Posted August 11, 2020 #63 Share Posted August 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, susiesan said: If we get sick, we get treatment Yes, but as things stand AS I WRITE THIS, there is no "cure". Only palliative care where they "hope" that the patient won't be left with long term side effects. Scary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 11, 2020 #64 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, susiesan said: Covid 19 as a disease is here to stay and we must learn to live with the possibility that we could catch it, or not, just like influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis, or any other respiratory disease. Sorry but this comparison is way off. First, TB is not highly contagious (usually have to have prolonged exposure to it like living with someone) and we have cure for it. I have never been scared of getting the flu or pneumonia - none of those have kept restaurants, schools, etc closed, stopped cruising and flying or devastated economies like COVID is now. We certainly cannot continue living forever as we currently are in US. Hopefully there will be an effective vaccine and a treatment for it in the near future - then we can live with it. Edited August 11, 2020 by Paulchili 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted August 11, 2020 #65 Share Posted August 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, Paulchili said: No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention. Ankle bracelets & put people under house arrest 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadzone1003 Posted August 11, 2020 #66 Share Posted August 11, 2020 People think they can avoid the virus by suppressing it, i.e. minimizing the actions that occur in society. Well, this virus is in the same family as some cold viruses. How well have our society suppressed the common cold or developed a cold vaccine? I am a believer that 20% of the population is susceptible to this virus. The virus has to go through this 20% before our society reaches herd immunity. Suppressing the virus will just postpone the day of reckoning. We have effective early treatment for the virus as well as prophylactic drugs, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. They may not be FDA-approved, but they are used throughout the world. Amazingly, the area where both of these drugs are used on a everyday or seasonal use is Africa. Look at their death rates or even infection rates compared to the USA or Europe. Just because they are not FDA-approved doesn't mean that they don't work. When a vaccine arrives, how effective will it be? Will it cover that 20% of the population that is susceptible to the virus? At best, it may just reduce the severity of the virus. Hope for the best, but plan for something worst. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 11, 2020 #67 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, deadzone1003 said: We have effective early treatment for the virus as well as prophylactic drugs, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. I was going to say something but it's like talking to a one year old so I won't bother. Like ORV said, I could put the poster on ignore but then I would miss all the entertainment 🙂 Edited August 11, 2020 by Paulchili 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 12, 2020 #68 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/11/2020 at 11:12 AM, Paulchili said: No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention. As long as something gets these idiots attention so the the rest of us can stay as safe as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ORV Posted August 12, 2020 #69 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, RJB said: As long as something gets these idiots attention so the the rest of us can stay as safe as possible. You do know who has set the example for these folks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted August 12, 2020 #70 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 hours ago, ORV said: You do know who has set the example for these folks? More than an example - a code of "proper" conduct. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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