boatseller Posted August 28, 2020 #101 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 5:18 PM, CruiseMH said: Could you please specify how you define loss rate? If loss rate is number of deaths/hospitalized people compared to the number of proven cases then you are right,then Europe is much worse. I do absolutely agree with you that in case we find a way to successfully dissuade at-risk persons from cruising(or any other vacation) then the consequences of this virus spread will be absolutely managable and not a big deal. But how do you want to make sure that nobody who might be at risk is on the ship? Good old: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries There's a column to sort by loss rate /1M. Carnival had it right way back in March with the Fit to Sail certification. The significant factors have been well known since March. So, let the CDC create a standard score the traveler's doctor can fill out to let the traveler make the choice weather or not to travel. I say let the traveler choose because, well, ultimately it is up to them, but I would expect the actual result would be travelers who don't meet some threshold will not be allowed to sail by the cruise line. Any urgent care facility can do the required diagnostics in maybe 30 min. People die onboard right now, that's why there are morgues. There is no way to prevent all at-risk persons on-board. And if an at-risk person chooses to sail with the info, that is their choice to make. Same situation at the theme parks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruizinKittie40 Posted August 29, 2020 #102 Share Posted August 29, 2020 So the announcement will be tomorrow!!! Anyone know what time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbrookgal Posted August 29, 2020 #103 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 1:43 PM, CruiseMH said: Alright, you are only interested in the hospitalized people.Doesn`t make that much sense but here you go: Europe: Citizens: 519.000.000 Deaths: 177.500 hospitalized: approx. 525.000 (estimations vary from 15 to 25% of all cases, i used the highest possible number) US: Citizens: 328.100.000 Deaths: 177.100 hospitalized: 526.844 As you can see, no matter in which way you look at the figures and no matter which figures are important for you, Europe simply looks better. But apart from the facts it simply doesn`t make sense to ignore the people without symptoms. Yes, it is very tempting to ignore all these cases,cause they don`t seem to be a problem. But the thing is that even if you do not show any symptoms, you are visiting your parents or grand parents, they get infected and they do show symptoms, need hospitalization or even die. If all people would think like that then the number of cases who need hospitalization will increase again very quickly. So far i can`t think of any human and fair solution to get the old,frail and endangered people out of the danger zone without "disturbing" the healthy ones. Just keep in mind that the curve in Europe also flattened some time ago and now is going up again. Number of hospitalized people goes up only very slowly,but it does. The above mentioned might be one explanation for that. And even in Florida the number of hospitalized people due to covid-19 in creased from yesterday to today. For the record. Pull NY, NJ out of the picture and USA is , well. No different, if not better. I am not accusing NY or NJ. Except NY March 25, 2020 introduced a rule which killed thousands. The Elderly of NY became the victims. So if you want numbers, well Google them. Please. On a lighter note. Given the China/Corona/Covid worldwide convo. You fly to a location. You go to the port. You find out you now are testing positive. You and your travel mates are refused boarding. Oh, now you do what? Get on a plane to head home while sick? Head to a hotel while sick? Hmmm,, Oh yea. It is time to rethink, maybe the governments we want to see get a plan and we follow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsfamily Posted August 30, 2020 #104 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) On 8/27/2020 at 7:39 PM, beerman2 said: ????????? Wt? Please start another thread... Wt -What the without the F.... for the posters that cannot stay on what the thread is about Edited August 30, 2020 by bobsfamily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted August 30, 2020 #105 Share Posted August 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, bobsfamily said: Wt? Please start another thread... Wt -What the without the F.... for the posters that cannot stay on what the thread is about The ???? was who were you referring to (start another thread). I know the meaning of WT(F). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsfamily Posted August 30, 2020 #106 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, beerman2 said: The ???? was who were you referring to (start another thread). I know the meaning of WT(F). So many people off topic.... nothing to do with the thread. And here I am doing the same Edited August 30, 2020 by bobsfamily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseMH Posted August 30, 2020 #107 Share Posted August 30, 2020 10 hours ago, sunbrookgal said: For the record. Pull NY, NJ out of the picture and USA is , well. No different, if not better. I am not accusing NY or NJ. Except NY March 25, 2020 introduced a rule which killed thousands. The Elderly of NY became the victims. So if you want numbers, well Google them. Please. On a lighter note. Given the China/Corona/Covid worldwide convo. You fly to a location. You go to the port. You find out you now are testing positive. You and your travel mates are refused boarding. Oh, now you do what? Get on a plane to head home while sick? Head to a hotel while sick? Hmmm,, Oh yea. It is time to rethink, maybe the governments we want to see get a plan and we follow. This discussion could go on forever,but it will be useless if people try to bend the statistics it into the shape it fits them(e.g. put NYC out of the picture). So i will stop it here to avoid any further off-topic postings. I will stay on-topic in this thread for the future. Sorry to all for being so often off-topic in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted August 30, 2020 #108 Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 hours ago, bobsfamily said: So many people off topic.... nothing to do with the thread. And here I am doing the same "In 10 days what will it be" is pretty generic, tomorrow will be different than today, the next days could put us back a week or so. Many threads go astray it's the way with posters. As long as this "virus" is with us , whether one believes it or not, the debate/opinions aren't going to go away or change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted August 30, 2020 #109 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Referring back to the original post and today being day 10; after all the discussion and recent developments does anybody have a better estimate of what today’s NCL announcement will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_sobe Posted August 30, 2020 #110 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmersfight Posted August 30, 2020 #111 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, CruiseMH said: So i will stop it here to avoid any further off-topic postings. I will stay on-topic in this thread for the future. Sorry to all for being so often off-topic in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drvmywifecrzy Posted August 30, 2020 Author #112 Share Posted August 30, 2020 There is a pretty good chance they announce November cruises are slated to begin with limited capacity and social distancing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted August 30, 2020 #113 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I’m thinking they’ll cancel everything until early January; write off the Christmas and New Year’s period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ColeThornton Posted August 30, 2020 #114 Share Posted August 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, drvmywifecrzy said: There is a pretty good chance they announce November cruises are slated to begin with limited capacity and social distancing. That's only a couple of months away. I don't see that happening. The Covid situation won't change that much in such a short time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourfamilylovescruising Posted August 30, 2020 #115 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I want to go on a cruise, so my fingers are crossed. I have been working at school since all of this started and we have been good. washy washy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseMH Posted August 30, 2020 #116 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, drvmywifecrzy said: There is a pretty good chance they announce November cruises are slated to begin with limited capacity and social distancing. It depends on the CDC. The cruise lines had enough time to prepare and develop a concept that convinces CDC. So far the cruises offered in Italy and Germany are working fine and no cases so far. From September on there will be negative test-results needed to be allowed to board the ships of TUI cruises ,but there are given periods and medical centers where you can do the test(which is included in the price). If this concept works in germany it should for sure work in the US as well. Maybe the US-cruise lines will wait a few weeks to see if this really works well.If it does i don`t see any reason why not to try it. So i think the next announcement of NCL will be cancellation of the cruises until end of November,but then there might be a chance that some time they announce the first cruises in December. I don`t think they will operate the regular cruises as per the original plan. But some cruises with a lot of sea days and stopps on their private islands should be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavetoabunny Posted August 30, 2020 #117 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Ever the optimist, I am still holding out hope for my December 19th cruise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted August 30, 2020 #118 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I mean, they announced early if you ask me. The push of 60 day final payments was identical to last months announcement, just missing the cancelled cruise part. I suppose there could be another announcement, but I think (and this is just an opinion, which I know we all have) that NCL, and other lines, would love to try some "test" cruises in November. We will all see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman11 Posted August 30, 2020 #119 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) so now a," how does november look? " thread is needed Edited August 30, 2020 by seaman11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmersfight Posted August 30, 2020 #120 Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, seaman11 said: so now a," how does november look? " thread is needed 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted August 30, 2020 #121 Share Posted August 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, seaman11 said: so now a," how does november look? " thread is needed Basically every post in here no matter how much it is tried to be positive gets spun into a doom and gloom we will never sail again and are going bankrupt in the next few months (And I can say "we" as I have over 1000 shares of NCL). Just randomly pick any thread and you will get plenty of how people feel November looks. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Dave Posted August 30, 2020 #122 Share Posted August 30, 2020 NCL Welcomes Rapid Test 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atanac Posted August 30, 2020 #123 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Has everyone forgotten the CDC's No Sail order until September 30th? The cruise lines can come up with a multitude of ideas to "test" some initial cruises but the CDC holds all the cards. Florida is still a hotbed of virus activity so until that state isn't making headlines for outbreaks my bet is that the CDC will be overly conscious before allowing cruising in or out of any U.S. port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman11 Posted August 30, 2020 #124 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, atanac said: Has everyone forgotten the CDC's No Sail order until September 30th? The cruise lines can come up with a multitude of ideas to "test" some initial cruises but the CDC holds all the cards. Florida is still a hotbed of virus activity so until that state isn't making headlines for outbreaks my bet is that the CDC will be overly conscious before allowing cruising in or out of any U.S. port. yes we all know that . i think ppl are talking about oct-december . but now seems oct is out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted August 30, 2020 #125 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, atanac said: Has everyone forgotten the CDC's No Sail order until September 30th? The cruise lines can come up with a multitude of ideas to "test" some initial cruises but the CDC holds all the cards. Florida is still a hotbed of virus activity so until that state isn't making headlines for outbreaks my bet is that the CDC will be overly conscious before allowing cruising in or out of any U.S. port. Caution is the watch-word. Cruise lines can look for quick tests, cleaning, masks, distancing, etc.... as preventative measures. I think the biggest unanswered questions are: what will they do if there is a substantial outbreak onboard? Where will the ship go, will there be evacuations and to what facilities, who can absorb all of this and why??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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